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ificandream

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32. He's no hero

Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:22 AM

Jan 2014

I approved of Daniel Ellsberg, but I think Snowden's a jerk. His complete trashing of government security caused much more harm than good. There's a big difference between a whistleblower and a traitor. Snowden is a traitor.

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NYT Editorial Board Calls For CLEMENCY For Snowden [View all] Segami Jan 2014 OP

I agree with President Obama on Snowden. FarPoint Jan 2014 #1

Sorry, but Obama is wrong. Titonwan Jan 2014 #28

You describe two separate issues. FarPoint Jan 2014 #35

"chosen poorly"? Titonwan Jan 2014 #51

I understand... but in all reality FarPoint Jan 2014 #65

Unrealistic expectations? Titonwan Jan 2014 #68

interesting G_j Jan 2014 #2

DU is solidly behind Snowden. woo me with science Jan 2014 #3

agreed. nt G_j Jan 2014 #8

RE: Snowden more Daniel Ellsberg or Benedict Arnold? iandhr Jan 2014 #19

I am. Titonwan Jan 2014 #69

Is that left? freedom fighter jh Jan 2014 #6

good point G_j Jan 2014 #7

We're propagandized to believe everything is Red versus Blue. woo me with science Jan 2014 #9

Political Smidical Titonwan Jan 2014 #30

Agree. freedom fighter jh Jan 2014 #33

Right on, freedom fighter jh Titonwan Jan 2014 #70

Thank you, Edward Snowden. woo me with science Jan 2014 #4

Whistleblower protections need to be reinstated, like it or not, the entire Snowden debacle lies mother earth Jan 2014 #5

You mean the expansion of whistleblower protections that Obama instituted, right? randome Jan 2014 #14

Protections exempting the intelligence community? & What of Clapper misleading Congress? mother earth Jan 2014 #18

So like a petulant child, Snowden demanded things should be done HIS way instead of the legal way. randome Jan 2014 #20

Congress is a moot point because they aren't doing what they should be doing as far as mother earth Jan 2014 #23

Absolutely agree with you there. randome Jan 2014 #25

The whole narrative of Snowden being hero or traitor, lies on this known fact. When the safeguards mother earth Jan 2014 #26

Interesting Savannahmann Jan 2014 #45

Snowden never mentioned this as his motivation. randome Jan 2014 #72

Thomas Drake & William Binney, both former NSA whistleblowers do not agree with you, they side with mother earth Jan 2014 #74

You Obama apologists are funny! Titonwan Jan 2014 #31

Why does Obama hate America? randome Jan 2014 #37

Hate Titonwan Jan 2014 #56

Too bad Snowden couldn't steal anything more than internal NSA documents. randome Jan 2014 #59

And why not? Titonwan Jan 2014 #62

Snowden isn't being critical of the government. He is actively trying to subvert it. randome Jan 2014 #67

Full complete pardon and medal of freedom. All within Obama's power on point Jan 2014 #10

K&R nt LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #11

I agree with the NYT Editorial Board on this issue and Larkspur Jan 2014 #12

The Obama Admin has NOT been harsher on whistleblowers. randome Jan 2014 #13

LOL. nt Romulox Jan 2014 #16

Pretty desperate when the new talking point is that Snowden is a racist riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #17

Leakers should be 'shot in the balls' when Bush was in office. randome Jan 2014 #24

yea G_j Jan 2014 #27

Obviously he doesn't understand Titonwan Jan 2014 #61

Insidious indeed. ronnie624 Jan 2014 #64

That's how desperation works. Titonwan Jan 2014 #34

I should of taken your lead :) Titonwan Jan 2014 #63

I don't believe that poster is sincere. His tactic is inane time wasters. nt Romulox Jan 2014 #75

Thanks! I like to know the next talking point when they come out. hootinholler Jan 2014 #21

You just lost a lot of credibility by accusing Snowden of racism with absolutely no proof. last1standing Jan 2014 #50

It's a topic that's been brought up before regarding Snowden. randome Jan 2014 #53

It's been brought up without any proof. That makes it a slur. last1standing Jan 2014 #55

'Everyone I don't like'? Or only Snowden? randome Jan 2014 #57

I don't know if you've used racism smears against others. Is that important? last1standing Jan 2014 #60

Oh...would it be better for him to have his inevitable "accident" here, closer to home? Romulox Jan 2014 #15

Well, it's moot anyway Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #22

Amen, compadre. N/T Titonwan Jan 2014 #36

Clearly, ProSense Jan 2014 #58

So does the Guardian. Not to mention the ACLU and Danile Ellsberg. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #29

He's no hero ificandream Jan 2014 #32

Approved? Titonwan Jan 2014 #39

I'm not surprised Ellsberg likes him ificandream Jan 2014 #76

And the influx continues... woo me with science Jan 2014 #42

Magnificent. Titonwan Jan 2014 #48

K&R Solly Mack Jan 2014 #38

Question? Titonwan Jan 2014 #40

K - kick, or post in a thread and push it to the top of the forum NuclearDem Jan 2014 #43

Muchas gracias n/t Titonwan Jan 2014 #46

In the bottom left of the OP is the recommend (R) button. Just click. It says 'undo' once clicked. Solly Mack Jan 2014 #44

Thanks, Solly Mack Titonwan Jan 2014 #47

Libertarian racist Obama hating Paulbots! NuclearDem Jan 2014 #41

Guardian partners with New York Times over Snowden GCHQ files (Friday 23 August 2013) Scurrilous Jan 2014 #49

Guilt by association tactics now? ROFL! last1standing Jan 2014 #52

He definitely deserves it. I over and over again reassured myself that it simply wasn't possible for Hosnon Jan 2014 #54

Wow, did you see that shooting star?? Major Hogwash Jan 2014 #66

Our president BobUp Jan 2014 #71

The NYT is right...Snowden should take a plea. Or he's going to be very cold in the winters. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #73