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49. Glad you mentioned Dubya. If you dig, you will find that when he was a baby

Fri Dec 13, 2013, 09:48 AM

Dec 2013

he was neglected by his mother. The sister had died, and Barbara was unavailable. Not that she had much to offer in the first place I suspect.
Neglect does not always look obvious. But for humans under the age of three evidence is clear that if needs are not met, hardwiring for empathy does not happen. I believe we have many people walking around with a big piece missing.
The argument that SOME children are neglected and turn out "Fine" does not prove anything. Every child is different. Some need less and some need quite a lot of empathic care and no one can predict, unless they truly know that individual child.
Custodial care is not sufficient for most under three. It can result in permanent brain damage which includes attachment disorders and sociopathy in the worst cases.

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That's very true, I give you that. Bonobo Dec 2013 #40

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I wouldn't put the animal thing in with the others. Deep13 Dec 2013 #23

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That is a very broad brush. Skidmore Dec 2013 #39

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I think that can be true. LisaLynne Dec 2013 #41

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K&R! And many of these same people are happily uninformed Enthusiast Dec 2013 #47

Glad you mentioned Dubya. If you dig, you will find that when he was a baby vanlassie Dec 2013 #49

That's sad. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #65

People as things el_bryanto Dec 2013 #48

Not completely treestar Dec 2013 #57

I agree, actually. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #58

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Have not read that one. Learned a lot from vanlassie Dec 2013 #70

Those look good too. I read Miller's Drama of the Gifted Child... polichick Dec 2013 #73

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Now I'm going to have to look that up. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #72

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