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freshwest

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108. And were not doing what Hillary wanted, either. Her support for Obama was obvious.

Sun Jan 19, 2014, 04:35 PM

Jan 2014

Those two videos of her campaigning for him on the road and endorsing him at the DNC that I posted, were not weak or qualified support. Her 'supporters' threw her under the bus for doing that, and some went GOP. We don't need them to come back, but those who can see past the packages to the ideals that motivate both candidates, can see the truth.

The others who are just sloganeering or going with a meme, suffering ODS or ABO and will never effect any changes in this country except to turn it over to the TeaPots and Libertarians by default.

With friends like those Hillary had, the expression of 'who needs enemies' comes to mind. These are fair-weather and petty people promoting discord as a knee-jerk reaction, ultimately a waste of time. Neither Hillary, Obama, Warren and Kucinich were and are not enemies, as it is not about them, but the ideals.

That realm is sadly lacking in the media era of tignorant visceral reaction. And as transient as such responses are, they never amount to lasting change, they cannot stand in the light of reality.

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Isn't it weird how Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren support Obama [View all] Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 OP

Suggests something, doesn't it? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #1

yup. plenty of innuendo. no substance, tho'. nt delrem Jan 2014 #4

Much like the "innuendo" that birthers are racist... ConservativeDemocrat Jan 2014 #85

"communists"? Red baiting? Jeez, is this the 1950's??? delrem Jan 2014 #112

The 1950s called, they want their red baiting back. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #114

lol - count your piles of $$$ now TBF Jan 2014 #115

+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #98

Weird? They agree with him when they agree, they disagree when they disagree Armstead Jan 2014 #2

Lotta people think you have to swallow someone whole tblue Jan 2014 #8

Mystery solved in two posts! ZombieHorde Jan 2014 #47

+1 Scuba Jan 2014 #68

For some people, everything is binary and the people that don't Rex Jan 2014 #87

In a sense, it's that "excluded middle." immoderate Jan 2014 #3

no arely staircase Jan 2014 #5

You know what's really weird? ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #6

TMI tblue Jan 2014 #9

What a perfect metaphor for the OP. morningfog Jan 2014 #10

I'm ba-aaaaaack!!! Muahahahahaha!!! Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #11

I have no idea what you are yammering about, but morningfog Jan 2014 #13

I was referring to your posts leading up to my break Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #17

Ah, that is why the air felt cleaner recently. morningfog Jan 2014 #21

I figured you were one Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #23

You mean flame bait OP's like yours? morningfog Jan 2014 #26

2 out of my last 5 alerts crossed no lines Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #30

Good fucking GAWD! HangOnKids Jan 2014 #50

Did the juries say that? I doubt it. morningfog Jan 2014 #64

Thanks for your OPINION on my op. others disagree Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #72

And others agree. morningfog Jan 2014 #77

"Enjoy your stay." Rex Jan 2014 #89

And yet you seem determined to go on another break. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #116

Other than expressing my opinions without hesitation Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #118

OMG, you are so right. progressoid Jan 2014 #34

Oh sure, but take a big, deep whiff. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #58

Sanders has also been very critical of Obama on many issues . . . markpkessinger Jan 2014 #7

I only judge it based on what my own eyes see and my Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #12

Nope. You're not alone at all. eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2014 #31

Isn't it weird how they also criticize some of his policy directions and decisions. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #14

Yeah, sort of like the posters that worked for him, voted for him... polichick Jan 2014 #53

Not weird, neither was it when Kucinich did. Different job titles. Respect all of them. freshwest Jan 2014 #15

These are great! Thanks for adding them Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #16

Don't let the media divide us. We must be united! n/t freshwest Jan 2014 #18

I agree! I'm a great supporter of Sanders, Warren, Wyden, Obama, Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #20

We are Americans. We don't have to walk in lock-step with any leader. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #37

+1 Jamaal510 Jan 2014 #25

Brilliant post, freshwest.. thank you! Cha Jan 2014 #52

This would make a fantastic OP. redqueen Jan 2014 #102

Give me a good title and I'll try for it. n/t freshwest Jan 2014 #103

Excellent! sheshe2 Jan 2014 #119

"Fan base"? WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #19

Politics makes strange bedfellows pscot Jan 2014 #22

And Tip O'Neal Rodriguez who said Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #24

Elizabeth Warren is a Democrat and Bernie Sanders is registered Independent but votes mostly Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #27

That was only the first part of my statement Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #28

They all Jamaal510 Jan 2014 #29

Agreed! Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #32

The "rift" is as imagined as it ever was. Number23 Jan 2014 #33

I don't think Democrats are sowing division or are afflicted with ODS. Both would be illogical. freshwest Jan 2014 #38

You say JDPriestly Jan 2014 #40

Oh, I remember that image. It was bang on correct and set the usual suspects howling Number23 Jan 2014 #42

Those considered ODS = right wing infiltrators. joshcryer Jan 2014 #46

Go ahead and post your *list* Josh Fumesucker Jan 2014 #51

I can only name a few off the top of my head. joshcryer Jan 2014 #54

Jealousy is a very destructive emotion Fumesucker Jan 2014 #56

I have to confess BainsBane Jan 2014 #71

Not here, anyway. pintobean Jan 2014 #100

franksolich? Are you saying Manny is a mole at the Cave? Autumn Jan 2014 #76

That's much more likely pintobean Jan 2014 #79

Well it's not Manny, because Manny is very sharp, and Manny has one Autumn Jan 2014 #82

Yeah, Manny would really have to pintobean Jan 2014 #84

He would have to do more than dumb down. Autumn Jan 2014 #113

Hmmm... thanks for putting *Goldstein* in italics MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #88

Criticizing some of the President's policies does not constitute a "rift" between us and the JDPriestly Jan 2014 #39

I strongly agree with everything you've written in this post. NancyDL Jan 2014 #48

Thanks Nancy. And I agree with every word that you've written Number23 Jan 2014 #105

That second paragraph says it all! Thanks. n/t freshwest Jan 2014 #107

you wont see most Obama supporters criticizing those, even if they are critical of Obama as Sanders JI7 Jan 2014 #61

Maybe Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are not really hero worshipers and maybe they JDPriestly Jan 2014 #35

They're politicians. Sanders is probably against the NSA. joshcryer Jan 2014 #45

He remembers the cold war and WWII unlike many DUers who are too young to remember that JDPriestly Jan 2014 #60

If he really is a socialist, he'd be against the NSA. joshcryer Jan 2014 #62

Yes. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #67

That's just nonsense. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #69

Thank you. woo me with science Jan 2014 #74

You're questioning whether Senator Sanders is a socialist? n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #95

Appreciating the acknowledgement that NSA is sweeping up everything possible. woo me with science Jan 2014 #97

Here is his statement post Obama's speech, Bernie's actual position Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #70

If disagreements about the NSA here on DU we're as reasoned and polite as Sanders Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #99

I have no idea what you are saying in this post, but your OP does not mesh with Sanders' own Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #110

The world does not revolve around DU. My post was Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #111

No, not at all. silvershadow Jan 2014 #36

I think it is interesting that because one is in a fanbase, they assume everyone else is too. TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #41

Spot on! n/t markpkessinger Jan 2014 #55

By their statements and embedded images you will know them Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #91

No not at all, but then again, we're not all afflicted with the same ailment that you suffer from. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #43

Not really, they are politicians. joshcryer Jan 2014 #44

LOL NancyDL Jan 2014 #49

Not half as weird . . . markpkessinger Jan 2014 #57

Using Bernie. Using Bernie to try and burnish the President's liberal credentials cali Jan 2014 #59

It is laughable, indeed. djean111 Jan 2014 #63

Yes, it's about focusing on personality over policy. It's for those who aren't too cali Jan 2014 #65

You are missing the point Cali. Maybe purposefully maybe not Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #90

they don't support him on many, many issues and both have made that clear. furthermore cali Jan 2014 #66

This is nonsense. Sanders ProSense Jan 2014 #73

Sorry, my dear pro-sense, but the reality is that bernie's politics are far to the left of Obama's cali Jan 2014 #75

So? He's ProSense Jan 2014 #81

lol. here. cali Jan 2014 #83

Revisionist history about the future? Interesting concept Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #92

No, not even a little bit weird, frankly. That's how politics works. Coyotl Jan 2014 #78

Their Actually the only people accusing the 1% , cutting to the chase ? orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #80

Bingo. And the vocal few that always try and stir up shit Rex Jan 2014 #86

So you're saying Barack Obama hasn't attacked banksters Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #94

Talk about the TPP with this Government.. Mortgage, Insurance Bail- OUTS !!! Revisionist history !!! orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #96

Only for people utterly unfamiliar with the way American politics work DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #93

I just had a thought. Will the Warren 2016 bumper stickers turn into Hillary 2016 if she wins the freshwest Jan 2014 #101

Elizabeth Warren said she supports Hillary? MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #104

Very well said Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #106

And were not doing what Hillary wanted, either. Her support for Obama was obvious. freshwest Jan 2014 #108

No AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #109

Black and white thinking. NCTraveler Jan 2014 #117