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djean111

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33. Bwah!

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:23 PM

Dec 2013

Anyway, what is fascinating to me is that the Hillary fans are trying to set this whole thing up as only being about Warren, and then thinking that by shooting Warren down or saying well, Warren supports Hillary, or whatever, they have defused the discontent and everyone will fall in line behind Hillary. Nope.

It is Warren's ideas that count. Hillary's platform, or whatever, is Third Way Corporatist, judging by what she publicly supports so far - like the TPP. THAT is what is not palatable. This is not just a Warren - Hillary thing at all.
Bear in mind I was a fervent Hillary supporter; it was not until after obama was elected (yes, I voted for him but voted for Hillary in the primary) that I began to really see what corporatism and Third Way really meant. Saw Bill in a bit of a different light, too.

That sort of begs another question - why the hell is Hillary being pushed so damned hard when we have no idea what she stands for? All I can think of right now is TPP stuff, and that ain't good.

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Elizabeth Warren Could Do DU A Big Favor If Hillary Decides To Run In 2016... [View all] WillyT Dec 2013 OP

I don't think Warren cares about DU Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #1

I Kind Of Said That In My OP... WillyT Dec 2013 #26

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Of course she's aware of support she has Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #41

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I don't even want Hillary in 2016 Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #45

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Like I said...crickets Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #47

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No ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #2

Not sure what the "controversy" is, but no matter what Warren does or pens or says, djean111 Dec 2013 #4

So when/if ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #10

I will not sit it out, but I will be looking to see if there is anyone at all that I can vote for djean111 Dec 2013 #12

We make ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #18

Oh, this is more important than my everyday choices. To me. BIG time. djean111 Dec 2013 #20

I'm not trivilizing anything ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #29

In my real life, I can usually choose "neither" when a choice seems to be lesser evil djean111 Dec 2013 #37

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But That's The Question, 1StrongBlackMan... WillyT Dec 2013 #15

What is Hillary's platform fadedrose Dec 2013 #23

I have no idea ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #34

I like Elizabeth Warren, but I can think for myself. I will not vote for another corporatist GoneFishin Dec 2013 #22

I don't think that giving a frontrunner a free pass is a favor to anyone NoOneMan Dec 2013 #13

The OP was offering ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #19

First, show me where she signed on to support HRC NoOneMan Dec 2013 #21

While, I do not have access to the letter ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #32

A report about a person claiming there is a letter that says something... NoOneMan Dec 2013 #35

Did you read the linked article? ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #38

Yep NoOneMan Dec 2013 #40

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #43

No one is owed the Presidency fadedrose Dec 2013 #27

It's just going to be blah blah blah about HRC.. let's worry about 2014 right now. YOHABLO Dec 2013 #3

She's not running!!! MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #5

Where did Hillary say she is not running. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #7

E.g., MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #30

That's a SoS quote. She said she'd decide in 2014. joshcryer Dec 2013 #54

In addition, Warren is younger than Hillary, but is too old to run. djean111 Dec 2013 #8

And unlike Hillary, Warren never fought and won any tough political battles MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #31

Bwah! djean111 Dec 2013 #33

Hillary's time has passed. MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #49

No one is "running" until they are "running". In other words, I am not running means today I rhett o rick Dec 2013 #65

While I support Hillary I would welcome a Warren run as good for the party. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #6

Question: How Many Politicians, Over Your Lifetime, Said They Will Not Run For President... WillyT Dec 2013 #9

Good point. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #14

It's not too early to say Maybe or No or We'll See Whisp Dec 2013 #25

How many who PLEDGED to serve their term went back on it? joshcryer Dec 2013 #58

Well... I Guess If They Pinky-Sweared, I'd Get Your Point... WillyT Dec 2013 #59

Her exact words were, "I pledge to serve out my term." joshcryer Dec 2013 #60

OK... So... We've Seen That Particular Reversal Many Times... And I For One ... WillyT Dec 2013 #61

Well I hope you're right. joshcryer Dec 2013 #63

I'm glad to see this attitude around here NoOneMan Dec 2013 #28

While I support Warren I would welcome a Clinton run as good for the party. joshcryer Dec 2013 #55

She would do the country a big favor by running NoOneMan Dec 2013 #11

Agreed Aerows Dec 2013 #16

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #17

+1. Agreed. GoneFishin Dec 2013 #24

Excellent point. hay rick Dec 2013 #42

Indeed, an unchallenged HRC run would be a disaster. joshcryer Dec 2013 #56

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It has been reported that Elizabeth Warren actually wants Hillary to run and approves of her. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2013 #51

What Warren does in the way of endorsements doesn't really interest me. djean111 Dec 2013 #52

I am curious about how she sees Hillary Clinton in light of Third Way and Corporatism. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2013 #53

I get your drift, but so far I have no reason to think that Hillary is anything but Third Way. djean111 Dec 2013 #57

Or, run as Bernie Sanders VP. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #62

The mood wouldn't be more acrimonious than it already is. Beacool Dec 2013 #64

"Double, double, toil and trouble; cauldron burn and cauldron bubble" NBachers Dec 2013 #66

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