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102. Unfortunately your fresh perspective is about maintaining the status quo

Thu Dec 26, 2013, 04:39 PM

Dec 2013

There have been many posts where Democratic Underground members have assumed that women have no reason to complain. Those who have complained have been accused of "man hating" or being "oversensitive".

The prime cause of the current blow-up was a remarkably good PSA from India which highlighted how objectionable the gaze of males can be. This opened a can of worms with the usual suspects (who typically are members of the Men's Group) accused the women concerned with misappropriating a term used elsewhere, denying that women on DU might feel threatened by the actions of men and making light of the PSA itself.

There have also been the usual attempts to alert multiple posts of certain female posters and recently comparisons of female posters with the Nazis.

The status quo is not good enough.

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You wanna see misogyny?! This is misogyny. DU internecine wars notwithstanding [View all] Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 OP

Do you also define racism for people of color? redqueen Dec 2013 #1

Just providing a link. Enjoy or don't. It is your choice. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #2

are you interrupting terminal uniqueness lol nt msongs Dec 2013 #7

heh. I had to look that up. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #42

I dunno, do people define what men are thinking when they look at a woman? The Straight Story Dec 2013 #3

I've heard that happens sometimes. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #11

I'm sorry, but that was uncalled for. nt AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #21

Yes, that is misogyny. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #4

True. I just saw this Media Matters piece on FB and thought Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #6

I'm not going to ignore misogyny and sexism among liberals and progressives NuclearDem Dec 2013 #16

go for it. it's your bandwidth. I happen to think there are more important things going on than Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #24

So, then, why your near constant presence chervilant Dec 2013 #43

near constant? I do believe you overstate. I've avoided most of the recent threads Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #44

Then you clearly are not paying attention. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #46

I'm just waiting for proof. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #61

"Same with man hate." xulamaude Dec 2013 #72

no. but there are women who hate men. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #77

And there are also women who hate women. xulamaude Dec 2013 #81

I guess men win the big hate stick then... Whisp Dec 2013 #132

+a gazillion chervilant Dec 2013 #41

when have I called anyone here a radical feminist? Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #45

So, does 'not' having called anyone a radical feminist xulamaude Dec 2013 #49

it is a necessary but insufficient condition of being a good guy. look up logical tautologies Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #51

No, no, no xulamaude Dec 2013 #57

the reason why is pretty obvious Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #59

It seems that you chose to take that 'radical feminists' xulamaude Dec 2013 #64

because the only one "in the room" as it were was little ol Pretzel Boy. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #66

Are you going to answer my question? xulamaude Dec 2013 #67

already asked and answered Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #71

Even though "asked and answered"... xulamaude Dec 2013 #73

That's not what radical feminism is. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #76

well there you go. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #85

Yes, thank you :) xulamaude Dec 2013 #87

So, beside the fact that DU is a patriarchal shithole, (founded by three guys, you know), and ... 11 Bravo Dec 2013 #141

What? Where'd you come from? nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #142

Been here for 11 years, but I'll try and remember to ask your permission before posting again. 11 Bravo Dec 2013 #145

How have I been enjoying myself? That one? xulamaude Dec 2013 #146

Sounds like a tough gig. I guess we all have our cross to bear. 11 Bravo Dec 2013 #147

Except I don't find it to be a cross to bear xulamaude Dec 2013 #149

Bravo, this is not your own private property. CTyankee Dec 2013 #154

Because when we do provide links, they get hidden or alerted on as call outs NuclearDem Dec 2013 #68

"It's easy to find too, it's usually in a subthread" xulamaude Dec 2013 #78

the burden usually lies with the one making the argument Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #86

Cheap parlor trick, eh? xulamaude Dec 2013 #90

No, just stupid, wrongheaded, and suffering from a very blinkered world view. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #74

So "stupid" is not xulamaude Dec 2013 #83

No, not at all like ex-smokers. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #95

+1 NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #100

That response was not directed at you, chervilant Dec 2013 #129

+100 Tien1985 Dec 2013 #56

Sorry to late-post but I just started reading this thread and wanted to give you a quick note. leeroysphitz Dec 2013 #109

When did supporting Democratic candidates mean tolerating sexism and misogyny among progressives? NuclearDem Dec 2013 #144

Sometimes misogyny is obvious, yet quite often it's not... LanternWaste Dec 2013 #5

Know role or shut up. And we hear some of this from some men yet seabeyond Dec 2013 #8

more like "choose your battles". But I respect your right to hear "misogniny" in virtually anything Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #13

You have no idea... EOTE Dec 2013 #65

and you totally rolled over the point i made. we are addressing those issues on fox, HERE seabeyond Dec 2013 #80

my participation in my thread is now over Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #91

piece of work. close your eyes, stick fingers in ears sing a song seabeyond Dec 2013 #93

What?! Cut and run?! nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #98

When someone tells me, Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #19

is that a Haiku that doesn't quite fit the parameters? Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #47

you would be the man following along, dissin me for no rhyme or reason, telling me you take nothing seabeyond Dec 2013 #82

Yet, we're the ones accused of xulamaude Dec 2013 #96

You position a child, for example, Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #97

This is getting to be utterly cruel. xulamaude Dec 2013 #99

+ one for a learning moment, serious and learning. OilemFirchen Dec 2013 #127

Might as well jump in!! nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #131

I dipped my toes, thank you. OilemFirchen Dec 2013 #134

"Know role or shut up" NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #79

the OP. quit missing with du, loook at fox. but, fox is doing what is happening on the board. seabeyond Dec 2013 #84

You think the OP was telling you to shut up? NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #88

again. creative reading. no one told you to shut up. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #89

you said focus on fox, not du. it is happening on du. yet... you repeat seabeyond Dec 2013 #92

"did you literally tell me to shut up? no" NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #101

You'll notice that many of us xulamaude Dec 2013 #104

Yes, I noticed that many of you interpreted it the same way. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #108

One in which you were not "offended" xulamaude Dec 2013 #111

No, I was not offended. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #112

Clearly not, but you labeled our calling xulamaude Dec 2013 #115

as i clearly stated, and this poster you reply to is very much into what is literally posted, seabeyond Dec 2013 #116

But, hey, only the boys xulamaude Dec 2013 #119

nah. i think SOME mens purpose is to creating the hysterical emotional angry woman at all cost. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #120

I almost always disagree with your posts, Seabeyond... NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #121

I'm likely conflating posters, OilemFirchen Dec 2013 #135

wtf? what? you men just creep out of the woodwork to throw out insults now? seabeyond Dec 2013 #136

Insult? OilemFirchen Dec 2013 #140

Just call em as I see em. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #122

Pot meet kettle, then. xulamaude Dec 2013 #124

i am fine thank you. well, i am sick, but fine. got medicine. thanks. but, you call them seabeyond Dec 2013 #126

Here's misogyny: Sending mothers' sons to die in illegal "wars." WinkyDink Dec 2013 #9

sounds a bit like misanthropy as well Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #48

Well, there is that, too. Death-cults rule the world. WinkyDink Dec 2013 #123

Dear Fox: Stupid, mean and misogynistic are no ways to go through life. Scuba Dec 2013 #10

Ok, let's break this down some. boston bean Dec 2013 #12

I'll be honest. I'm not going to read through your long "fisking" of my Media Matters article Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #14

ignore, deflect, deny. It's all been said and done here, and feminists when pointing it boston bean Dec 2013 #15

You're aren't even going to bother to read it, but you're going to comment on it anyway kcr Dec 2013 #18

unless she has links to back up her assertions about what was said.... Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #22

I've seen it, too. Plenty of times. kcr Dec 2013 #34

Yeah, that seems to be the case, I think. AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #25

agree with you there. this too shall pass. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #28

"When all you've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #53

And let me be honest with you, PW. And in a way that could be helpful. CTyankee Dec 2013 #117

"Seems as though you are trying to say that what feminists point out here on DU is NEVER misogyny, redqueen Dec 2013 #17

so my posting an article link is somehow proofe I deny misogynistic things are ever said on DU? Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #20

It's the wording of your title. The implication is as clear as day. nt redqueen Dec 2013 #23

clear as day for people who are looking for things to be offended by Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #27

What makes you think I'm offended. boston bean Dec 2013 #32

If your intent isn't to deny, then why the links or it doesn't happen reply to me upthread? n/t kcr Dec 2013 #36

never said it didn't happen here. I just appreciate discussing actual things said Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #50

The time to do that is in the actual threads kcr Dec 2013 #54

So, after a number of disingenuous, defensive responses, you've decided to chervilant Dec 2013 #55

And what we see at the link is what I often see here in one form or another. nt boston bean Dec 2013 #26

Surely not! redqueen Dec 2013 #29

Or this, either! Nevah! Nevah, I say! redqueen Dec 2013 #30

Or this, either! redqueen Dec 2013 #31

Or this! Here, people claim sexual objectification doesn't even exist! That's totally different! redqueen Dec 2013 #33

And nobody here says addressing rape culture is an effort to "criminalize male sexuality"! Ever! redqueen Dec 2013 #35

thanks for all the links to people on DU saying these things Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #40

Any discussion of objectification is called an effort to "criminalize male sexuality" by some here. redqueen Dec 2013 #52

so you've directed me to posts made over a year ago discussing women's pay gap? Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #58

So, as long as they argue that women deserve to be paid less nicely, that's ok? redqueen Dec 2013 #62

Dismissing the very links your requested because they invalidate your premise do not LanternWaste Dec 2013 #113

oh... i am in pain and cannot laugh. and still... seabeyond Dec 2013 #118

the trouble with those links hfojvt Dec 2013 #103

Pretzel Warrior is no stranger to these types of threads. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #105

Well, if the OP is one of the 90% kcr Dec 2013 #106

but spending 3 hours in a day is NOT hfojvt Dec 2013 #107

That still doesn't change my argument kcr Dec 2013 #110

I'm gonna stop cause this is TOO FUCKING EASY! redqueen Dec 2013 #37

I know... I was like wow... many of the things I've read right here on DU. boston bean Dec 2013 #38

OK....let's look at this a bit... davidn3600 Dec 2013 #128

When I hear the same things coming from people on DU boston bean Dec 2013 #133

"men also have problems and issues and legitimate concerns" xulamaude Dec 2013 #137

hey david, i am all over the mens issues and standing up for men about 90% more than you men. seabeyond Dec 2013 #139

No kidding, sea xulamaude Dec 2013 #143

"You men" "you betcha" "why aren't men taking care of boys" The Straight Story Dec 2013 #150

An example of going after a feminist rather than talking about the boys. Good job seabeyond Dec 2013 #153

"men also have problems and issues and legitimate concerns" NuclearDem Dec 2013 #151

sing it brother... i stand behind you on all that righteous rant. seabeyond Dec 2013 #155

Because only RW Fundie Whacknuts xulamaude Dec 2013 #39

Nah.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #60

By this logic there can be no criticism of the President or Democratic Congress people. intaglio Dec 2013 #63

nope. just bringing fresh perspective to what we're really fighting against Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #69

Unfortunately your fresh perspective is about maintaining the status quo intaglio Dec 2013 #102

thank you. Matariki Dec 2013 #138

Alright, you clearly do not get it. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #148

just because there is blatant racism somewhere, doesn't excuse less overt racism on DU La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2013 #70

agreed. I have asked people to point out what was said specifically Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #75

i find denial of sexism to be 'truly misogynistic'. La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2013 #94

I'm kind of worried about the circular reasoning this leads to. redgreenandblue Dec 2013 #125

I think that's the point. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #130

claiming a prejudice that is well established and experienced by its victims La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2013 #156

Certainly examples of unveiled misogyny etherealtruth Dec 2013 #114

Marbles in my mouth Limbaugh is a Misanthrope, thank God orpupilofnature57 Dec 2013 #152