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In reply to the discussion: Naturopaths and the creep of pseudo-science [View all]Tumbulu
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I have no idea why I bothered to post in this thread. To see these foolish people arguing with this experienced sport horse trainer just got me. They just have no idea....
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US hospitals don't follow evidence based-practices for birthing mothers, either.
intersectionality
Dec 2013
#4
US birth mortality also result of bad nutrition & lack of pre-natal medical care.
Bernardo de La Paz
Dec 2013
#10
That makes no sense, you do realize that life itself is just chemistry...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#185
Um, not really. Most drugs are synthesized in labs to block biological processes & destroy things.
reformist2
Dec 2013
#188
Is there evidence of your first assertion? In addition, define "naturopathyl", also...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#192
Unless you have evidence to support your assertion, it's complete nonsense. nt
eqfan592
Dec 2013
#200
Any industry that asks to be "self regulated" should get twice the regulations
phantom power
Dec 2013
#6
The science behind it was inadequate, and the drug approval procedures were tightened
bhikkhu
Dec 2013
#19
You realize that "3rd highest number of deaths" number has been completely debunked, right?
eqfan592
Dec 2013
#201
It would seem that you are saying that naturopathy is evidence-based medicine.
cleanhippie
Dec 2013
#26
Why the fuck are you lumping in things that actually work(nutrition and lifestyle management)...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#90
Pretty much, even more aggravating when they use terms they don't know the meaning of...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#187
The issue is one of credibility, homeopathy doesn't work, not in the sense...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#251
Wow, never seen a post that lacked...pretty much all knowledge of science or how it operates. n/t
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#91
Science is a process designed to reduce and try to eliminate the things you criticize it for....
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#117
I have the equine equivalent of tri-athalon athletes and we use all that "woo"
riderinthestorm
Dec 2013
#13
If homeopathy works, its Nobel Prize winning, it would literally upend the entire scientific world..
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#332
Naturopath doctors are just like chiropractors: both are deeply steeped in woo.
Vashta Nerada
Dec 2013
#15
Chiropractic is based on the unproven hypothesis of "vitalism" from the 19th century....
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#126
"very expensive physical therapists for the spine, but less trained and more dangerous"
Scout
Dec 2013
#285
Chiropractic is a pseudo-science. The argument that "adjustment" can prevent disease...
Gravitycollapse
Dec 2013
#127
Testimonials don't mean anything without it being repeatable and testable...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#373
Has nothing to do with your word, it has to do with it being repeated and being...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#389
Also, I just wanted to point out that manipulation of the spine, by ANYONE...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#395
Considering how much of 'scientific' medicine is poison, I say give the naturopaths a chance.
reformist2
Dec 2013
#18
Those are extreme cases, not by any means the end result of most doctor visits.
reformist2
Dec 2013
#191
Ahh, the good old days. When smallpox killed millions, polio killed hundreds of thousands...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#189
Have you looked up what some herbal supplements do to the human body?
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#94
You do know that supplements you buy at health stores is very expensive pee, right?
Vashta Nerada
Dec 2013
#145
Just about everything is "poison" if enough of it is consumed. That's not a good argument. nt
stevenleser
Dec 2013
#282
Yup. The only benefit of homeopathic "medicine" is that it won't directly kill you...
SidDithers
Dec 2013
#49
Actually it depends, some of the places that make "homeopathic pills"...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#93
Isn't that the one that causes anosmia? Losing your sense of smell...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#108
Its a rare side affect, at least you were informed of it before hand...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#134
It appears it is rare(about .3%), and indeed, Flonase is used to restore sense of smell for some...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#143
Sorry but the horses can't lie. They either get restored functionality or not from the remedies
riderinthestorm
Dec 2013
#166
Any Arnica homeopathic preparations contain none of the plant in them...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#271
Don't move the goalposts, and don't lump in other, unrelated treatments with homeopathy...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#291
I haven't moved the goalposts. Did you just gloss over my comment about using arnica gel?
riderinthestorm
Dec 2013
#316
Well you can be sure that 1M Homeopathic Arnica won't be detected during testing...
SidDithers
Dec 2013
#321
I don't know why you are celebrating, this poster is being dishonest at the very least...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#331
I like hearing positive testimonials about the success of using homeopathy.
BuddhaGirl
Dec 2013
#335
That poster isn't using homeopathy, but a plant based gel that has an anti-inflammatory affect...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#337
Its about honestly, I would think it matters, this isn't a matter of opinion...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#340
Describe to me how it can be present in a solution at 30C, or 1 part per 10^60 of water...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#372
Don't you want to know how it works, so you can better understand it? n/t
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#379
So basically, to you, confirmation bias is enough. See, I would want to know.
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#403
Is it arnica or a placebo(homeopathic "preparation", whatever), there is a difference...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#421
Look what I found, a mechanism for Arnica Montana to work on horses!
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#336
The tablets say 30c.The gel has no indication. I've already said it works
riderinthestorm
Dec 2013
#341
So the pill contains nothing in it, the gel most likely does, and you claim I am ignorant...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#342
Willow bark contain Salicin, which metabolizes into salycyclic acid in the body...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#351
Just did the math, the Arnica, in order to be diluted to 30C, had to be dissolved in a body of...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#353
Gosh then I'll have to SOMEHOW communicate to these horses they've been duped
riderinthestorm
Dec 2013
#352
As of right now, no one in this thread has described a way for homeopathy to work...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#364
Do you really think water contains a memory of things dissolved in it in the past?
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#345
"I don't know and don't care." This sums it up, faith based treatments, you just...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#330
I asked that homeopathy be tested clinically, you labeled that ridiculous....
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#393
I have a question, you have a million gallon tank of water, at homeopathic dilutions...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#402
Sorry, can't watch a video right now. got a link to the study/studies that support your assertion?nt
eqfan592
Dec 2013
#230
I've been told that patients who insisted on getting a shot were given saline solution
FarCenter
Dec 2013
#51
The Woo is no worse than the drugs pedaled on TV that result in a class action lawsuit.
Rex
Dec 2013
#42
Yes! Stop naturopaths from giving out Thalidomide, Lariam, Oxycontin, Vicodin, .....
WinkyDink
Dec 2013
#45
In EVERY thread that EVER comes up on this topic, you ALWAYS claim the same thing.
cleanhippie
Dec 2013
#161
So you cannot produce a single peer-reviewed study showing the efficacy of a naturopathic remedy
cleanhippie
Dec 2013
#300
The researchers at University of Washington, Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center,
pnwmom
Dec 2013
#157
'Scarce health-care dollars should be spent on science-based medicine, not the collection of woo
Faux pas
Dec 2013
#57
No, I posted in the thread that anything from Collective Evolution is shite...
SidDithers
Dec 2013
#58
Sure. Shovel it to the muti-billion dollar, unregulated supplement industry instead!...nt
SidDithers
Dec 2013
#68
Apparently the earlier attempt to start a flame war was met with little interest. n/t
ChisolmTrailDem
Dec 2013
#89
"To each his own." See, this is why ancedotal evidence is useless...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#121
OK, sorry, perhaps I should say that one data point isn't enough to draw conclusions from...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#232
Ok. So pot is therefore medicine by tautology that grows naturally. Sounds like natural medicine
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#240
Actually, I'm battling ignorance in general, for example, you found herbs...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#194
Antibiotics aren't designed to relieve symptoms, sorry if I was unclear...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#202
I'm not a doctor, nor do I pretend to be one, more like a concerned citizen...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#217
Looks like yet another type of BS peddled on a false belief related to...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#208
This is the net result of the insurance industry acting as a wedge between people and medicine. It
Erose999
Dec 2013
#287
This kind of quackery is a problem here too, in case my post hadn't made it clear to you.
Erose999
Dec 2013
#299
Big Pharma is based on pseudo scientific study, it's a scam perpetuated & patently confirmed! HAH!
mother earth
Dec 2013
#326
I have a question, why the fuck should we trust the big alternative "medicine" industry?
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#334
Naturopathy is based on vitamin therapy, minerals and such, it is not homeopathy. And guess what,
mother earth
Dec 2013
#386
Reiki is a spiritual practice, akin to faith healing, and I would classify it as "mostly harmless"..
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#390
No, HA, these things have benefits, maybe doesn't work for all people, just like medicines and
mother earth
Dec 2013
#407
Have those hospitals that embraced Reiki gotten rid of the oncology departments?
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#400
Alternatives are used in conjunction with traditional modes. Don't be silly. No one is saying
mother earth
Dec 2013
#408
Naturopathic practitioners in the US can be divided into three categories:
mother earth
Dec 2013
#387
How the fuck have I been schooled? I'm called the close minded one for asking that things be tested.
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#392
I don't know who you are arguing with, I never said FAITH had ANYTHING to do with the methods Ive
mother earth
Dec 2013
#410
Reiki is faith healing from what I read, so is most other BS "energy" healing shit. n/t
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#413
Energy medicine is a new frontier. Reiki really is used in hospitals, in fact, many practictioners
mother earth
Dec 2013
#415
One more thing, holistic medicine, alternative practitioners are SO sought after that people drive
mother earth
Dec 2013
#388
People also drive hundreds of miles to see psychics, I don't know why that is used as an argument.
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#396
Tell the police departments that use them to find missing children and adults. Let's not go there
mother earth
Dec 2013
#409
Hey, you want to talk about psychics, why not talk about Sylvia Brown...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#412
It was widely known she was a charlatan, I think Sylvia was entertainment. I told you there
mother earth
Dec 2013
#414
I never said I liked it so much, I watched it one or twice, and when I watched it the psychics used
mother earth
Dec 2013
#425
Met a psychic, I actually was one, for fun, if you can call it that.
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#426
You really like to go off topic and take it to new levels, "you people" are so transparent.
mother earth
Dec 2013
#428
So why can't healing be demonstrated for the alternatives you advocate for? n/t
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2013
#405
Absolutely, and thankfully that is taking place everyday as we learn that we do not have all
mother earth
Dec 2013
#411
Sid, have you never heard of integrative medicine being practiced by MD's who have a more forward
mother earth
Dec 2013
#328