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341. The tablets say 30c.The gel has no indication. I've already said it works

Wed Dec 18, 2013, 09:18 PM

Dec 2013

15 tabs every 15 minutes for the first 2 hours. Followed by 15 tabs every hour for 24 hours (yes I have staff that helps with this). After which its every 6 hours as needed.

My my. I almost think you are wanting free medical advice. Tsk. Tsk. Your increasing agitation notwithstanding over the homeopathic dosage I use (which works by the way as per the dosing rx of my vets - yes plural as is common with sport horses I have 5 on call from 5 different vet offices, who are specialists in their area and who all prescribe arnica) the bottom line is that any homeopathic remedy was garbage in your opinion. Now its a question of strength?!

Lol.

I'm done here. You all got nothing. When your beloved dog/cat/bird/hamster - whatever needs relief and you find it with alternative medicine I won't laugh, mock or say I told ya so.

I don't give a shit about laughably ignorant DUers when it comes to those under my care, custody and control. I will do what gives them relief.

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Naturopaths and the creep of pseudo-science [View all] SidDithers Dec 2013 OP

k&r! nt eqfan592 Dec 2013 #1

k&r idwiyo Dec 2013 #2

Yup, turf wars still. TM99 Dec 2013 #3

thank you. I'll add that in Massachusetts, only licensed veterinarians magical thyme Dec 2013 #11

There is no such word as allopathic MattBaggins Dec 2013 #133

Webster's disagrees with you riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #153

It was a made up term MattBaggins Dec 2013 #158

Lol! riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #167

LoL all you wantthere is no such thing as allopathy MattBaggins Dec 2013 #214

And where do "real" words H2O Man Dec 2013 #242

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #333

thank you so much for sharing your story. niyad Dec 2013 #12

"When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #39

There is no such word as allopathic MattBaggins Dec 2013 #131

From dictionary.com pnwmom Dec 2013 #159

It's a type of beer?? India Pale Ale?? madinmaryland Dec 2013 #203

That's your reasoned argument? TM99 Dec 2013 #245

i live in arizona and have been DesertFlower Dec 2013 #210

US hospitals don't follow evidence based-practices for birthing mothers, either. intersectionality Dec 2013 #4

US birth mortality also result of bad nutrition & lack of pre-natal medical care. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2013 #10

Commercial/corporate based health care is killing people just as fast, loudsue Dec 2013 #5

Science is not based on "nature", it's based on a method. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #23

Last I checked, Nature does a pretty good job, too. loudsue Dec 2013 #63

While I see your point, it seems to be too ambiguous an application cleanhippie Dec 2013 #72

Nature does a pretty good job at what? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #87

Curing, healing. Often better than chemicals and surgery. reformist2 Dec 2013 #183

That makes no sense, you do realize that life itself is just chemistry... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #185

Um, not really. Most drugs are synthesized in labs to block biological processes & destroy things. reformist2 Dec 2013 #188

Is there evidence of your first assertion? In addition, define "naturopathyl", also... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #192

This message was self-deleted by its author Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #199

Unless you have evidence to support your assertion, it's complete nonsense. nt eqfan592 Dec 2013 #200

Any industry that asks to be "self regulated" should get twice the regulations phantom power Dec 2013 #6

Exactly what the companies who produce gmo's do, they self regulate.... Tumbulu Dec 2013 #128

So how did that "real" science of thalidomide and premarin work out? KittyWampus Dec 2013 #7

The science behind it was inadequate, and the drug approval procedures were tightened bhikkhu Dec 2013 #19

Thank you phil89 Dec 2013 #20

More to the point with thalidomide, SheilaT Dec 2013 #27

You forgot the H-bomb, and fire... and lawn darts cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #30

Thalidomide never was approved by the FDA. So the science worked. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #56

Well, the use of thalidomide was not approved in the US. MineralMan Dec 2013 #319

YEP. politichew Dec 2013 #8

Yup. N.D. == Not a Doctor longship Dec 2013 #9

I don't like 'woo'... TM99 Dec 2013 #14

Naturopathy IS error, which is why it deserves the "woo" label. nt longship Dec 2013 #16

Again with the bullshit. TM99 Dec 2013 #17

Fallacious argument Scootaloo Dec 2013 #21

Not fallacious in the least. TM99 Dec 2013 #22

That website is a load of tosh MattBaggins Dec 2013 #138

Just because a website you don't respect quotes research Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #205

The figures in that report for iatrogenic deaths are hogwash MattBaggins Dec 2013 #221

It would be a lot more productive for you to actually take the time Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #229

No those numbers have been posted on DU multiple times MattBaggins Dec 2013 #231

Not good enough. Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #233

I did enough for you MattBaggins Dec 2013 #236

Taking just one number - Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #241

Medical error accounts for the 3rd highest number of deaths in the US? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #44

So do you believe TM99 Dec 2013 #46

You don't back up your assertions with links. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #70

Here's a link Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #207

I provided links TM99 Dec 2013 #247

No one cares about your distractions MattBaggins Dec 2013 #137

No one cares about your assholish opinions. TM99 Dec 2013 #246

Accupuncture has exactly zero LEGITIMATE reasearch MattBaggins Dec 2013 #275

Your willful ignorance is as bad as TM99 Dec 2013 #276

NCAM is a joke MattBaggins Dec 2013 #292

Yes, exactly like a Fundamentalist Christian. TM99 Dec 2013 #307

I believe the woosters are like the fundies MattBaggins Dec 2013 #309

The only one full of crap TM99 Dec 2013 #311

lol MattBaggins Dec 2013 #312

Plus one. zappaman Dec 2013 #313

You realize that "3rd highest number of deaths" number has been completely debunked, right? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #201

It would seem that you are saying that naturopathy is evidence-based medicine. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #26

Evidence INFORMED Medicine is not always the answer TM99 Dec 2013 #36

While there are problems with the practical application of EBM cleanhippie Dec 2013 #38

Again, TM99 Dec 2013 #40

"Is it because it will challenge financial monopolies?" Rex Dec 2013 #52

Why the fuck are you lumping in things that actually work(nutrition and lifestyle management)... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #90

No shit etherealtruth Dec 2013 #177

Pretty much, even more aggravating when they use terms they don't know the meaning of... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #187

Oh believe me I have had the same conversation etherealtruth Dec 2013 #219

Oh for pity sake, TM99 Dec 2013 #243

The issue is one of credibility, homeopathy doesn't work, not in the sense... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #251

They have not been studied empirically MattBaggins Dec 2013 #139

So nutrition and lifestyle management have not been studied empirically? TM99 Dec 2013 #244

I agree Locrian Dec 2013 #33

Wow, never seen a post that lacked...pretty much all knowledge of science or how it operates. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #91

You must've missed temporary311 Dec 2013 #95

Oh damn, I remember those, people can just be nuts. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #96

a dogmatist Locrian Dec 2013 #112

Science is a process designed to reduce and try to eliminate the things you criticize it for.... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #117

Science does deal with complexities of the real world MattBaggins Dec 2013 #140

Baloney MattBaggins Dec 2013 #135

I have the equine equivalent of tri-athalon athletes and we use all that "woo" riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #13

This group ignores any evidence that they cannot understand Tumbulu Dec 2013 #132

What complete bullshit. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #204

An unwillingness to observe Tumbulu Dec 2013 #270

Given that you are describing almost exactly what science does.... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #280

I am describing what the scientific discipline requires of us Tumbulu Dec 2013 #289

Do you have an example? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #293

Just look at how the squad jumps all over anyone Tumbulu Dec 2013 #314

You're talking about people relaying anecdotes, and anecdotes are not data. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #315

No, we are not talking about anecdotes here Tumbulu Dec 2013 #317

I have to admit I'm flabbergasted at the knee-jerk reactions here riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #322

If homeopathy works, its Nobel Prize winning, it would literally upend the entire scientific world.. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #332

Me too Tumbulu Dec 2013 #358

You need new vets MattBaggins Dec 2013 #141

See, proof right here Tumbulu Dec 2013 #269

Naturopath doctors are just like chiropractors: both are deeply steeped in woo. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #15

They're both faith-based healers seattledo Dec 2013 #31

Oh geez. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #43

That's the type of chiro Dorian Gray Dec 2013 #273

chiropractic is not "woo" Scout Dec 2013 #118

Really, so vitalism is a real thing? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #120

don't know what you're talking about "vitalism"... Scout Dec 2013 #123

Chiropractic is based on the unproven hypothesis of "vitalism" from the 19th century.... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #126

"very expensive physical therapists for the spine, but less trained and more dangerous" Scout Dec 2013 #285

Chiropractic is a pseudo-science. The argument that "adjustment" can prevent disease... Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #127

See, unwilling to observe evidence Tumbulu Dec 2013 #360

What evidence? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #366

sorry, you do not seem to be reading the posts here. Tumbulu Dec 2013 #371

Testimonials don't mean anything without it being repeatable and testable... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #373

Oh get a grip, you are being particularly silly nt Tumbulu Dec 2013 #376

do x-rays count? Scout Dec 2013 #382

Has nothing to do with your word, it has to do with it being repeated and being... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #389

Also, I just wanted to point out that manipulation of the spine, by ANYONE... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #395

Ha. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #122

brilliant, well documented response! Scout Dec 2013 #124

Other posters here in this very thread have pointed that out. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #142

how are taking and reading x-rays, woo? Scout Dec 2013 #284

With regard to naturopathic doctors, the National Institutes of Health, pnwmom Dec 2013 #254

Good for them. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #255

Considering how much of 'scientific' medicine is poison, I say give the naturopaths a chance. reformist2 Dec 2013 #18

Considering how much scientific and evidence based medicine cures intaglio Dec 2013 #73

As far as I'm concerned, most modern medicine is still quackery. reformist2 Dec 2013 #181

Totally. Heart transplants, prosthetics, total quackery. TransitJohn Dec 2013 #184

Those are extreme cases, not by any means the end result of most doctor visits. reformist2 Dec 2013 #191

Simplistic view? I took your simplistic statement at face value. TransitJohn Dec 2013 #209

Ahh, the good old days. When smallpox killed millions, polio killed hundreds of thousands... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #189

Clearly an opinion grounded entirely in reality. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #206

Have you looked up what some herbal supplements do to the human body? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #94

How about if we give the crazy homeless guy a chance? MattBaggins Dec 2013 #144

You do know that supplements you buy at health stores is very expensive pee, right? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #145

Just about everything is "poison" if enough of it is consumed. That's not a good argument. nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #282

+1... SidDithers Dec 2013 #283

There is a difference . . FairWinds Dec 2013 #24

Naturopathy is science, and evidence based, medicine riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #25

About those non-pharmaceutical remedies.... cleanhippie Dec 2013 #28

and why would that be? 2naSalit Dec 2013 #98

There ARE studies. They just showed that they didnt work as advertised. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #160

As with many approved drugs on in the market. nt kelliekat44 Dec 2013 #308

Is there a point you were trying to make? cleanhippie Dec 2013 #381

Naturopathic doctors are taught, and promote homeopathy... SidDithers Dec 2013 #32

At least homeopathic medicines do no harm FarCenter Dec 2013 #47

Yup. The only benefit of homeopathic "medicine" is that it won't directly kill you... SidDithers Dec 2013 #49

Actually it depends, some of the places that make "homeopathic pills"... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #93

There was also the Zicam case a few years ago... SidDithers Dec 2013 #107

Isn't that the one that causes anosmia? Losing your sense of smell... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #108

Yup, that was the one... SidDithers Dec 2013 #111

I, and many, lost the sense of smell from Flonase u4ic Dec 2013 #129

Its a rare side affect, at least you were informed of it before hand... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #134

No I wasn't informed u4ic Dec 2013 #136

It appears it is rare(about .3%), and indeed, Flonase is used to restore sense of smell for some... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #143

So do some veterinary schools. Are they quacks too? riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #100

Yeah, linaments and herbal teas aren't homeopathy...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #101

And homeopathy as well as other "alternative" medicines. nt riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #165

I'm starting to think you really don't know what homeopathy is... SidDithers Dec 2013 #195

Gosh thanks! 25+ years of using arnica and other homeopathic remedies riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #260

What's the dilution on the arnica you use?... SidDithers Dec 2013 #261

Don't know at the moment. I'm about to go to bed riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #265

I'm sure they mean well. eShirl Dec 2013 #106

As repeated before, the horses can't lie. It either works or not. riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #169

Are they quacks? You betcha MattBaggins Dec 2013 #146

Sorry but the horses can't lie. They either get restored functionality or not from the remedies riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #166

Of course they are MattBaggins Dec 2013 #218

Either the animal is restored to functionality or it isn't. riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #259

Do you know what homeopathic remedies actually are? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #175

Yes. Arnica and other homeopathic remedies are regularly used riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #178

You seem to be confusing herbalism with homeopathy... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #180

Arnica (for example) has always been a homeopathic remedy riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #262

Any Arnica homeopathic preparations contain none of the plant in them... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #271

Animals cannot manufacture a placebo effect. riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #281

Don't move the goalposts, and don't lump in other, unrelated treatments with homeopathy... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #291

I haven't moved the goalposts. Did you just gloss over my comment about using arnica gel? riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #316

I have a question for you, HOW does the arnica gel work? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #318

I don't know and don't care. I (and my vets) just know it works riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #320

Well you can be sure that 1M Homeopathic Arnica won't be detected during testing... SidDithers Dec 2013 #321

Arnica is not a banned substance in competition nt riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #323

Wouldn't matter... SidDithers Dec 2013 #324

Just went out to the barn to check - its Arnica Montana riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #325

I asked about the dilution... SidDithers Dec 2013 #327

It's interesting, that there's no placebo effect with animals. BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #329

I don't know why you are celebrating, this poster is being dishonest at the very least... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #331

I like hearing positive testimonials about the success of using homeopathy. BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #335

That poster isn't using homeopathy, but a plant based gel that has an anti-inflammatory affect... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #337

Um, okay BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #338

Its about honestly, I would think it matters, this isn't a matter of opinion... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #340

Really, get a grip Tumbulu Dec 2013 #361

Arnica ISN'T PRESENT in homeopathic preparations... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #365

agains you scream out your fundamentalism Tumbulu Dec 2013 #370

Describe to me how it can be present in a solution at 30C, or 1 part per 10^60 of water... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #372

It does not matter Tumbulu Dec 2013 #375

Don't you want to know how it works, so you can better understand it? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #379

Not knowing how it works does not stop me from Tumbulu Dec 2013 #401

So basically, to you, confirmation bias is enough. See, I would want to know. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #403

Honestly, you cannot observe something Tumbulu Dec 2013 #416

Is it arnica or a placebo(homeopathic "preparation", whatever), there is a difference... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #421

Look what I found, a mechanism for Arnica Montana to work on horses! Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #336

The tablets say 30c.The gel has no indication. I've already said it works riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #341

So the pill contains nothing in it, the gel most likely does, and you claim I am ignorant... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #342

Animals can't make up a placebo effect nt riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #346

You keep repeating this, and while its true, its also irrelevent... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #347

Prayer? (I'm an atheist). Some "woo"vibe in my barn riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #350

Willow bark contain Salicin, which metabolizes into salycyclic acid in the body... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #351

Just did the math, the Arnica, in order to be diluted to 30C, had to be dissolved in a body of... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #353

Gosh then I'll have to SOMEHOW communicate to these horses they've been duped riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #352

I don't see how you failing Middle School Chemistry is amusing. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #354

So now it is down to personal insults Tumbulu Dec 2013 #362

As of right now, no one in this thread has described a way for homeopathy to work... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #364

No, you have decided that it is magic Tumbulu Dec 2013 #369

LOL BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #357

It's amusing how annoyed they become BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #343

Do you really think water contains a memory of things dissolved in it in the past? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #345

Perfect analogy... SidDithers Dec 2013 #356

it has nothing to do with belief Tumbulu Dec 2013 #363

Yup. The chiropractor vet is from Cornell riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #348

Thanks for your posts BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #349

30C means there's no arnica in the tablets... SidDithers Dec 2013 #355

"I don't know and don't care." This sums it up, faith based treatments, you just... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #330

I'm beginning to think they're serious... SidDithers Dec 2013 #263

Good grief, have you never been to a horse barn Tumbulu Dec 2013 #374

Organic /= homeopathic... SidDithers Dec 2013 #380

Are you trying to be funny? Tumbulu Dec 2013 #383

Ridiculous... SidDithers Dec 2013 #385

If you think posting ridiculous comments Tumbulu Dec 2013 #391

I asked that homeopathy be tested clinically, you labeled that ridiculous.... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #393

Yes, you are clearly a fundamentalist Tumbulu Dec 2013 #419

Water doesn't have memory... SidDithers Dec 2013 #394

Deal with the fact that your provincial Tumbulu Dec 2013 #418

I have a question, you have a million gallon tank of water, at homeopathic dilutions... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #402

Who cares, if it helps, SO WHAT? nt Tumbulu Dec 2013 #417

You have yet to prove it works. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #420

See, here you are Tumbulu Dec 2013 #359

Cost and Outcomes really should be considered here NoOneMan Dec 2013 #29

Placebo should never be part of a patient treatment plan... SidDithers Dec 2013 #35

Many pharmaceuticals and even some surgeries work no better than placebos NoOneMan Dec 2013 #37

Evidence? nt eqfan592 Dec 2013 #216

Watch this NoOneMan Dec 2013 #226

Sorry, can't watch a video right now. got a link to the study/studies that support your assertion?nt eqfan592 Dec 2013 #230

Yes NoOneMan Dec 2013 #238

I've been told that patients who insisted on getting a shot were given saline solution FarCenter Dec 2013 #51

Are you sure about that? Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2013 #76

From a recent podcast I heard on the subject, involving a doctor... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #215

"knowing full well that the treatment will have no real effect" NoOneMan Dec 2013 #239

I have a bigfoot "scarecrow" in my back yard. zappaman Dec 2013 #34

Sorry to disappoint you, but I've been killing and selling bigfoot pelts. Rex Dec 2013 #41

I have trained my pugs to keep away elephants hueymahl Dec 2013 #79

Just pugs? zappaman Dec 2013 #84

lol, nice one. Vattel Dec 2013 #186

The Woo is no worse than the drugs pedaled on TV that result in a class action lawsuit. Rex Dec 2013 #42

Yes! Stop naturopaths from giving out Thalidomide, Lariam, Oxycontin, Vicodin, ..... WinkyDink Dec 2013 #45

crazy canucks! Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #48

Your concern is duly noted. And several decades out-dated. pnwmom Dec 2013 #50

Yes, thank you! TM99 Dec 2013 #53

But it is 'woo' and you should be scared! Rex Dec 2013 #54

I'll bite... zappaman Dec 2013 #88

Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt MattBaggins Dec 2013 #148

Ahhhhhh thanks for the info! n/t zappaman Dec 2013 #170

What he said. Rex Dec 2013 #297

Yep, tried and true method for selling snake oil! Rex Dec 2013 #298

Bastyr offers more than a dozen courses in Homeopathy... SidDithers Dec 2013 #55

You probably don't believe in M.D. allergists, either, pnwmom Dec 2013 #61

Which is almost, but not quite, completely different from Homeopathy... SidDithers Dec 2013 #66

No, thanks. Once you make up your mind on something, pnwmom Dec 2013 #75

You have no evidence... none MattBaggins Dec 2013 #149

There are conflicting studies, as there are for many medical treatments. pnwmom Dec 2013 #156

In EVERY thread that EVER comes up on this topic, you ALWAYS claim the same thing. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #161

I did, repeatedly, right in this thread. pnwmom Dec 2013 #163

That appears to be an in-progress study. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #164

I don't know what would be acceptable to you, pnwmom Dec 2013 #171

That is one study for one specific reason. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #278

Here is an example of a faculty member with several completed studies pnwmom Dec 2013 #286

Great. Where are the actual studies with the results? cleanhippie Dec 2013 #290

The NIH solicits peer reviews before they offer grants. pnwmom Dec 2013 #296

So you cannot produce a single peer-reviewed study showing the efficacy of a naturopathic remedy cleanhippie Dec 2013 #300

Here you go: pnwmom Dec 2013 #301

While interesting, that's hardly conclusive. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #303

No, I'm not. I'm saying that you have to be careful about pnwmom Dec 2013 #305

homeopathic products KT2000 Dec 2013 #97

molecules, you mean? eShirl Dec 2013 #110

You just posted complete rubbish MattBaggins Dec 2013 #150

100% hogwash. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #162

You failed High School Science classes, didn't you? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #344

Yeah, but they have the gov't seal of approval... polichick Dec 2013 #71

I don't think your analogy holds up. Captain Stern Dec 2013 #397

Bastyr is a joke MattBaggins Dec 2013 #147

The researchers at University of Washington, Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, pnwmom Dec 2013 #157

+1 BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #168

'Scarce health-care dollars should be spent on science-based medicine, not the collection of woo Faux pas Dec 2013 #57

No, I posted in the thread that anything from Collective Evolution is shite... SidDithers Dec 2013 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers Dec 2013 #59

Yes, conveniently ignoring the fact that the actual work came out of Harvard. pnwmom Dec 2013 #62

... Faux pas Dec 2013 #64

Nothing about Collective Evolution?... SidDithers Dec 2013 #65

From Orac last year: The problem with homeopathy, according to naturopaths SidDithers Dec 2013 #60

God-forbid people stop shoveling cash to big pharma!! polichick Dec 2013 #67

Sure. Shovel it to the muti-billion dollar, unregulated supplement industry instead!...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #68

No thanks. I buy my herbs direct from the growers. polichick Dec 2013 #69

Nice, useless, flame-bait thread. Typical of your product. n/t ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #74

Maybe he's a big pharma rep. polichick Dec 2013 #77

... SidDithers Dec 2013 #78

You sure are threatened by alternative health choices. polichick Dec 2013 #82

No, not at all... SidDithers Dec 2013 #85

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #86

So it's the 'competition' you don't like. CanSocDem Dec 2013 #105

It's absolutely about competition for public funds... SidDithers Dec 2013 #109

You don't 'compete' for public funds... CanSocDem Dec 2013 #115

Directions in public health are not determined by popular vote... SidDithers Dec 2013 #116

Public funds go where, now...??? CanSocDem Dec 2013 #130

Apparently the earlier attempt to start a flame war was met with little interest. n/t ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #89

Just another flame-bait thread, brought to you by the same folks loudsue Dec 2013 #80

Third possibilty MattBaggins Dec 2013 #151

+1 Matariki Dec 2013 #249

Fuck woo. sagat Dec 2013 #81

+1... SidDithers Dec 2013 #83

Yep. greytdemocrat Dec 2013 #211

+1 idwiyo Dec 2013 #102

vaht? vas you shaying shumthing, about woo peddling fools, to meee? dionysus Dec 2013 #92

Heheh... SidDithers Dec 2013 #99

When I get really sick PasadenaTrudy Dec 2013 #103

A friend of mine PasadenaTrudy Dec 2013 #104

UTIs can be scary... SidDithers Dec 2013 #113

Gee, when I've had UTI's BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #114

I'm guessing PasadenaTrudy Dec 2013 #119

You didn't mention that, did you? BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #154

"To each his own." See, this is why ancedotal evidence is useless... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #121

I didn't say cranberry juice BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #155

"and the cranberry took care of it." You have no evidence for this. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #172

My evidence is that my UTI's went away BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #173

"YMMV" Again, thinking anecdotes equals data. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #174

To each his own BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #176

It actually does. Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #222

OK, sorry, perhaps I should say that one data point isn't enough to draw conclusions from... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #232

On that we agree. n/t Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #234

You didn't have an infection, then REP Dec 2013 #224

You mean we're not supposed to go on Web MD and self-diagnose? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #228

I do a little bit of self-diagnosis... REP Dec 2013 #268

Thank you! n/t PasadenaTrudy Dec 2013 #279

Well, good for you! BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #288

bladder infection, 4 weeks of antibiotics did not clear it up Scout Dec 2013 #295

Did they do a culture? REP Dec 2013 #302

i honestly do not remember if they did a culture Scout Dec 2013 #304

... lol ... Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #125

My brother is an MD board-certified in Occupational Medicine Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2013 #152

It seems like self-regulation doesn't work in any industry or profession. Cleita Dec 2013 #179

So what about marijuana? A natural medicine? panader0 Dec 2013 #182

You know what they call natural medicines... SidDithers Dec 2013 #197

Ok. So pot is therefore medicine by tautology that grows naturally. Sounds like natural medicine NoOneMan Dec 2013 #240

This thread is very interesting and informative Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #190

Actually, I'm battling ignorance in general, for example, you found herbs... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #194

Seems to me you are nit-picking Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #198

Antibiotics aren't designed to relieve symptoms, sorry if I was unclear... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #202

Sounds like you are a doctor. Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #212

I'm not a doctor, nor do I pretend to be one, more like a concerned citizen... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #217

OK Grateful for Hope Dec 2013 #227

Not all bronchitis Dorian Gray Dec 2013 #274

Black coffee is a good bronchodilator REP Dec 2013 #310

Meh. My Naturopath IS a Medical Doctor Matariki Dec 2013 #193

Really now? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #223

You are laughably uninformed Matariki Dec 2013 #248

Uninformed? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #250

Yes you are. Matariki Dec 2013 #252

You cannot have Naturopathy without homeopathy. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #253

You left out this part: "but not every naturopathic physician will use it pnwmom Dec 2013 #256

"that have not been scientifically shown to work" Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #264

Spinal fusion for chronic lower back pain has not been proven effective, pnwmom Dec 2013 #266

The first link Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #267

Bacteria are only getting resistant to ANTIBIOTICS because of the overuse of pnwmom Dec 2013 #272

"Tossing about the term 'woo' is intellectually lazy." kentauros Dec 2013 #258

and they are not only lazy, but very scared Tumbulu Dec 2013 #368

I've known for many years kentauros Dec 2013 #378

So sadly true Tumbulu Dec 2013 #384

And I have enjoyed what you've written, too. kentauros Dec 2013 #423

Thanks Tumbulu Dec 2013 #424

What do you think of osteopathy? BlueToTheBone Dec 2013 #196

Looks like yet another type of BS peddled on a false belief related to... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #208

DO's DesertFlower Dec 2013 #220

So they are legitimate until you get to OMM or OMT... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #225

when i had spinal manipulation it was for DesertFlower Dec 2013 #235

I went for my lower back BlueToTheBone Dec 2013 #237

an osteopath is a DO. seems the younger DesertFlower Dec 2013 #213

kick Liberal_in_LA Dec 2013 #257

I dunno.. sendero Dec 2013 #277

This is the net result of the insurance industry acting as a wedge between people and medicine. It Erose999 Dec 2013 #287

This is a Canadian story (nt) muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #294

This kind of quackery is a problem here too, in case my post hadn't made it clear to you. Erose999 Dec 2013 #299

Damn, look at the woo in this thread. *shaking my head* n/t X_Digger Dec 2013 #306

Shaking your head at people seeking affection? Whatever for? kentauros Dec 2013 #377

Big Pharma is based on pseudo scientific study, it's a scam perpetuated & patently confirmed! HAH! mother earth Dec 2013 #326

I have a question, why the fuck should we trust the big alternative "medicine" industry? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #334

Naturopathy is based on vitamin therapy, minerals and such, it is not homeopathy. And guess what, mother earth Dec 2013 #386

Reiki is a spiritual practice, akin to faith healing, and I would classify it as "mostly harmless".. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #390

No, HA, these things have benefits, maybe doesn't work for all people, just like medicines and mother earth Dec 2013 #407

Have those hospitals that embraced Reiki gotten rid of the oncology departments? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #400

Alternatives are used in conjunction with traditional modes. Don't be silly. No one is saying mother earth Dec 2013 #408

Naturopathic practitioners in the US can be divided into three categories: mother earth Dec 2013 #387

How the fuck have I been schooled? I'm called the close minded one for asking that things be tested. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #392

I don't know who you are arguing with, I never said FAITH had ANYTHING to do with the methods Ive mother earth Dec 2013 #410

Reiki is faith healing from what I read, so is most other BS "energy" healing shit. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #413

Energy medicine is a new frontier. Reiki really is used in hospitals, in fact, many practictioners mother earth Dec 2013 #415

One more thing, holistic medicine, alternative practitioners are SO sought after that people drive mother earth Dec 2013 #388

People also drive hundreds of miles to see psychics, I don't know why that is used as an argument. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #396

Tell the police departments that use them to find missing children and adults. Let's not go there mother earth Dec 2013 #409

Hey, you want to talk about psychics, why not talk about Sylvia Brown... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #412

It was widely known she was a charlatan, I think Sylvia was entertainment. I told you there mother earth Dec 2013 #414

Wow, just wow, an actor who is paid to peddle bullshit on TV... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #422

I never said I liked it so much, I watched it one or twice, and when I watched it the psychics used mother earth Dec 2013 #425

Met a psychic, I actually was one, for fun, if you can call it that. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #426

You really like to go off topic and take it to new levels, "you people" are so transparent. mother earth Dec 2013 #428

Indeed BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #398

"allopathic" in other words, stuff that ACTUALLY works. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #399

I give credit to both, as both have their place in healing BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #404

So why can't healing be demonstrated for the alternatives you advocate for? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #405

Absolutely, and thankfully that is taking place everyday as we learn that we do not have all mother earth Dec 2013 #411

Sid, have you never heard of integrative medicine being practiced by MD's who have a more forward mother earth Dec 2013 #328

+1 BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #339

I should have recc'd this the first time BootinUp Dec 2013 #367

Oh please!!! darkangel218 Dec 2013 #406

Holy Smokes! thats a lot of replies. I thought this was a pretty straightforward, common fucking... BootinUp Dec 2013 #427

There a huge anti-science contingent that posts at DU... SidDithers Dec 2013 #429