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In reply to the discussion: Isn't it weird how Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren support Obama [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)To continously deride and allege evil intent of the leader of one's group, shows one is not trying to convince a person to support that group.
An example I gave once was like a waiter telling everyone how horrible the cook at the restaurant is, then expect the customer to gladly make an order. It will not work, why should it work in politics?
We've got a constant choir in media paid by the GOP or Koches, to drag down our ideals and ideas. The current is constant and negative. And there are likely those who support other parties that have their own idea of what a liberal is, such as libertarians. This site is not exclusive to Democrats, obviously.
Trashing Obama and Democrats is a learned thing from media. People know instinctively that it's the faux majority in this country that never give Obama or the Democrats the benefit of the doubt. They won't flex their minds or hearts to consider that the man may be doing the right thing, or that he is working for us, or that he is moral or competent, so they ascribe all the worst motive to thim. So they reflect that here, to curry favor among those who listen to the same.
I see this in public places, It is hard to speak with enthusiasm about Obama, as one expects to be attacked. so support is often qualified with 'buts' or apologies. There is nothing to apologize for, but it's like meeting with Flat Earthers. You can tell they have been brainwashed and don't like to have that belief questioned.
The one they got from thousands of hours of television, radio, magazines, papers and online. Every subliminal technique has been used to make people ashamed of liking Obama. Or the Democrats. From ugly pictures and repeated polls online that suggest that Obama has done a heinous thing or is planning to do something, it takes a toll.
I'm as proud of this President as anyone could be, because I actually listen to what he actually has to say, what he means, and not the second-hand gossip that infects online message boards, and I know I am going to sneered at - all for no good reason, just the pack doesn't want to hear anything that deviates from what they think is normal.
It's not all that smart to stop thinking and analyzing. For me, I understand that life and people, like theatre, requires one try to look at things with an open mind and heart, or in the case of fiction or movies, a 'suspension of belief.'
This is something I've done repeatedly to get to how a person thinks to work with them on various projects. I'll stick with a theatrical exmaple. When one watches science fiction, one suspends belief often. Star Trek has many consructs that one had to accept to follow that reality: People and things can be converted into energy and transported across deadly space or great distance and survive. That people could travel beyond the speed of light, that weaponry and force fields were technologically possible and also practical. That's a leap of imagination.
So I go with the person, get to know them and accept their beliefs, work with those beliefs and see if they make any sense. then make my decision on 'who's kidding who' later. Like following CT, which often says Obama is out to get us all for no reason that' proveable, but part of the mythology.
Many believe this as firmly as some do Creationism, the Second Coming or the Virgin Birth of Christ. It's a new cult of belief, all data is put through that filter.
EarlG made a good image on a subject we'd tried with research and reasoning to get through to some who could not believe that Obama was doing the right thing on Syria, or Libya, or Afghanistan. Many were all fixated on conclusions that did not match up with the facts:

Remember that spell here? It always goes in currents, sometimes like tidal waves and other times just annoying, mosquito nipping and water dripping.
That may not make a lot of sense to you. But I've got to get to bed. Take care, Number 23.