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BelgianMadCow

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23. that doesn't particularly make sense to me

Thu Dec 19, 2013, 07:19 PM

Dec 2013

to be honest. I also don't see how it follows from what we were discussing, unless with a very big leap.

But to adress the possibility: couldn't the crash have been deliberate? Given the testimony of Lloyd Blankfein and Fabulous Fab, we know that Goldman Sachs bet against the housing market whilst selling rebundled mortgages to their clients, and the decision to let Lehman fail was an backroom deal with Goldman Sachs and Goldman Sachs alumni. So that's entirely within the realm of possibility. It suffises to check out the banking chart to see that 2008 wasn't a disaster for all, to put it mildly.

For the goal to have been to avoid prosecution, that's a very weird way to achieve that. And given the total lack of prosecution of previous presidents, it was unlikely from the outset. Neither had Obama campaigned on it. If anything, the goal could have been to set the enormous wealth transfer called bail-out + austerity in motion. Again, not impossible, if you've read the Shock Doctrine.

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Logically it does Not suggest financial manipulation. Like Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics it is Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2013 #10

Alternative explanation: falls under general rule geek tragedy Dec 2013 #11

rogue agency. spanone Dec 2013 #14

I have important info to add to the OP: here's whistleblower Thomas Drake on that very same subject BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #16

So, if the NSA can play with money, how long have they had that capability? winter is coming Dec 2013 #17

the experiences Drake is recounting are from before 2008 BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #19

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that doesn't particularly make sense to me BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #23

It's a weird way to avoid prosecution Aerows Dec 2013 #28

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