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53. just for some perspective, here's a story about a baby drowned during baptism:
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 11:38 PM
Dec 2013

i don't go around calling anyone else's religious/traditional rituals barbaric and i would appreciate it if others would kindly refrain from insulting those of us who view this tradition as important. babies don't consent to many, many things and parents are called upon to do what they believe to be in their best interests in many contexts every day. those here you would never consider circumcision for themselves or their sons are more than welcome to express their view that this tradition/procedure is not for them, but please don't insult me and my wife, my parents, my grandparents, and my ancestors going back many generations, based on your intolerance for the traditions of others.




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1298129/Baby-dies-minutes-immersed-times-baptism.html

Priest accused of drowning six-week-old boy during a BAPTISM as family looked on
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
UPDATED: 07:37 EST, 28 July 2010

A priest has been accused of accidentally drowning a six-week-old boy as he baptised him in Moldova.

Witnesses claimed the baby died after Father Valentin failed to cover his mouth and nose when he immersed him in water three times.

Film shot by relatives shows the youngster moving after being taken out of the font, but then suffering difficulty breathing as he is dressed.

Twenty minutes later, he started bleeding from his nose and mouth and died.

...

Doctor Sergiu Raileanu, who examined the tiny tot, confirmed that the baby had drowned.

Police said they have launched a manslaughter investigation. If found guilty, the priest faces up to three years in jail.

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Just... Glassunion Dec 2013 #1
Guess the Rabbi isn't getting a tip. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #2
Barbaric either way... Lost_Count Dec 2013 #3
I hope the poor, terrorized child retains the right the sue the fuck out of these people for what Purveyor Dec 2013 #7
Who is "they"? Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #17
The rabbi did it with the parents permission. Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #43
Any other guys out there do involuntary crotch grab reading this? LittleBlue Dec 2013 #4
along with a gulp…. dhill926 Dec 2013 #35
Why can't males decide for themselves whether they want to be circumcised when they're adults? riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #5
Mostly, they should be able to Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #6
It just seems wrong to do cosmetic surgery on babies without their consent riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #18
I actually agree with you Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #40
Because few would actually do it LittleBlue Dec 2013 #12
What I don't get is that if this is a religious ritual to mark one as part of the tribe riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #21
What, not enough Bibi/Palestine/Gaza/West Bank 'news' lately? PCIntern Dec 2013 #8
Still making my 'rounds'...stay tuned! Purveyor Dec 2013 #9
We can see that...nt PCIntern Dec 2013 #10
Well I'm glad my threads are so eagerly awaited...indeed!~ Purveyor Dec 2013 #13
Into major schmuckery today, huh? HERVEPA Dec 2013 #38
Exactly... SidDithers Dec 2013 #15
It's better than the "look at me" gender wars threads. nt madinmaryland Dec 2013 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #22
Don't forget breastfeeding. nt tblue37 Dec 2013 #24
Indeed. Breast feeding is and should be controversial. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #31
And yet one topic that is regularly presented as controversial. Because it was. On DU. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #39
Thank you. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #42
I'm to the point where I would support a cigarette smoking thread by The Straight Story!! madinmaryland Dec 2013 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #29
lol..nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #45
What an odd response. Scootaloo Dec 2013 #32
Oh REALLY? PCIntern Dec 2013 #47
Yeah. Your response is an odd one to a story about a guy getting sued for a botched circumcision Scootaloo Dec 2013 #49
that qualifies as more than 'injury'....imho spanone Dec 2013 #11
witch doctors and other non-physicians... waddirum Dec 2013 #14
yep. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #20
All babies are injured during circumcision. Jester Messiah Dec 2013 #19
There are Jews who don't circumcise Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #23
If fewer Americans circumcise, will Jews be willing to maintain tradition? Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #26
My hunch is, some will, some won't. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #30
Agreed, oddly complicated issue...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #34
I wish I could sue the doctor that cut several inches off doc03 Dec 2013 #27
A baby gets his penis cut off, and a surgeon finds it "exciting". Crunchy Frog Dec 2013 #33
"Any male who doesn’t circumcise, God says in Genesis, “that soul will be cut off from its people".. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #36
I'm Jewish, and I find all of these jokes insulting... Nobody You Know Dec 2013 #41
I absolutely would not let anyone do that to my babies. Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #44
Sorry, but the rabbi doesn't know his anatomy. Crunchy Frog Dec 2013 #48
nerves Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #50
"babies do not have nerves in their penis until they are at least two weeks old" ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #54
There's less discomfort for the adults Crunchy Frog Dec 2013 #57
Yeah...no. Infants have nerves in their penises even at day 1. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #56
While I won't wander into the religious aspects of the debate - Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #60
did the Rabbi have any medical background ? JI7 Dec 2013 #46
Holy Crap, and no pun intended! elleng Dec 2013 #51
I am against ANY form of genital mutilation unless it is requested by a sane adult loudsue Dec 2013 #52
Strongly agree. Oakenshield Dec 2013 #61
just for some perspective, here's a story about a baby drowned during baptism: unblock Dec 2013 #53
I think full immersion baptisms of infants should be banned as well. Crunchy Frog Dec 2013 #58
Male genital mutilation cutlture a.k.a. circumcision Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #55
if I have a boy wr will have it done Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #59
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