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grantcart

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Sat Mar 17, 2012, 06:29 PM Mar 2012

Why I think Mitt Romney is running for President. [View all]

He has no particularly strong policy positions.

He waffles on both sides.

He is not comfortable with celebrity who dislikes personal questions and hates to be interviewed. When off script he cringes and reveals that he doesn't really like 'the crowd'.

So why is Mitt Romney running for President, especially when he is so poor at it and it inflicts such painful criticism of him before his family.

There are two possible explanations. The first is that he is trying to exceed his father's legacy. His father was a very nice man who was at ease in public and had a pretty good chance of becoming President except for a single interview where he told the truth about the Vietnam war and his experience on a junket there.

The second is completely anecdotal and I have no proof, just speculation, it goes back 40 years to growing up with cousins of Mitt. In a nutshell I believe that Mitt Romney's drive has to do with becoming the 4th most important person in the history of the Mormon Church. There have been three important bridges in Mormon history. The bridge of revelation (Smith), the bridge to Mormon Migration and Mormon Territory (Young), the bridge to Modernity and Conformity (Grant). The fourth bridge will be the person that brings Mormonism into complete and total acceptance of the American Christian community.

In 1968 George Romney was ahead of Nixon in the polls and was much better liked. He had a warm personality and great success story as CEO and Governor of Michigan. He was candid and relaxed and that led to his stating that he was for the Vietnam war before and during a trip he made there but when he returned he began to realize that the diplomatic and military people in Vietnam were very insulated and that he had been 'brainwashed' by their briefings and enthusiasm for the war but upon reflection began to see the conflict differently. The use of the word 'brainwashed' a year before in an obscure radio interview was unearthed and played over and over again and effectively ended his political career.

At that time I was 14 years old and was the direct descendent of (along with hundreds of others including Senator Bennett of Utah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells-Bennett-Grant_Family#Jedediah_Morgan_Grant ) of Jedidiah Morgan Grant (the first mayor of Salt Lake City) and his son Heber J Grant (the second longest serving President of the Mormon Church 1919 - 1945). HJG had three major impact on the Church a) He started a 'Good Neighbor Pollicy' that removed revenge of anti Mormon 'persecution' and replaced it with a 'Good Neighbor' b) When the Depression hit the LDS church was seriously overleveraged and on the brink of insolvency he instituted internal reforms (see c) and went to New York and successfully negotiated refinance and kept the Church solvent and c) He moved the LDS Church from a wink and nod approach to polygamy (which he was found guilty of earlier) to starting to excommunicate Mormons that still practiced and pomoted it.

Heber J Grant was also the last living member of the Council of Fifty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Fifty)

The Council of Fifty was designed to take over the administration of government when in a post apocalyptic world all other governments collapsed. It was active in Joseph Smiths campaign for President in 1844.

With that background I had a number of interesting exchanges with one Rick Romney in the 8th grade. Rick was George's nephew and Mitt's first cousin. Even at that age I had a lot of interest in politics and would talk about the campaign with Rick. I also let it slip that I was a descendent of Heber J and Jedidiah Morgan Grant.

Rick was in absolute awe. He was more impressed with my distant relatives (with whom we had no real contact beyond the occassional Uncle visit). I would dribble out little tidbits from time to time. What was particularly fascinating was Ricks' reaction that we were no longer Mormons. It was incomprehensible to him. I explained that virtually no one in our immeidiate family bar one uncle that was a true insider, stayed up with it and I would dismissively mock the goofy things I had heard from my father about Mormon beliefs.

Rick wasn't surprised that we didn't buy it all but couldn't understand why we just didn't pass that stuff by and build on the fantastic network of relations that our family would have had.

I couldn't understand how he would accept the mumbo jumbo of Mormonism and he couldn't accept why I would be so concerned with any particular doctrine and turn away from such a vaulted family history.

He viewed my antecedents as being close to the Matthew, Mark or Luke and I viewed them as earlier forms of the three stooges.

Now I am also sure that Rick was a lot nicer about it than me and that I was probably pretty shitty about it way back then.

But seeing how Mormons see Smith/Young and Grant and how they still sting at being outside the realm of what is considered acceptable and respectable intellectual thought I see Mitt Romney's campaign as an effort to achieve what Joseph Smith attempted in 1844 but never achieved, election as President would put a permanent 'Good Housekeeping Seal of approval' on the LDS Church as being American as apple pie.

From their point of view even a successful nomination of a major party, even if it is defeated in a general election will provide massive and permanent 'certification' as Mormons being considered normal.

It would also explain why Romney always seems to be trying to get everyone's approval, he wants to be known as the fourth great Mormon, the one that finally brought Mormonism inside of the American establishment.

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In other words his religion is all that matters malaise Mar 2012 #1
thanks grantcart Mar 2012 #5
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #29
I think he supported his analysis very well Hawkowl Mar 2012 #30
I would welcome some action by Obama that is "socialist or latent Communist"... immoderate Mar 2012 #35
"You democrats"? radiclib Mar 2012 #47
This is indeed an excellent post. madaboutharry Mar 2012 #2
Interesting insight postulater Mar 2012 #3
Great post Wellstone ruled Mar 2012 #4
Wellstone ruled Diclotican Mar 2012 #7
grantcart Diclotican Mar 2012 #6
Now you made me think of my old Rambler American eridani Mar 2012 #8
Lust for Power excuse not to write Mar 2012 #9
Yeah the religious thing doesn't get enough scrutiny from the press. craigmatic Mar 2012 #10
This seems to mesh pretty well with a Salon column on Romney and the White Horse prophecy: highplainsdem Mar 2012 #11
She is extremely well informed about inner Mormon ambitions. grantcart Mar 2012 #13
I wish more people knew about this Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #36
That is an excellent article. Lone_Star_Dem Mar 2012 #54
thats the most plausible answer to the question pnwest Mar 2012 #12
This is fascintating and frightening. He really doesn't seem to give a fuck about Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2012 #14
Thanks very much for this insight! eom BlueMTexpat Mar 2012 #15
This is something that you should write about on blogs as well davidpdx Mar 2012 #16
It literally is a bridge to nowhere. grantcart Mar 2012 #18
Kick for the morning crowd n/t malaise Mar 2012 #23
If the world were flat and there was an edge... davidpdx Mar 2012 #67
Good information K & R n/t Aerows Mar 2012 #17
Psycho-historical fantasy Nayajja Mar 2012 #19
Whom are you supporting? Thank you for answering. uppityperson Mar 2012 #31
you forgot to welcome him to DU! grantcart Mar 2012 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author grantcart Mar 2012 #34
Until the day comes where LDS is as accepted as the RCC Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #37
You wouldn't have heard the term 'bridges' unless you talked with me grantcart Mar 2012 #38
Wow, thankyou for that breakdown LiberalLovinLug Mar 2012 #50
Came here from META, but I just have to say... MADem Mar 2012 #76
was this thread referenced on META? grantcart Mar 2012 #79
Yes it was... MADem Mar 2012 #80
what was the thread in HM? grantcart Mar 2012 #81
This one. MADem Mar 2012 #82
Welcome to DU mackattack Mar 2012 #77
I coulda sworn hfojvt Mar 2012 #20
I heard once that the Mormon church had declare war on America notadmblnd Mar 2012 #21
Well that was a very long time ago and a very involved issue grantcart Mar 2012 #43
Very interesting and informative PatSeg Mar 2012 #22
Fascinating... RevStPatrick Mar 2012 #24
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #25
Did you read the ToS when you joined us? tkmorris Mar 2012 #28
Its Time To Do Some Reseach On Your Own JL Fuller Mar 2012 #26
Uh...No Hawkowl Mar 2012 #32
He's ppr'd. We are getting an influx today here on this. Interesting. uppityperson Mar 2012 #33
Damn I wish I had got here in time to take him apart. grantcart Mar 2012 #41
Sorry. uppityperson Mar 2012 #45
another arrived down stream grantcart Mar 2012 #46
That is the theory. Not sure why they like this thread, but there you go. uppityperson Mar 2012 #48
The Romney campaign is probably watching for threads like this. highplainsdem Mar 2012 #49
Yes well they are not really understanding how Google works apparently. grantcart Mar 2012 #51
Actually a great deal of Mormon migration was from outside the US grantcart Mar 2012 #40
Ahhh Hawkowl Mar 2012 #53
I studied at Princeton Seminary and learned to read the Bible in Greek and Hebrew grantcart Mar 2012 #39
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #27
Very interesting POV about Rmoney's campaign for presidency usrname Mar 2012 #42
Dum.. dum dum dum LiberalLovinLug Mar 2012 #52
An intriguing point of view on the matter. Lone_Star_Dem Mar 2012 #55
It certainly has gotten under somebody's skin grantcart Mar 2012 #57
My mother was raised Mormon sulphurdunn Mar 2012 #56
Spam deleted by Ian David (MIR Team) baguioboy Mar 2012 #58
just so we are clear, you're saying you want mitt to win over obama? La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2012 #60
Spam deleted by Ian David (MIR Team) baguioboy Mar 2012 #68
Only if you define "moderate" as completely opposed and reactionary TBF Mar 2012 #69
It's so refreshing to find people who are only MODERATELY bigoted. n/t Ian David Mar 2012 #73
love it. nt La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2012 #78
Holy magic underoos Batman! Reading some of these replies is like Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2012 #59
pssst... hootinholler Mar 2012 #61
Hopefully it makes more sense now. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2012 #62
interesting and insightful hypothesis. bkmrkd. thanks Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #63
I think he's there to keep the campaign going until the real nominee shows up. BlueIris Mar 2012 #64
That's what I thought but there are no whispers about it and they would have started the grantcart Mar 2012 #85
thanks for your elequent explanations.. oldhippydude Mar 2012 #65
thanks for your comment grantcart Mar 2012 #66
And even if you accept the "weirdness" - as any religion could probably be described as such TBF Mar 2012 #70
If you accept the basic Existential proposition that Kierkegaard and other Christian Theologians grantcart Mar 2012 #72
You stole this from Mein Kampf and switched jews for mormons didn't you ? The Straight Story Mar 2012 #71
lol well that analogy might have been useful if Moses had voiced an interest in an official office grantcart Mar 2012 #75
interesting thread, thanks Kali Mar 2012 #74
Grantcart... nice to meet you! DippyDem Mar 2012 #83
thanks and welcome to DU grantcart Mar 2012 #84
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