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NuclearDem

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94. Alright, so you're a troll.

Sun Dec 22, 2013, 07:18 PM

Dec 2013

Just what I always thought.

If you're not willing to answer a basic question after the person you're debating with has given you the same courtesy, that makes you a troll.

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In Case You Missed This Nugget From Snowden's Letter To Brazil... [View all] WillyT Dec 2013 OP

K&R! G_j Dec 2013 #1

Actually it is about control of the Internet... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #2

Yeah he is a racist. MyNameGoesHere Dec 2013 #5

Well seems funny to me he was all about the spying when the White guy was in office VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #12

Do you believe Snowden believes that Obama will be President for life? Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #34

Do you think someone who leaks classified information is a hero? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #36

It depends on what the classified information was and to some degree the motivation for doing so Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #41

What a stupid question What in the world is that question supposed to box me into? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #57

Your implied racism imputed to Snowden? WinkyDink Dec 2013 #116

Yes...he is a Libertarian isn't he? Do you know any that aren't? I don't VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #164

This isnt about Snowden. Vilifying him is as nine. Are you trying to use misdirection to distract rhett o rick Dec 2013 #190

I have been posting on this thread all day...seems there are many who DO think it is ABOUT VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #191

I am not surprised that open-minded people would defend him against rhett o rick Dec 2013 #230

Open minded like Racist Libertarians are? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #232

Good grief! "Racist Libertarians"? Most open-minded people are not racist, but rhett o rick Dec 2013 #234

Again....prove to me that Libertarians aren't also racists... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #235

Once again you try to put words in my mouth. I have never claimed that Libertarians are or are not rhett o rick Dec 2013 #237

OH and what you "think" is not necessarily so is it? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #236

I am fed up with your discussion tactics. I DID NOT SAY SNOWDEN IS OR IS NOT rhett o rick Dec 2013 #238

No that is YOU projecting what I am doing...you know nothing of the sort... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #239

I find your obsession for Snowden strange. Do you even care about the NSA transgressions? nm rhett o rick Dec 2013 #240

I find your defense of him strange.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #242

My only "defense" is to question the conservative obsession to vilify him. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #243

Hate to burst your bubble...but not everyone who opposes Snowden are all Conservatives.. VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #244

You and Bill O'Reilly agree. nm rhett o rick Dec 2013 #247

So? Didn't I say not every one? That implies some are doesn't it? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #248

Go away. I think your favorite Faux News show is on. nm rhett o rick Dec 2013 #250

You first.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #251

You support centrists not Democrats. Centrists that see eye to eye with conservatives. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #252

No I support Democrats period... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #253

I guess it just never occurs to you that you could be the "Fringe" VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #254

Why Edward Snowden Is the Definition of a Whistleblower rhett o rick Dec 2013 #241

He IS the definition of a coward...I will give you that. VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #245

Well on that you and Fox News agree. nm rhett o rick Dec 2013 #246

and what is your point? This is what is wrong with your premise... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #249

and by the way....I am using actual statements made by Snowden to support my contentions VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #192

He's 29, for Chrissake! Demeter Dec 2013 #203

WTF does that mean? He has had the right to vote for over 10 yrs... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #223

For someone who doesn't like being "boxed" in enlightenment Dec 2013 #228

You don't seem to understand how I meant "boxed in" VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #229

Oh and no I don't... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #231

Depends, does it not? Daniel Ellsberg is today pretty much considered a hero. WinkyDink Dec 2013 #114

Yes - and Ellsburg stayed in the United States and willingly faced prosecution George II Dec 2013 #120

That Was A Differnt Time... And The Government Back Then Screwed Its Own Pooch... WillyT Dec 2013 #122

"Obama Has Charged More Under Espionage Act Than All Other Presidents Combined" On the Road Dec 2013 #215

Excellent point. randome Dec 2013 #216

So has Ellsberg said he would have fled to China, Russia and begged Brazil for asylum? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #225

Yes, I believe that Snowden is a hero fasttense Dec 2013 #210

You just described EVERY Govt.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #226

Or without calling into question his MyNameGoesHere Dec 2013 #74

Maybe he is a Social Security hating NRA supporting Libertarian too... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #77

Now that you have exploded are you feeling better? MyNameGoesHere Dec 2013 #81

He is a freaking Social Security hating, Gun Humper....that speaks volumes to me... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #83

You left out racist that time. MyNameGoesHere Dec 2013 #85

that is because THAT is what I am using to prove he is... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #89

Not I, I am not the one that is flailing arms and gnashing of teeth MyNameGoesHere Dec 2013 #110

I am not flailing at all you must be projecting VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #124

I didn't defend him MyNameGoesHere Dec 2013 #126

Yes...either that or you jumped into the middle of a discussion to defend someone who WAS! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #138

Hey, VanillaRhapsody Maedhros Dec 2013 #128

uh no it doesn't he's a Libertarian isn't he? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #131

From the Republican playbook, Maedhros Dec 2013 #135

Yeah but I can prove he humps guns and hates social security... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #143

Do you understand how simply calling names Maedhros Dec 2013 #154

who is calling who names? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #156

Here's the difference, Maedhros. pnwmom Dec 2013 #200

you are nuts G_j Dec 2013 #196

Who cares if he is racist or not? ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #127

No they are not....it goes to motivation... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #133

His motivation is irrelevent. ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #140

Motivation is NEVER irrelevant... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #142

His motivation doesn't change what has been happening. ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #144

doesn't change what? That the capability exists? That is all he has said... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #146

Have you not been following the story? ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #159

still nothing from Snowden proving that it happened... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #160

I think the NSA confession, which resulted from Snowden's actions, ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #161

what "confession" are you talking about? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #168

The NSA admitted to spying on millions of Americans. ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #170

they admitted they could...they have access to to several huge privately owned servers... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #224

Dear Sir... BrainDrain Dec 2013 #211

You wrote this...and you think something is wrong with MY position? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #227

This message was self-deleted by its author BrainDrain Dec 2013 #212

Almost as tragic, yet much more irrelevant, than petulant snark. LanternWaste Dec 2013 #218

Wow, I think that's a new low. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #118

Quacking and walking and screen name n/t Aerows Dec 2013 #205

You should be careful Aerows Dec 2013 #204

He's a libertarian fronting for his libertarian buds. pnwmom Dec 2013 #197

Silly? Lifelong Dem Dec 2013 #214

is that the next Snowden straw man...? mike_c Dec 2013 #6

Its NOT a strawman...did he or did he not support the spying while George W. Bush was VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #14

I have no idea, nor do I think it's at all relevant.... mike_c Dec 2013 #18

Oh YES its relevant... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #20

ah-- now I feel all better that the NSA conducts warrentless universal surveillance... mike_c Dec 2013 #25

No it doesn't but I don't jump at the chance to make someone my hero.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #38

If a Libertarian gives me a million bucks MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #92

If a Libertarian gives you a million bucks....you can bet he expects something for it... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #93

A million bucks, no strings attached MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #95

A Libertarian would NEVER give you a dollar...much less a million of them... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #96

My dad's old, and he doesn't want the government to get MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #101

Who cares what your father does? I don't but Snowden thinks he doesn't deserve his VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #105

He didn't utter a word of complaint while Bush was in office. pnwmom Dec 2013 #201

and that is still utterly irrelevant to circumstances today.... mike_c Dec 2013 #221

It is completely relevant to the OP pnwmom Dec 2013 #233

It doesn't MATTER. People can see the light at any time. It's the seeing that matters, not the date. WinkyDink Dec 2013 #117

Congratulations! ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #13

actually if you never read what Snowden said about spying during those years... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #15

He didn't even get the information he did until AFTER 2009 so wouldn't have had it in ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #17

baloney...he thought people who leaked under a republican should be shot.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #26

Snowden IS NOT my hero. I am, if anything, on the fence regarding Snowden. My posting ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #39

apparently HE is you cannot stand by and let his "reputation" be sullied by the truth. VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #40

I don't give a shit about his reputation. I do give a shit that I am being ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #44

You apparently give a shit about Snowden... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #49

Oh, Lord. Ok, there's no reasoning with you. I already said I don't give a shit about Snowden. ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #51

Actions speak louder than words don't they? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #52

+1 Phlem Dec 2013 #61

Are you calling me a Republican? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #62

Do whatever you want to do. You've just landed on full ignore. Phlem Dec 2013 #65

not a Princess or a Republican here...and that is sexist by the way! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #67

More like Snowden hit a nerve on you! cui bono Dec 2013 #153

Not at all...I am only replying to my responses... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #155

You made the claim that Snowden's actions were because of racism. The burden is on you to prove it. cui bono Dec 2013 #255

Yes and I stand by it...Suddenly he changed his mind about what should happen VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #256

Prove it. You prove nothing without evidence. cui bono Dec 2013 #257

Okay easy.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #258

That post was alerted on because you were being disruptive and behaving like a troll. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #181

NO it wasn't...I read it... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #182

Nope, the post you're referring to was alerted on because you were being disruptive and insulting. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #183

see the word "Republican" there...that was the dudes name... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #184

And your post wasn't hidden because of that. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #187

Yes that is what the jury was voting on.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #188

I think you had the wrong word in quotation marks there: Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #119

the truth that he is a Libertarian that supported George Bush's spying and VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #123

Your post is very revealing. Maedhros Dec 2013 #129

Great Point... WillyT Dec 2013 #130

YOU are supporting a Social Security hating....Gun Humping Libertarian.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #134

I'm not supporting anyone. Maedhros Dec 2013 #137

Denial is not a river in Egypt... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #139

Well, you are putting up post after post Maedhros Dec 2013 #151

post after post because about a dozen snowden supporters are responding VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #152

I recommend an introductory course in Logic. Maedhros Dec 2013 #158

And you're supporting right wingers like Cheney, Peter King, John Woo, etc. neverforget Dec 2013 #147

You have never seen me on a thread doing that...but I HAVE seen you on one VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #149

Look in the mirror neverforget Dec 2013 #150

I am a racist because I hate racists? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #157

No. You accuse others of being Libertarians because they think what Snowden did was neverforget Dec 2013 #162

NO...I accused Snowden of being a Libertarian.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #165

Thanks for making my argument! neverforget Dec 2013 #166

You don't have one.....but thanks for the laugh... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #169

Seriously. Stop digging. Actually don't as you're comedy gold. neverforget Dec 2013 #171

You haven't made a single point so far....were you trying to? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #176

I made my point and you proved it. Thanks for playing. neverforget Dec 2013 #179

there was a point? Uh no...epic fail if you thought so.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #180

I explained it but you choose not to get it. neverforget Dec 2013 #186

Bingo! MyNameGoesHere Dec 2013 #220

I am beginning to think you are sick Jack Hollis Dec 2013 #194

Welcome to DU Jack Hollis. TBF Dec 2013 #209

How do you know that he wasn't trying before 2009, but wasn't able to get it? George II Dec 2013 #125

I don't know, and as I've said already in this USELESS thread, I don't give a shit! n/t ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #178

It's Called Having Your Eyes Opened, And Evolving... WillyT Dec 2013 #21

its called hypocrisy...I suggest you look it up! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #23

So President Obama Is A Hypocrite ??? WillyT Dec 2013 #29

Of course Obama is not a hypocrite. truedelphi Dec 2013 #45

Oh... Ok... I Stand Corrected... WillyT Dec 2013 #47

well it certainly shouldn't be blowing up the skirt of the dirty little turn coat should it? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #63

But the comment suggests the Snowden had the information during the White president's ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #24

No it isn't seems everything changed for him when the FIRST black man was elected... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #28

I have never even once raised within my own thoughts that Snowden's motives have/had ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #33

Just because YOU never thought of it...doesn't mean it is not true! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #60

There are many different strains of Libertarian Maedhros Dec 2013 #132

You were saying? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #16

See post #17. And, BTW, before you alert (if you haven't already), please understand... ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #19

You see mine...while a White Republican President was in office...he thought VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #22

You're only speculating his motives. You even admit it: "Coincindence? I think not...." ... ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #30

aren't YOU doing the same thing? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #31

besides...saying "I think not" is a figure of speech... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #32

It's cool, VanillaRhapsody. You are, of course, free to believe what you want. The only thing ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #42

FACT is you don't know that they ARE doing it...only that they could.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #58

IMO, leaking info on the US Govt spying on it's own people is one thing. i can get behind that. dionysus Dec 2013 #174

Yeah, and while a white Republican was in office NuclearDem Dec 2013 #56

Oh yes and YOU know for a fact that Snowden is no longer a racist...is this your contention? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #59

I personally don't give a fuck whether Snowden is a racist or not. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #69

Do you give a fuck what he thinks about our Social Security system and the NRA then? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #71

How is that relevant to the NSA leaks? NuclearDem Dec 2013 #79

HINT he is a Libertarian... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #80

Still haven't answered my question. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #82

How do you feel about Rand Paul? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #84

Broken clock. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #86

Oh thats supposed to box me in huh...cause a Republican built the Interstate Highway System? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #88

Not even close. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #90

Where do I stand on it? Normally I don't stand on it...I am normally in a car... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #91

Alright, so you're a troll. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #94

because I ride in cars I am a troll? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #97

trying to box someone in with a stupid question...That makes YOU the troll! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #98

Whatever you say. Keep on trolling, VR. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #99

You are the troll...as I pointed out.. VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #100

Just what makes you so sure this is a black and white problem? A Simple Game Dec 2013 #76

BECAUSE he is a Social Security hating NRA supporting Libertarian... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #78

I think you need to look at a timeline. Seriously. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #102

a timeline to show he is a Libertarian hack? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #104

Yeah, you need to look at a timeline. Seriously. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #107

I don't need a timeline to tell me that a Libertarian is racist...do you? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #141

The entire world doesn't revolve around Obama. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #54

and the entire world doesn't revolve around Snowden the asylum seeker! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #64

I never said it did. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #70

You want to see him forgiven... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #72

oh, god Doctor_J Dec 2013 #106

You've officially run out of excuses. /nt Marr Dec 2013 #163

After seeing all the Republicans' dirty politics for the last 14 years -- pacalo Dec 2013 #3

Not Old Codger Dec 2013 #4

Everything's a business model. 12ZTR Dec 2013 #7

Yep...and welcome to DU...n/t zeemike Dec 2013 #10

Why is Brazil spying on the US? baldguy Dec 2013 #8

It's no secret that everone spys on everyone - just ask Jonathan Pollard! George II Dec 2013 #9

And yet Snowdens fans express endless indignation because the US spies on foreign countries. baldguy Dec 2013 #11

no-- I'm indignant when the NSA spies on foreign CITIZENS, as well as upon... mike_c Dec 2013 #46

But you have nothing for the US Citizens who were spied upon by Brazil. baldguy Dec 2013 #53

huh? what on earth made you jump to that conclusion? mike_c Dec 2013 #136

Well, for one, we have no evidence that Brazil is spying on American citizens. Maedhros Dec 2013 #145

they don't want to admit that they are anti-govt...any govt! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #66

+1. n/t pnwmom Dec 2013 #198

I agree with Snowden. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #27

Anytime... Uncle Joe, Anytime... Plus: WillyT Dec 2013 #37

That's interesting - from his behavior over the last several months.... George II Dec 2013 #213

I agree with him, too. He should be shot in the balls. randome Dec 2013 #103

Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive... SidDithers Dec 2013 #35

Whether you mean't it or not that's almost if not the best post I've ever seen from you. n/t Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #43

What I find absolutely hilarious about this theatrical performance is the essential lie Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #48

Classic Thread Hi-Jacking... And... WillyT Dec 2013 #50

I wish I could believe that is an unintended consequence. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #68

OTOH... That Poster Keeps Kicking This Thread, Giving It More And More Visibility... WillyT Dec 2013 #75

Just a resident troll doing what they do best. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #189

k/r 840high Dec 2013 #55

Interesting that Brazil is not considering giving him asylum. jazzimov Dec 2013 #73

it shouldn't shock anyone... Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #109

exactly... iamthebandfanman Dec 2013 #195

Did Snowden read all my posts about it all being all about empire and hegemony (and the power that indepat Dec 2013 #87

I Did... WillyT Dec 2013 #108

I honestly if we have ever gone into another nation for any other reason? jwirr Dec 2013 #111

Snowden demonizing the United States to get asylum. gulliver Dec 2013 #112

"entire populations under an all-seeing eye": EVERY Pop star shows the Horus One-Eye. The Olympic WinkyDink Dec 2013 #113

I'd say any political or economic advantage gained Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #115

It's clear from the letter that Snowden desperately wants out of Russia Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #121

First you criticize him for accepting asylum in Russia, Maedhros Dec 2013 #148

The NSA apologists here never tire of making fools of themselves, do they? DesMoinesDem Dec 2013 #167

And They Feel So... I Dunno... "Boxed In" ??? WillyT Dec 2013 #172

What is wrong with supporting our elected government? treestar Dec 2013 #173

Well... You've Left Me Speechless... WillyT Dec 2013 #175

Why? You seem to take your own views for granted. treestar Dec 2013 #219

Willy T! 2banon Dec 2013 #177

LOL !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #185

I wanted to embed an image of a fiddler and piper chasing the banshee away 2banon Dec 2013 #193

So we're supposed to be surprised and outraged pnwmom Dec 2013 #199

K&R DeSwiss Dec 2013 #202

Any hard evidence to support this claim? DCBob Dec 2013 #206

We have to stop the NSA. another_liberal Dec 2013 #207

Those are the key words in that letter and TBF Dec 2013 #208

So how does that differ from EC Dec 2013 #217

An amazing amount of troll feeding going on in this thread - too many vanilla wafers hueymahl Dec 2013 #222