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markpkessinger

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85. Thank you for sharing this!

Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:00 AM

Jan 2014

I wish more here would read, mark and inwardly digest it!

The reflexive invocation of Godwin has, in my view, all too often been used as a lazy means of shutting down discourse without engaging the substance of an issue. The effect of doing that is that it fosters the notion that something like the Holocaust could never happen again, that it was such a one-off in human history that we need not even entertain the possibility that it could ever happen again. Habnnah Arendt must surely be rolling over in her grave at such a suggestion. Instead of invoking some Internet "law" in a way it was never intended to be invoked, if we think someone has drawn a parallel to something from the Nazi era that is unfair or inappropioate, why not have the discussion as to why, exactly, it is unfair or inappropriate?

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this is some fucked up shit JI7 Jan 2014 #1

It's a level of Godwin heretofore unreached. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #8

+1 treestar Jan 2014 #12

And then there are those who misapply Godwin n/t markpkessinger Jan 2014 #30

Here's a nice little article discussing just that Electric Monk Jan 2014 #45

Thank you for sharing this! markpkessinger Jan 2014 #85

It's also a fair question AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #50

I've been saying for years now... grasswire Jan 2014 #2

Back in those days, people lived in neighborhoods treestar Jan 2014 #3

Thats mostly true. Jesus Malverde Jan 2014 #5

Yep, the data was collected RobertEarl Jan 2014 #14

the Germans did gather data Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #7

That's what got their leadership hanged MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #39

They absolutely collected data, and data facilitated the persecution of jews. Yes, Jews lived El_Johns Jan 2014 #32

This is an ignorant statement and shows a total lack of German history. The german governments Drew Richards Jan 2014 #34

So a census is spying and can lead to genocide? treestar Jan 2014 #60

We do have a census RobertEarl Jan 2014 #87

Not in Germany, for the most part MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #37

But they had to spy on them and collect "metadata" on them treestar Jan 2014 #63

Dear sweet jeebus...does no one learn actual history anymore??? nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #40

I just want to be able to come back to this thread after the train wreck Orrex Jan 2014 #6

I'm going to give you some free advice: Don't compare anything to the holocaust, rape or slavery. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #9

That Muscovy I punted last month had it coming. XemaSab Jan 2014 #24

you forgot to.mention Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #10

Germany started requiring national identity cards after World War I aristocles Jan 2014 #11

Pretty sure you meant goons, were it says gooks..nt Jesus Malverde Jan 2014 #13

Gooks and goons RobertEarl Jan 2014 #19

For the love of... NuclearDem Jan 2014 #68

Spook is also a racist term for a black person. Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #78

That it is, which is why I generally prefer not to use it. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #82

I don't think you realize that gook is a pejorative for a vietnamese person. Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #75

This is same rationale the NRA uses to fight gun registration. aikoaiko Jan 2014 #15

do you oppose the Census ? JI7 Jan 2014 #16

Good point RobertEarl Jan 2014 #38

Or, imagine if corporationas worked for our spy agency and had access Coyotl Jan 2014 #17

You mean like Transunion, Experian, Equifax? Liberal Veteran Jan 2014 #33

I mean Snowden was working for a contractor, not the NSA. Coyotl Jan 2014 #67

I was with you until racism took over. egduj Jan 2014 #18

You mean 'gooks'? RobertEarl Jan 2014 #23

Apparently you're not well versed in many aspect of history. William769 Jan 2014 #36

Pruneface did not employ many Vietnamese RobertEarl Jan 2014 #44

Back in the Day "we" didn't. William769 Jan 2014 #47

In my dictionary RobertEarl Jan 2014 #54

I am not upset by people like you. William769 Jan 2014 #61

Are you sure you aren't thinking of "spooks"? - nt Liberal Veteran Jan 2014 #48

Stop trying to justify your racist tourettes. Nobody used that word that way. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #49

Are you conflating the words spook and goon, perhaps? nt Electric Monk Jan 2014 #52

I may be. Not perfect here RobertEarl Jan 2014 #58

A decent person would edit their OP and use the correct term. William769 Jan 2014 #64

No, you'll fucking edit it or delete it. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #69

You should also know that spook is a pejorative for a black person. Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #76

Some terms are misused or evolve. I don't use "Saturday Night Special," Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #90

I suspect a typo. k is one up and one over from n JVS Jan 2014 #46

No, he's doubling down. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #51

uffda JVS Jan 2014 #62

Nope they confirmed it was intentional Egnever Jan 2014 #57

First one to say "Hitler" loses the argument. NightWatcher Jan 2014 #20

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis Electric Monk Jan 2014 #65

Nazis would walk into Synagogues and ask for a list of members. dilby Jan 2014 #21

That's right, except that they could also check against public records. JVS Jan 2014 #55

It appears the current US government Jenoch Jan 2014 #22

how did they find the japanese to for internment camps ? JI7 Jan 2014 #25

That should leave a mark Egnever Jan 2014 #59

Well, if you get right down to it, most people give up demographic data willingly. Liberal Veteran Jan 2014 #26

One way was that IBM helped him do it. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2014 #27

Another big aid in identifying jews were collaborators. People did not hide their jewsih identity. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2014 #35

Point is RobertEarl Jan 2014 #42

Ever been to the Holocaust Museum in D.C.? Motown_Johnny Jan 2014 #28

Well done! zappaman Jan 2014 #29

It's up there, but there is one worse, IMO, but it has ZERO responses.... Behind the Aegis Jan 2014 #73

I think I found it. William769 Jan 2014 #83

I think it's a bullshit rule myself, because if the comparison it apt then it is not off limits. GoneFishin Jan 2014 #31

Wow. Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #41

I've read that in some villages, it came down to whether one was circumcised or not for the male Purveyor Jan 2014 #43

Well, at least today there is no way for them to determine our political leanings GoneFishin Jan 2014 #53

Racism and Godwin's Law in one post. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #56

The old fashioned way. Turned their neighbors against them by telling them lies Cleita Jan 2014 #66

The Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear. mathematic Jan 2014 #70

PC load letter! What the fuck does that mean? - nt Liberal Veteran Jan 2014 #74

I think they were making a reference to the movie Office Space Electric Monk Jan 2014 #79

Both of them were. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #80

Ah, yes, I suppose it's been awhile since I watched it so I missed that reference. nt Electric Monk Jan 2014 #84

Jennifer Aniston didn't change the covers on her TPS reports, either. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2014 #89

This OP is just a spectacular level of fail. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #71

They were highlighted by time-traveling Fukushima radiation. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2014 #72

Nope, try again. Just completely delete that word from your post. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #77

You edited this insanely offensive post and didn't even remove the racial slur? LeftyMom Jan 2014 #81

1209 views and 80+ responses with ZERO recs. That says it all. Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #86

Let me tell you what happened in two different synagogues. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2014 #88

Is this a joke or are you serious right now? Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author NuclearDem Jan 2014 #93

Precisely. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #92