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pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
296. The NIH solicits peer reviews before they offer grants.
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 04:53 PM
Dec 2013

You can look Dr. Standish up yourself if you're so curious. I know if I just cited a couple studies you'd find something to complain about, and I'm not going to search out every study this long-term professor has ever worked on.

k&r! nt eqfan592 Dec 2013 #1
k&r idwiyo Dec 2013 #2
Yup, turf wars still. TM99 Dec 2013 #3
thank you. I'll add that in Massachusetts, only licensed veterinarians magical thyme Dec 2013 #11
There is no such word as allopathic MattBaggins Dec 2013 #133
Webster's disagrees with you riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #153
It was a made up term MattBaggins Dec 2013 #158
Lol! riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #167
LoL all you wantthere is no such thing as allopathy MattBaggins Dec 2013 #214
And where do "real" words H2O Man Dec 2013 #242
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #333
thank you so much for sharing your story. niyad Dec 2013 #12
"When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #39
There is no such word as allopathic MattBaggins Dec 2013 #131
From dictionary.com pnwmom Dec 2013 #159
It's a type of beer?? India Pale Ale?? madinmaryland Dec 2013 #203
That's your reasoned argument? TM99 Dec 2013 #245
i live in arizona and have been DesertFlower Dec 2013 #210
US hospitals don't follow evidence based-practices for birthing mothers, either. intersectionality Dec 2013 #4
US birth mortality also result of bad nutrition & lack of pre-natal medical care. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2013 #10
Commercial/corporate based health care is killing people just as fast, loudsue Dec 2013 #5
Science is not based on "nature", it's based on a method. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #23
Last I checked, Nature does a pretty good job, too. loudsue Dec 2013 #63
While I see your point, it seems to be too ambiguous an application cleanhippie Dec 2013 #72
Nature does a pretty good job at what? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #87
Curing, healing. Often better than chemicals and surgery. reformist2 Dec 2013 #183
That makes no sense, you do realize that life itself is just chemistry... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #185
Um, not really. Most drugs are synthesized in labs to block biological processes & destroy things. reformist2 Dec 2013 #188
Is there evidence of your first assertion? In addition, define "naturopathyl", also... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #192
This message was self-deleted by its author Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #199
Unless you have evidence to support your assertion, it's complete nonsense. nt eqfan592 Dec 2013 #200
Any industry that asks to be "self regulated" should get twice the regulations phantom power Dec 2013 #6
Exactly what the companies who produce gmo's do, they self regulate.... Tumbulu Dec 2013 #128
So how did that "real" science of thalidomide and premarin work out? KittyWampus Dec 2013 #7
The science behind it was inadequate, and the drug approval procedures were tightened bhikkhu Dec 2013 #19
Thank you phil89 Dec 2013 #20
More to the point with thalidomide, SheilaT Dec 2013 #27
You forgot the H-bomb, and fire... and lawn darts cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #30
Thalidomide never was approved by the FDA. So the science worked. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #56
Well, the use of thalidomide was not approved in the US. MineralMan Dec 2013 #319
YEP. politichew Dec 2013 #8
Yup. N.D. == Not a Doctor longship Dec 2013 #9
I don't like 'woo'... TM99 Dec 2013 #14
Naturopathy IS error, which is why it deserves the "woo" label. nt longship Dec 2013 #16
Again with the bullshit. TM99 Dec 2013 #17
Fallacious argument Scootaloo Dec 2013 #21
Not fallacious in the least. TM99 Dec 2013 #22
That website is a load of tosh MattBaggins Dec 2013 #138
Just because a website you don't respect quotes research Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #205
The figures in that report for iatrogenic deaths are hogwash MattBaggins Dec 2013 #221
It would be a lot more productive for you to actually take the time Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #229
No those numbers have been posted on DU multiple times MattBaggins Dec 2013 #231
Not good enough. Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #233
I did enough for you MattBaggins Dec 2013 #236
Taking just one number - Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #241
Medical error accounts for the 3rd highest number of deaths in the US? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #44
So do you believe TM99 Dec 2013 #46
You don't back up your assertions with links. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #70
Here's a link Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #207
I provided links TM99 Dec 2013 #247
No one cares about your distractions MattBaggins Dec 2013 #137
No one cares about your assholish opinions. TM99 Dec 2013 #246
Accupuncture has exactly zero LEGITIMATE reasearch MattBaggins Dec 2013 #275
Your willful ignorance is as bad as TM99 Dec 2013 #276
NCAM is a joke MattBaggins Dec 2013 #292
Yes, exactly like a Fundamentalist Christian. TM99 Dec 2013 #307
I believe the woosters are like the fundies MattBaggins Dec 2013 #309
The only one full of crap TM99 Dec 2013 #311
lol MattBaggins Dec 2013 #312
Plus one. zappaman Dec 2013 #313
You realize that "3rd highest number of deaths" number has been completely debunked, right? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #201
It would seem that you are saying that naturopathy is evidence-based medicine. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #26
Evidence INFORMED Medicine is not always the answer TM99 Dec 2013 #36
While there are problems with the practical application of EBM cleanhippie Dec 2013 #38
Again, TM99 Dec 2013 #40
"Is it because it will challenge financial monopolies?" Rex Dec 2013 #52
Why the fuck are you lumping in things that actually work(nutrition and lifestyle management)... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #90
No shit etherealtruth Dec 2013 #177
Pretty much, even more aggravating when they use terms they don't know the meaning of... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #187
Oh believe me I have had the same conversation etherealtruth Dec 2013 #219
Oh for pity sake, TM99 Dec 2013 #243
The issue is one of credibility, homeopathy doesn't work, not in the sense... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #251
They have not been studied empirically MattBaggins Dec 2013 #139
So nutrition and lifestyle management have not been studied empirically? TM99 Dec 2013 #244
I agree Locrian Dec 2013 #33
Wow, never seen a post that lacked...pretty much all knowledge of science or how it operates. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #91
You must've missed temporary311 Dec 2013 #95
Oh damn, I remember those, people can just be nuts. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #96
a dogmatist Locrian Dec 2013 #112
Science is a process designed to reduce and try to eliminate the things you criticize it for.... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #117
Science does deal with complexities of the real world MattBaggins Dec 2013 #140
Baloney MattBaggins Dec 2013 #135
I have the equine equivalent of tri-athalon athletes and we use all that "woo" riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #13
This group ignores any evidence that they cannot understand Tumbulu Dec 2013 #132
What complete bullshit. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #204
An unwillingness to observe Tumbulu Dec 2013 #270
Given that you are describing almost exactly what science does.... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #280
I am describing what the scientific discipline requires of us Tumbulu Dec 2013 #289
Do you have an example? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #293
Just look at how the squad jumps all over anyone Tumbulu Dec 2013 #314
You're talking about people relaying anecdotes, and anecdotes are not data. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #315
No, we are not talking about anecdotes here Tumbulu Dec 2013 #317
I have to admit I'm flabbergasted at the knee-jerk reactions here riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #322
If homeopathy works, its Nobel Prize winning, it would literally upend the entire scientific world.. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #332
Me too Tumbulu Dec 2013 #358
You need new vets MattBaggins Dec 2013 #141
See, proof right here Tumbulu Dec 2013 #269
Naturopath doctors are just like chiropractors: both are deeply steeped in woo. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #15
They're both faith-based healers seattledo Dec 2013 #31
Oh geez. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #43
That's the type of chiro Dorian Gray Dec 2013 #273
chiropractic is not "woo" Scout Dec 2013 #118
Really, so vitalism is a real thing? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #120
don't know what you're talking about "vitalism"... Scout Dec 2013 #123
Chiropractic is based on the unproven hypothesis of "vitalism" from the 19th century.... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #126
"very expensive physical therapists for the spine, but less trained and more dangerous" Scout Dec 2013 #285
Chiropractic is a pseudo-science. The argument that "adjustment" can prevent disease... Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #127
See, unwilling to observe evidence Tumbulu Dec 2013 #360
What evidence? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #366
sorry, you do not seem to be reading the posts here. Tumbulu Dec 2013 #371
Testimonials don't mean anything without it being repeatable and testable... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #373
Oh get a grip, you are being particularly silly nt Tumbulu Dec 2013 #376
do x-rays count? Scout Dec 2013 #382
Has nothing to do with your word, it has to do with it being repeated and being... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #389
Also, I just wanted to point out that manipulation of the spine, by ANYONE... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #395
Ha. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #122
brilliant, well documented response! Scout Dec 2013 #124
Other posters here in this very thread have pointed that out. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #142
how are taking and reading x-rays, woo? Scout Dec 2013 #284
With regard to naturopathic doctors, the National Institutes of Health, pnwmom Dec 2013 #254
Good for them. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #255
Considering how much of 'scientific' medicine is poison, I say give the naturopaths a chance. reformist2 Dec 2013 #18
Considering how much scientific and evidence based medicine cures intaglio Dec 2013 #73
As far as I'm concerned, most modern medicine is still quackery. reformist2 Dec 2013 #181
Totally. Heart transplants, prosthetics, total quackery. TransitJohn Dec 2013 #184
Those are extreme cases, not by any means the end result of most doctor visits. reformist2 Dec 2013 #191
Simplistic view? I took your simplistic statement at face value. TransitJohn Dec 2013 #209
Ahh, the good old days. When smallpox killed millions, polio killed hundreds of thousands... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #189
Clearly an opinion grounded entirely in reality. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #206
Have you looked up what some herbal supplements do to the human body? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #94
How about if we give the crazy homeless guy a chance? MattBaggins Dec 2013 #144
You do know that supplements you buy at health stores is very expensive pee, right? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #145
Just about everything is "poison" if enough of it is consumed. That's not a good argument. nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #282
+1... SidDithers Dec 2013 #283
There is a difference . . FairWinds Dec 2013 #24
Naturopathy is science, and evidence based, medicine riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #25
About those non-pharmaceutical remedies.... cleanhippie Dec 2013 #28
and why would that be? 2naSalit Dec 2013 #98
There ARE studies. They just showed that they didnt work as advertised. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #160
As with many approved drugs on in the market. nt kelliekat44 Dec 2013 #308
Is there a point you were trying to make? cleanhippie Dec 2013 #381
Naturopathic doctors are taught, and promote homeopathy... SidDithers Dec 2013 #32
At least homeopathic medicines do no harm FarCenter Dec 2013 #47
Yup. The only benefit of homeopathic "medicine" is that it won't directly kill you... SidDithers Dec 2013 #49
Actually it depends, some of the places that make "homeopathic pills"... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #93
There was also the Zicam case a few years ago... SidDithers Dec 2013 #107
Isn't that the one that causes anosmia? Losing your sense of smell... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #108
Yup, that was the one... SidDithers Dec 2013 #111
I, and many, lost the sense of smell from Flonase u4ic Dec 2013 #129
Its a rare side affect, at least you were informed of it before hand... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #134
No I wasn't informed u4ic Dec 2013 #136
It appears it is rare(about .3%), and indeed, Flonase is used to restore sense of smell for some... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #143
So do some veterinary schools. Are they quacks too? riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #100
Yeah, linaments and herbal teas aren't homeopathy...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #101
And homeopathy as well as other "alternative" medicines. nt riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #165
I'm starting to think you really don't know what homeopathy is... SidDithers Dec 2013 #195
Gosh thanks! 25+ years of using arnica and other homeopathic remedies riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #260
What's the dilution on the arnica you use?... SidDithers Dec 2013 #261
Don't know at the moment. I'm about to go to bed riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #265
I'm sure they mean well. eShirl Dec 2013 #106
As repeated before, the horses can't lie. It either works or not. riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #169
Are they quacks? You betcha MattBaggins Dec 2013 #146
Sorry but the horses can't lie. They either get restored functionality or not from the remedies riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #166
Of course they are MattBaggins Dec 2013 #218
Either the animal is restored to functionality or it isn't. riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #259
Do you know what homeopathic remedies actually are? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #175
Yes. Arnica and other homeopathic remedies are regularly used riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #178
You seem to be confusing herbalism with homeopathy... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #180
Arnica (for example) has always been a homeopathic remedy riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #262
Any Arnica homeopathic preparations contain none of the plant in them... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #271
Animals cannot manufacture a placebo effect. riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #281
Don't move the goalposts, and don't lump in other, unrelated treatments with homeopathy... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #291
I haven't moved the goalposts. Did you just gloss over my comment about using arnica gel? riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #316
I have a question for you, HOW does the arnica gel work? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #318
I don't know and don't care. I (and my vets) just know it works riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #320
Well you can be sure that 1M Homeopathic Arnica won't be detected during testing... SidDithers Dec 2013 #321
Arnica is not a banned substance in competition nt riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #323
Wouldn't matter... SidDithers Dec 2013 #324
Just went out to the barn to check - its Arnica Montana riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #325
I asked about the dilution... SidDithers Dec 2013 #327
It's interesting, that there's no placebo effect with animals. BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #329
I don't know why you are celebrating, this poster is being dishonest at the very least... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #331
I like hearing positive testimonials about the success of using homeopathy. BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #335
That poster isn't using homeopathy, but a plant based gel that has an anti-inflammatory affect... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #337
Um, okay BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #338
Its about honestly, I would think it matters, this isn't a matter of opinion... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #340
Really, get a grip Tumbulu Dec 2013 #361
Arnica ISN'T PRESENT in homeopathic preparations... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #365
agains you scream out your fundamentalism Tumbulu Dec 2013 #370
Describe to me how it can be present in a solution at 30C, or 1 part per 10^60 of water... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #372
It does not matter Tumbulu Dec 2013 #375
Don't you want to know how it works, so you can better understand it? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #379
Not knowing how it works does not stop me from Tumbulu Dec 2013 #401
So basically, to you, confirmation bias is enough. See, I would want to know. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #403
Honestly, you cannot observe something Tumbulu Dec 2013 #416
Is it arnica or a placebo(homeopathic "preparation", whatever), there is a difference... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #421
Look what I found, a mechanism for Arnica Montana to work on horses! Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #336
The tablets say 30c.The gel has no indication. I've already said it works riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #341
So the pill contains nothing in it, the gel most likely does, and you claim I am ignorant... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #342
Animals can't make up a placebo effect nt riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #346
You keep repeating this, and while its true, its also irrelevent... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #347
Prayer? (I'm an atheist). Some "woo"vibe in my barn riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #350
Willow bark contain Salicin, which metabolizes into salycyclic acid in the body... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #351
Just did the math, the Arnica, in order to be diluted to 30C, had to be dissolved in a body of... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #353
Gosh then I'll have to SOMEHOW communicate to these horses they've been duped riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #352
I don't see how you failing Middle School Chemistry is amusing. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #354
So now it is down to personal insults Tumbulu Dec 2013 #362
As of right now, no one in this thread has described a way for homeopathy to work... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #364
No, you have decided that it is magic Tumbulu Dec 2013 #369
LOL BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #357
It's amusing how annoyed they become BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #343
Do you really think water contains a memory of things dissolved in it in the past? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #345
Perfect analogy... SidDithers Dec 2013 #356
it has nothing to do with belief Tumbulu Dec 2013 #363
Yup. The chiropractor vet is from Cornell riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #348
Thanks for your posts BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #349
30C means there's no arnica in the tablets... SidDithers Dec 2013 #355
"I don't know and don't care." This sums it up, faith based treatments, you just... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #330
I'm beginning to think they're serious... SidDithers Dec 2013 #263
Good grief, have you never been to a horse barn Tumbulu Dec 2013 #374
Organic /= homeopathic... SidDithers Dec 2013 #380
Are you trying to be funny? Tumbulu Dec 2013 #383
Ridiculous... SidDithers Dec 2013 #385
If you think posting ridiculous comments Tumbulu Dec 2013 #391
I asked that homeopathy be tested clinically, you labeled that ridiculous.... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #393
Yes, you are clearly a fundamentalist Tumbulu Dec 2013 #419
Water doesn't have memory... SidDithers Dec 2013 #394
Deal with the fact that your provincial Tumbulu Dec 2013 #418
I have a question, you have a million gallon tank of water, at homeopathic dilutions... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #402
Who cares, if it helps, SO WHAT? nt Tumbulu Dec 2013 #417
You have yet to prove it works. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #420
See, here you are Tumbulu Dec 2013 #359
Cost and Outcomes really should be considered here NoOneMan Dec 2013 #29
Placebo should never be part of a patient treatment plan... SidDithers Dec 2013 #35
Many pharmaceuticals and even some surgeries work no better than placebos NoOneMan Dec 2013 #37
Evidence? nt eqfan592 Dec 2013 #216
Watch this NoOneMan Dec 2013 #226
Sorry, can't watch a video right now. got a link to the study/studies that support your assertion?nt eqfan592 Dec 2013 #230
Yes NoOneMan Dec 2013 #238
I've been told that patients who insisted on getting a shot were given saline solution FarCenter Dec 2013 #51
Are you sure about that? Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2013 #76
From a recent podcast I heard on the subject, involving a doctor... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #215
"knowing full well that the treatment will have no real effect" NoOneMan Dec 2013 #239
I have a bigfoot "scarecrow" in my back yard. zappaman Dec 2013 #34
Sorry to disappoint you, but I've been killing and selling bigfoot pelts. Rex Dec 2013 #41
I have trained my pugs to keep away elephants hueymahl Dec 2013 #79
Just pugs? zappaman Dec 2013 #84
lol, nice one. Vattel Dec 2013 #186
The Woo is no worse than the drugs pedaled on TV that result in a class action lawsuit. Rex Dec 2013 #42
Yes! Stop naturopaths from giving out Thalidomide, Lariam, Oxycontin, Vicodin, ..... WinkyDink Dec 2013 #45
crazy canucks! Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #48
Your concern is duly noted. And several decades out-dated. pnwmom Dec 2013 #50
Yes, thank you! TM99 Dec 2013 #53
But it is 'woo' and you should be scared! Rex Dec 2013 #54
I'll bite... zappaman Dec 2013 #88
Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt MattBaggins Dec 2013 #148
Ahhhhhh thanks for the info! n/t zappaman Dec 2013 #170
What he said. Rex Dec 2013 #297
Yep, tried and true method for selling snake oil! Rex Dec 2013 #298
Bastyr offers more than a dozen courses in Homeopathy... SidDithers Dec 2013 #55
You probably don't believe in M.D. allergists, either, pnwmom Dec 2013 #61
Which is almost, but not quite, completely different from Homeopathy... SidDithers Dec 2013 #66
No, thanks. Once you make up your mind on something, pnwmom Dec 2013 #75
You have no evidence... none MattBaggins Dec 2013 #149
There are conflicting studies, as there are for many medical treatments. pnwmom Dec 2013 #156
In EVERY thread that EVER comes up on this topic, you ALWAYS claim the same thing. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #161
I did, repeatedly, right in this thread. pnwmom Dec 2013 #163
That appears to be an in-progress study. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #164
I don't know what would be acceptable to you, pnwmom Dec 2013 #171
That is one study for one specific reason. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #278
Here is an example of a faculty member with several completed studies pnwmom Dec 2013 #286
Great. Where are the actual studies with the results? cleanhippie Dec 2013 #290
The NIH solicits peer reviews before they offer grants. pnwmom Dec 2013 #296
So you cannot produce a single peer-reviewed study showing the efficacy of a naturopathic remedy cleanhippie Dec 2013 #300
Here you go: pnwmom Dec 2013 #301
While interesting, that's hardly conclusive. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #303
No, I'm not. I'm saying that you have to be careful about pnwmom Dec 2013 #305
homeopathic products KT2000 Dec 2013 #97
molecules, you mean? eShirl Dec 2013 #110
You just posted complete rubbish MattBaggins Dec 2013 #150
100% hogwash. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #162
You failed High School Science classes, didn't you? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #344
Yeah, but they have the gov't seal of approval... polichick Dec 2013 #71
I don't think your analogy holds up. Captain Stern Dec 2013 #397
Bastyr is a joke MattBaggins Dec 2013 #147
The researchers at University of Washington, Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, pnwmom Dec 2013 #157
+1 BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #168
'Scarce health-care dollars should be spent on science-based medicine, not the collection of woo Faux pas Dec 2013 #57
No, I posted in the thread that anything from Collective Evolution is shite... SidDithers Dec 2013 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers Dec 2013 #59
Yes, conveniently ignoring the fact that the actual work came out of Harvard. pnwmom Dec 2013 #62
... Faux pas Dec 2013 #64
Nothing about Collective Evolution?... SidDithers Dec 2013 #65
From Orac last year: The problem with homeopathy, according to naturopaths SidDithers Dec 2013 #60
God-forbid people stop shoveling cash to big pharma!! polichick Dec 2013 #67
Sure. Shovel it to the muti-billion dollar, unregulated supplement industry instead!...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #68
No thanks. I buy my herbs direct from the growers. polichick Dec 2013 #69
Nice, useless, flame-bait thread. Typical of your product. n/t ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #74
Maybe he's a big pharma rep. polichick Dec 2013 #77
... SidDithers Dec 2013 #78
You sure are threatened by alternative health choices. polichick Dec 2013 #82
No, not at all... SidDithers Dec 2013 #85
Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #86
So it's the 'competition' you don't like. CanSocDem Dec 2013 #105
It's absolutely about competition for public funds... SidDithers Dec 2013 #109
You don't 'compete' for public funds... CanSocDem Dec 2013 #115
Directions in public health are not determined by popular vote... SidDithers Dec 2013 #116
Public funds go where, now...??? CanSocDem Dec 2013 #130
Apparently the earlier attempt to start a flame war was met with little interest. n/t ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #89
Just another flame-bait thread, brought to you by the same folks loudsue Dec 2013 #80
Third possibilty MattBaggins Dec 2013 #151
+1 Matariki Dec 2013 #249
Fuck woo. sagat Dec 2013 #81
+1... SidDithers Dec 2013 #83
Yep. greytdemocrat Dec 2013 #211
+1 idwiyo Dec 2013 #102
vaht? vas you shaying shumthing, about woo peddling fools, to meee? dionysus Dec 2013 #92
Heheh... SidDithers Dec 2013 #99
When I get really sick PasadenaTrudy Dec 2013 #103
A friend of mine PasadenaTrudy Dec 2013 #104
UTIs can be scary... SidDithers Dec 2013 #113
Gee, when I've had UTI's BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #114
I'm guessing PasadenaTrudy Dec 2013 #119
You didn't mention that, did you? BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #154
"To each his own." See, this is why ancedotal evidence is useless... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #121
I didn't say cranberry juice BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #155
"and the cranberry took care of it." You have no evidence for this. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #172
My evidence is that my UTI's went away BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #173
"YMMV" Again, thinking anecdotes equals data. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #174
To each his own BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #176
It actually does. Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #222
OK, sorry, perhaps I should say that one data point isn't enough to draw conclusions from... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #232
On that we agree. n/t Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #234
You didn't have an infection, then REP Dec 2013 #224
You mean we're not supposed to go on Web MD and self-diagnose? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #228
I do a little bit of self-diagnosis... REP Dec 2013 #268
Thank you! n/t PasadenaTrudy Dec 2013 #279
Well, good for you! BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #288
bladder infection, 4 weeks of antibiotics did not clear it up Scout Dec 2013 #295
Did they do a culture? REP Dec 2013 #302
i honestly do not remember if they did a culture Scout Dec 2013 #304
... lol ... Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #125
My brother is an MD board-certified in Occupational Medicine Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2013 #152
It seems like self-regulation doesn't work in any industry or profession. Cleita Dec 2013 #179
So what about marijuana? A natural medicine? panader0 Dec 2013 #182
You know what they call natural medicines... SidDithers Dec 2013 #197
Ok. So pot is therefore medicine by tautology that grows naturally. Sounds like natural medicine NoOneMan Dec 2013 #240
This thread is very interesting and informative Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #190
Actually, I'm battling ignorance in general, for example, you found herbs... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #194
Seems to me you are nit-picking Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #198
Antibiotics aren't designed to relieve symptoms, sorry if I was unclear... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #202
Sounds like you are a doctor. Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #212
I'm not a doctor, nor do I pretend to be one, more like a concerned citizen... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #217
OK Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #227
Not all bronchitis Dorian Gray Dec 2013 #274
Black coffee is a good bronchodilator REP Dec 2013 #310
Meh. My Naturopath IS a Medical Doctor Matariki Dec 2013 #193
Really now? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #223
You are laughably uninformed Matariki Dec 2013 #248
Uninformed? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #250
Yes you are. Matariki Dec 2013 #252
You cannot have Naturopathy without homeopathy. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #253
You left out this part: "but not every naturopathic physician will use it pnwmom Dec 2013 #256
"that have not been scientifically shown to work" Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #264
Spinal fusion for chronic lower back pain has not been proven effective, pnwmom Dec 2013 #266
The first link Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #267
Bacteria are only getting resistant to ANTIBIOTICS because of the overuse of pnwmom Dec 2013 #272
"Tossing about the term 'woo' is intellectually lazy." kentauros Dec 2013 #258
and they are not only lazy, but very scared Tumbulu Dec 2013 #368
I've known for many years kentauros Dec 2013 #378
So sadly true Tumbulu Dec 2013 #384
And I have enjoyed what you've written, too. kentauros Dec 2013 #423
Thanks Tumbulu Dec 2013 #424
What do you think of osteopathy? BlueToTheBone Dec 2013 #196
Looks like yet another type of BS peddled on a false belief related to... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #208
DO's DesertFlower Dec 2013 #220
So they are legitimate until you get to OMM or OMT... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #225
when i had spinal manipulation it was for DesertFlower Dec 2013 #235
I went for my lower back BlueToTheBone Dec 2013 #237
an osteopath is a DO. seems the younger DesertFlower Dec 2013 #213
kick Liberal_in_LA Dec 2013 #257
I dunno.. sendero Dec 2013 #277
This is the net result of the insurance industry acting as a wedge between people and medicine. It Erose999 Dec 2013 #287
This is a Canadian story (nt) muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #294
This kind of quackery is a problem here too, in case my post hadn't made it clear to you. Erose999 Dec 2013 #299
Damn, look at the woo in this thread. *shaking my head* n/t X_Digger Dec 2013 #306
Shaking your head at people seeking affection? Whatever for? kentauros Dec 2013 #377
Big Pharma is based on pseudo scientific study, it's a scam perpetuated & patently confirmed! HAH! mother earth Dec 2013 #326
I have a question, why the fuck should we trust the big alternative "medicine" industry? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #334
Naturopathy is based on vitamin therapy, minerals and such, it is not homeopathy. And guess what, mother earth Dec 2013 #386
Reiki is a spiritual practice, akin to faith healing, and I would classify it as "mostly harmless".. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #390
No, HA, these things have benefits, maybe doesn't work for all people, just like medicines and mother earth Dec 2013 #407
Have those hospitals that embraced Reiki gotten rid of the oncology departments? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #400
Alternatives are used in conjunction with traditional modes. Don't be silly. No one is saying mother earth Dec 2013 #408
Naturopathic practitioners in the US can be divided into three categories: mother earth Dec 2013 #387
How the fuck have I been schooled? I'm called the close minded one for asking that things be tested. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #392
I don't know who you are arguing with, I never said FAITH had ANYTHING to do with the methods Ive mother earth Dec 2013 #410
Reiki is faith healing from what I read, so is most other BS "energy" healing shit. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #413
Energy medicine is a new frontier. Reiki really is used in hospitals, in fact, many practictioners mother earth Dec 2013 #415
One more thing, holistic medicine, alternative practitioners are SO sought after that people drive mother earth Dec 2013 #388
People also drive hundreds of miles to see psychics, I don't know why that is used as an argument. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #396
Tell the police departments that use them to find missing children and adults. Let's not go there mother earth Dec 2013 #409
Hey, you want to talk about psychics, why not talk about Sylvia Brown... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #412
It was widely known she was a charlatan, I think Sylvia was entertainment. I told you there mother earth Dec 2013 #414
Wow, just wow, an actor who is paid to peddle bullshit on TV... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #422
I never said I liked it so much, I watched it one or twice, and when I watched it the psychics used mother earth Dec 2013 #425
Met a psychic, I actually was one, for fun, if you can call it that. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #426
You really like to go off topic and take it to new levels, "you people" are so transparent. mother earth Dec 2013 #428
Indeed BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #398
"allopathic" in other words, stuff that ACTUALLY works. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #399
I give credit to both, as both have their place in healing BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #404
So why can't healing be demonstrated for the alternatives you advocate for? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #405
Absolutely, and thankfully that is taking place everyday as we learn that we do not have all mother earth Dec 2013 #411
Sid, have you never heard of integrative medicine being practiced by MD's who have a more forward mother earth Dec 2013 #328
+1 BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #339
I should have recc'd this the first time BootinUp Dec 2013 #367
Oh please!!! darkangel218 Dec 2013 #406
Holy Smokes! thats a lot of replies. I thought this was a pretty straightforward, common fucking... BootinUp Dec 2013 #427
There a huge anti-science contingent that posts at DU... SidDithers Dec 2013 #429
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