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CoffeeCat

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10. True...

Thu Jan 16, 2014, 03:22 PM

Jan 2014

Hillary represents the establishment. She voted for the Iraq War and she joined in the saber rattling on Iran, when Bush was President. She's right on many issues, including women's reproductive health, healthcare and she represents our country well (unlike Bush, who was a terminal clown).

However, she's a corporatist. She was supposed to be the anointed once, then something funny happened in Iowa. The state rejected her and she came in third in the Iowa caucuses. She'll have a tough time breaking barriers in Iowa, this time around too--if there is a non-establishment Democrat running.

She ran a very insincere campaign in the run up to the Iowa caucuses. She even planted people at an intimate Q&A--where people thought Iowans were asking her questions and she was being open and honest. It was revealed that several questions were staged. You don't f around with Iowans or the Iowa caucuses. Iowans take their first-in-the-nations status seriously, and you screw with them--you're done.

Not saying there's no hope for her, but she will enter Iowa with some major dings. She had the nomination unexpectedly taken from her, when Obama won the nomination. If she runs this time, I'm sure the establishment is doing all they can to ensure that she wins this time.

It's tough though, as a Democrat.

In the end, if the choices are Hillary and Christie or some other Republican nutjob--of course we'll vote for Hillary.

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People voted for Obama because he was not like Hillary [View all] Harmony Blue Jan 2014 OP

Polls seem to indicate the public respects Hillary. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #1

I respected Barry Goldwater, but I'm glad he wasn't president Jack Rabbit Jan 2014 #64

I am glad he is not president either. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #66

Hillary did want him to be President. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #134

Well, it isn't her fault that her parents raised her as a Republican Jack Rabbit Jan 2014 #138

People voted for Obama becausehe was Obama, not because geek tragedy Jan 2014 #2

Yep. Wait Wut Jan 2014 #7

Double yep. Don't forget the historic Republican obstructionalism though mikekohr Jan 2014 #60

wish i could remember who were the ones ranting here about how BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #72

It's back. In fact, it never went away. Hekate Jan 2014 #105

true. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #107

Yes, and many of us also don't care much for political dynasties. GoCubsGo Jan 2014 #57

Correct lumpy Jan 2014 #84

Nice big old broad brush you got there. Don't paint me with it. You don't know why I do what I do. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #3

Speak for yourself frazzled Jan 2014 #4

Voted SamKnause Jan 2014 #5

I voted for Obama because I liked Obama. zappaman Jan 2014 #6

I voted for Hillary Clinton in the primary. ananda Jan 2014 #8

<holding my nose while reading your comment> n/t Tx4obama Jan 2014 #91

Thanks.. I needed Cha Jan 2014 #96

I voted for Hillary, because she was Hillary. Glassunion Jan 2014 #9

True... CoffeeCat Jan 2014 #10

Obama ran as a progressive. That's what got him elected. To ignore that is either ... Scuba Jan 2014 #11

He did? Because I don't remember him calling himself that.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #52

I disagree Harmony Blue Jan 2014 #71

yep. Phlem Jan 2014 #115

No-He ran an optimistic campaign,but beyond that there was MASSIVE projection on him from every side Hekate Jan 2014 #119

Exactly right. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #125

^this Marrah_G Jan 2014 #126

+10000000 treestar Jan 2014 #132

I voted for PBO because he CAMPAIGNED as a liberal; and his opponent's were the Devil's spawn. Vincardog Jan 2014 #12

I didn't vote for Obama in the primary. Cleita Jan 2014 #16

His ties and policy decisions in line with Wall Street are disappointing and must not be found in Vincardog Jan 2014 #23

+1 dreamnightwind Jan 2014 #34

I voted for Obama the first time, because he was saying things I wanted to hear. RC Jan 2014 #13

truth ^^^ Phlem Jan 2014 #102

Um, no. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #14

If Hillary had won the primary she would be President today. Walk away Jan 2014 #15

I beg to differ. Beacool Jan 2014 #17

Sorry, but every time a heavy favorite loses to an underdog it's a big deal. Dawgs Jan 2014 #22

It's not spin, just facts. Beacool Jan 2014 #27

So, only Hillary and her allies can determine if she's the front runner? Dawgs Jan 2014 #61

THERE IS NO POPULAR VOTE IN THE PRIMARIES karynnj Jan 2014 #32

Rec, I agree with this sentiment 100%. n/t PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #18

What makes people think that the person.... NCTraveler Jan 2014 #19

People voted for Obama based on his own merit, on his own person, because he's smart Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #20

That is correct Whisp Jan 2014 #21

Oh, please.......... Beacool Jan 2014 #29

not true. Hillary likes war, votes for it, and her friends profit from it. Whisp Jan 2014 #31

You should become a writer. Beacool Jan 2014 #33

of course, it's all a lie that Hillary was too tired for the Sunday Talkies... Whisp Jan 2014 #38

Hillary had an agreement not to do the Sunday shows. Beacool Jan 2014 #51

she said she was too tired. Whisp Jan 2014 #58

Susan Rice said that Hillary was too tired. Beacool Jan 2014 #78

so you are calling Susan Rice a liar Whisp Jan 2014 #81

So only poor people can work hard and be tired? Beacool Jan 2014 #101

with little reward, yes. oiy. n/t Whisp Jan 2014 #108

I'm sure Hillary would Love to trade jobs with Whisp Jan 2014 #123

Obama was interviewed right before the convention where he gave the key note speech karynnj Jan 2014 #36

He wasn't that vague. Beacool Jan 2014 #40

Vague in that he refused to say that he WOULD have voted for it karynnj Jan 2014 #44

He was against it before he was noncommittal and then back to being against it. Beacool Jan 2014 #53

True - and for reasons I suggested karynnj Jan 2014 #86

Obama isn't for dumb wars, Hillary apparently is. n/t Whisp Jan 2014 #109

The good old days...when Tim was the dumbest Russert in the public eye. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #135

Until he keeled over............ Beacool Jan 2014 #136

I voted for Obama because I thought he was a liberal. I have been sorely disappointed. liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #25

And you're making the same mistake with Schweitzer. You're not researching his entire platform. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #35

I never said I was a supporter of Schweitzer. liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #41

I was torn MFM008 Jan 2014 #24

Obama ran as a Progressive Aerows Jan 2014 #26

That's not why I voted for Obama. I think Hillary upaloopa Jan 2014 #28

She's the very definition of Third Way. Marr Jan 2014 #50

Your history is a little off. It was pretty close to a tie. stevenleser Jan 2014 #30

Thanks, Steve. Beacool Jan 2014 #37

There is no such thing as the national popular vote karynnj Jan 2014 #39

I don't want to hear about the caucuses, they shouldn't even exist. Beacool Jan 2014 #43

Whether you think they should exist or not, they do karynnj Jan 2014 #45

Excuse me, but I didn't come up with these figures. Beacool Jan 2014 #48

Of course you did not come up with those figures,TEAM CLINTON and their media allies did karynnj Jan 2014 #68

TEAM CLINTON and their media allies???? Beacool Jan 2014 #77

How silly! karynnj Jan 2014 #85

I know. But it is something still reported. stevenleser Jan 2014 #46

I voted for Obama ProSense Jan 2014 #42

Plenty of people liked both Obama and Clinton. I would have been happy to support either one. n/t pnwmom Jan 2014 #47

Me too...because I am a Democrat and not ashamed of it! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #54

I voted for Obama in the primary and both general elections Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #49

And DADT is gone. And Obama has appointed a higher percentage of female & minority federal judges... Tx4obama Jan 2014 #92

They won't. Fool me once......... nt NorthCarolina Jan 2014 #55

No, it wasn't quite that cut and dried George II Jan 2014 #56

no, it was the hope and change thing. aikoaiko Jan 2014 #59

All the primary candidates that year started out equal with me. Starry Messenger Jan 2014 #62

John Edwards was actually my favorite at the beginning. He actually talked about the poor. liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #63

A focus on poverty and jobs are going to be what I'm looking for in our next candidate too. Starry Messenger Jan 2014 #94

I voted for Hillary in the primary and I will again. nolabear Jan 2014 #65

My 1st pick in 08 was Mike Gravel gwheezie Jan 2014 #67

I voted for Obama because he was the Democratic Candidate. LanternWaste Jan 2014 #69

I voted for Obama first time because he ran as a progressive abelenkpe Jan 2014 #70

The blame for GITMO still being open lays at the feet of the GOP. And regarding everything else... Tx4obama Jan 2014 #93

See #99 .. this Cha Jan 2014 #100

Yeah, I certainly blame republicans abelenkpe Jan 2014 #103

You need to educate yourself more.. Cha Jan 2014 #99

No I don't abelenkpe Jan 2014 #112

Yeah ya do.. ya really do. Cha Jan 2014 #113

Wow, you are mature abelenkpe Jan 2014 #116

LOLOL Skittles Jan 2014 #73

I think the same is true Warpy Jan 2014 #74

People voted for Obama because he was like Obama. dorkulon Jan 2014 #75

I voted for Obama because I wanted him to be POTUS. Rex Jan 2014 #76

I think they voted for him because of Bush and Cheney. G_j Jan 2014 #79

I was torn and would have voted for either one. cbayer Jan 2014 #80

a lot of us voted for HRC and then Obama. La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2014 #82

My vote for Obama had NOTHING to do with Hillary or anyone else. I wanted Obama to become president! Tx4obama Jan 2014 #83

You are not alone. nt mikekohr Jan 2014 #121

I voted for Obama in the primaries because I didn't want 4 years of Bill jokes on late night Boomerproud Jan 2014 #87

Your point that the country wants "someone with fresh new ideas"... polichick Jan 2014 #88

I didn't dislike Hillary--I just wrongly assumed Obama was more progressive yurbud Jan 2014 #89

That's not true. I would have voted for Hillary apples and oranges Jan 2014 #90

If Obama hadn't run, I probably would've voted for Hillary. temporary311 Jan 2014 #95

i Voted for Obama because i liked Obama, had nothing to do with voting against Hillary JI7 Jan 2014 #97

I agree. 99Forever Jan 2014 #98

People voted for Obama because he was Obama. People voted for O. because he was the Dem. Hekate Jan 2014 #104

Great insightful post. Dead on grasp of reality. mikekohr Jan 2014 #120

Thanks. So much psychological projection here it makes me shake my head in wonder... Hekate Jan 2014 #122

No matter who the candidate is nilesobek Jan 2014 #106

I think one thing Hillary has going for her justiceischeap Jan 2014 #110

This.......... Beacool Jan 2014 #137

Can you give an example how exactly Hillary would handle the Congress that Obama has? Whisp Jan 2014 #139

I think trying to work with this Congress by cajoling them obviously isn't working justiceischeap Jan 2014 #142

Obama won because he ran to the left of Hillary. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2014 #111

This is good dialogue! Phlem Jan 2014 #114

The differences between Obama and Clinton were largely cosmetic. nyquil_man Jan 2014 #117

Obama pretended to be to the left of Clinton on a variety of issues and it was all bullshit. Vattel Jan 2014 #118

If Obama was such a surprise, why do you suppose that Hillary won't be? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #124

No. I voted for Obama because I trusted his leadership. Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #127

Might Want To Bone Up On The TPP colsohlibgal Jan 2014 #128

Good for you. Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #129

I will never vote for Hillary in a Democratic primary. Martin Eden Jan 2014 #130

Alas, he proved to be not much different from Hillary. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #131

Absolutely wrong. Whisp Jan 2014 #140

Did you forget that Obama escalated the lost war in Afghanistan and runs the drone wars? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #143

One big difference Between the President and Bill C., Barack Obama was elected Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #133

I did not see any difference between Barack and Hillary, so I did not vote in the Dem primary Zorra Jan 2014 #141