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Honeycombe8

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7. You have a right to your view. But I couldn't disagree more.
Sat Mar 17, 2012, 11:06 PM
Mar 2012

People who are pro-choice don't say that "abortion should be rare" because they're trying to appease pro-lifers. They truly believe that abortion should be rare. To give their words some intent that you think they mean, by reading their minds, is insulting to their point of view.

As a woman and feminist, I say that abortion is not just a medical procedure. Most women grow up assuming, maybe hoping, that they will have children one day. When many women get pregnant, there is an emotional reaction to that news at a gut level that is unlike hearing "you have a slow growing benign tumor that needs removal."

Then there is also the issue of the man involved. Sometimes the woman is deserted upon hearing the pregnancy news, and that is the reason for the abortion. Or maybe the man pushes her to get an abortion. Or perhaps the parents want the problem to go away (via abortion).

So there are thousands of years of biology mixed in with the reaction to the pregnancy, the biological urge to have babies or protect the fetus, plus the current emotional turmoil because of the circumstances and other people involved. Then there is the lasting memory of the solution to the problem. For some women, no problem. But for others, they have a problem with that in the future. And for a few, they may realize that that was their only chance to have a child, and knowing that, would they do that again.

It's a complicated matter for many women. It's not just a medical procedure to be used in lieu of birth control pills. The procedure itself (a D&C) is painful, as well, and may scrape her out so good that she can never have children.

Abortion should be up to the woman who has to carry the child. It's her body. But it downplays the seriousness of the situation for the women involved to treat it so offhandedly and to say that it's okay for it to be a common occurrence for any woman. If it is, I think it's an indication that there is something psychological at play there. It's a serious decision not to be taken lightly. She should be told of what could happen. She should be helped, if abortion is not her preferred way to go (there is no help for women in small cities & rural areas). She should be asked if the decision made is truly hers and hers alone (I knew a young woman who was coerced into getting an abortion). It's serious. There are consequences. But if she wants one, she has that choice.

Let's not pretend it's like a slow growing benign tumor.

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I disagree. Invasive medical procedures that come with the risk of infection when done improperly Brickbat Mar 2012 #1
Invasive medical procedures are not rare at all and they are usually done properly. n/t cynatnite Mar 2012 #2
Also true. Brickbat Mar 2012 #3
Safe, legal first trimester abortions are safer than childbirth for a woman. CTyankee Mar 2012 #56
Yep. Brickbat Mar 2012 #58
The point is that, in terms their relative safety for the woman we are basically arguing abortion CTyankee Mar 2012 #61
Yes, she is right. EFerrari Mar 2012 #4
I agree with you. nt hifiguy Mar 2012 #71
The phrase should be "safe, legal and accessible". EFerrari Mar 2012 #5
Or how about DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #6
You have a right to your view. But I couldn't disagree more. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #7
Such a cornucopia of errors, one hardly knows where to begin REP Mar 2012 #9
Oh, my dear. You are out of your league here when discussing abortions with me. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #15
No, REP is right. You did insinuate women that need abortion need counseling EFerrari Mar 2012 #18
No, I didn't. Maybe you and she should take reading lessons. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #24
But should a woman feel shame and guilt for having an abortion or even more than one? cynatnite Mar 2012 #28
Thank you. emilyg Mar 2012 #29
As one who has a uterus, a reproductive history, and worked in an OBGYN clinic... cynatnite Mar 2012 #32
The thief thinks everyone steals REP Mar 2012 #33
+1000 nt ecstatic Mar 2012 #47
I don't know of any woman who has been HAPPY she just had to have an appendectomy either. I DO know uppityperson Mar 2012 #65
Why don't "let's" speak for yourself. EFerrari Mar 2012 #12
No need to attack the poster. Just state your opinion on the subject matter, please. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #26
She is trying to strip away the shame that is associated with abortion... cynatnite Mar 2012 #14
"I love abortion" does not mean "Women should not feel the shame of having" an abortion. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #30
You're preaching to the choir when it comes to how a woman reacts to the decision... cynatnite Mar 2012 #31
I don't think so ecstatic Mar 2012 #48
You sure as hell don't speak for me. Daemonaquila Mar 2012 #22
I would like everyone to brush and floss regularly, so that root canals are rare. Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #25
Well, when I was sitting in the waiting room all those times.... Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #27
Exactly easttexaslefty Mar 2012 #53
I was lucky, I could afford IV sedation. moriah Mar 2012 #67
Ever had a root canal? moriah Mar 2012 #66
Sorry, I'm a safe, legal, and rare person. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #8
'Safe legal and rare' is th PC Position REP Mar 2012 #10
Only if you're an apologist, Daemonaquila Mar 2012 #23
I'm in the 'safe, legal and accessible' crowd REP Mar 2012 #34
I agree with Ted Kennedy's position that abortion should be rare. Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #11
To Teddy and to my friend Odin, I'll only quote Whoopee Goldberg. EFerrari Mar 2012 #13
How about Hillary Clinton? What would you quote to her? Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #16
I would ask Hillary should a woman feel shame or guilt for having an abortion? cynatnite Mar 2012 #19
"I think abortion should remain legal" -- now, there's a roaring statement EFerrari Mar 2012 #21
Why should I? She spends nearly as much time giving lip service to women's welfare EFerrari Mar 2012 #20
I think a lot of folks are missing the point of the article... cynatnite Mar 2012 #17
Agree Mimosa Mar 2012 #35
K&R Solly Mack Mar 2012 #36
I'm in my late 50's and Tumbulu Mar 2012 #37
She is talking about the shame, guilt and failure that women feel... cynatnite Mar 2012 #38
If men got pregnant libodem Mar 2012 #39
The person who wrote the article is just demonstrating binary thinking Major Nikon Mar 2012 #40
I don't love abortion fishwax Mar 2012 #41
Agreed. It's ridiculous to accuse people like Ted Kennedy of "cozying up to the forced-birth camp" Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #44
If it's safe, legal, and not shameful, who gives a flying fuck whether it's rare or not? saras Mar 2012 #42
Because better sex education, and free and easily available contraception, Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #43
I used to think this way...when I was far removed from associating with kids. dkf Mar 2012 #45
Herein lies the problem. Avalux Mar 2012 #52
People judge things all the time. And sometimes they decide to support their causes by donating. dkf Mar 2012 #55
I think the point should be that we recognize that women are moral agents and can decide CTyankee Mar 2012 #59
Not our place to judge parenting either...is it? Any yahoo can have a kid. dkf Mar 2012 #62
I don't understand how your last sentence applies in the context of this thread... CTyankee Mar 2012 #63
One of the things Puzzledtraveller Mar 2012 #69
Abortion is a safe medical procedure. It is a LEGAL MEDICAL PROCEDURE. Avalux Mar 2012 #46
Abortion on Demand -- No Exceptions, No Apologies. Ship of Fools Mar 2012 #49
"Safe, legal and rare" wins elections. Because that's what most Americans believe in. Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #57
It is a fair point. "Rare" also bolsters the argument for provision on accessible birth control. CTyankee Mar 2012 #60
This is what I believe, and I don't think I'm alone. Ship of Fools Mar 2012 #64
I can only speak of my experience. easttexaslefty Mar 2012 #50
oh puke cali Mar 2012 #51
Yep. easttexaslefty Mar 2012 #54
I agree. HappyMe Mar 2012 #68
Very true cherish44 Mar 2012 #70
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