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billh58

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69. Yet you repeat the NRA

Sat Jan 25, 2014, 03:25 PM

Jan 2014

excuses word-for-word. Of course cancer, automobiles, knives, forks, trips and falls, lightening, swimming pools, and many other causes contribute to multiple deaths in this country. None of that, however, changes the fact that the USA leads it's nearest competitor 20 times over in number of gun deaths. And yes, suicide counts in that comparison as well (as it should).

The bottom line is, just like cancer and drunk driving, we can and should address the gun violence epidemic in this country, and take the politics out of what really amounts to a public health issue.

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Another day, another shooting [View all] nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 OP

But we're told, even right here on DU, that there is no need to have any fear taught_me_patience Jan 2014 #1

And i got to go to a mall today nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #2

We have been told .... etherealtruth Jan 2014 #3

It's our right to "strut" around alive, too. Frustratedlady Jan 2014 #6

No, no the rights of "guns " trump all other rights etherealtruth Jan 2014 #8

Guns are more important than people, silly. Iggo Jan 2014 #33

Indeed, but, but freedumb!!! nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #11

Oh, the gun-lickers have their snarky apologetics ready for *any* scale atrocity... villager Jan 2014 #93

No one was walking around with AR-15s or anything else. former9thward Jan 2014 #136

just reported on m$nbc...3 shot dead.... spanone Jan 2014 #4

Only 3 dead? Nothing to see, move along. MoonRiver Jan 2014 #5

We lived a mile from that mall in Maryland until we moved to Ohio madinmaryland Jan 2014 #7

I think I understand etherealtruth Jan 2014 #12

That *is* too close for comfort nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #13

We are dreading the announcements of who has died. This is within madinmaryland Jan 2014 #14

My thoughts are with you. lapislzi Jan 2014 #68

I used to live in that area too, been to that mall many times. kcr Jan 2014 #83

Later, much later, if it changes at all. MH1 Jan 2014 #9

rescind the 2nd amendment, now! n/t PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #10

Yes, because climate change isn't real and the NSA is totally harmless. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #15

Actually I am all for gun owners being part of a well regulated militia nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #19

There ARE some well regulated militias in our nation. ... spin Jan 2014 #89

What? Oakenshield Jan 2014 #38

says PowerToThePeople - Skip Intro Jan 2014 #21

Just the power I want to the people! Nt Adrahil Jan 2014 #39

Gunz != Power n/t PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #52

This shit again? n/t X_Digger Jan 2014 #70

Do you really think the shooter was a law abiding citizen? seveneyes Jan 2014 #84

we could just ban all gun sales PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #99

they would just make them Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #102

they can already do that. PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #122

like pot and cocaine Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #154

let's see... PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #156

cocaine? Crack? Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #157

we are all "law abiding citizens" onethatcares Jan 2014 #115

You don't fucking "rescind" parts of the Constitution. (They're called clues, and can be found cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #107

ban all guns. ban all ammo. rescind the 2nd. n/t PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #120

Good luck with that. pintobean Jan 2014 #124

yeah go ahead and run for ANY election with that plank as part of your platform shedevil69taz Jan 2014 #151

'Murica! RetroLounge Jan 2014 #16

Ok so 360 million guns in the US Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #17

our current nuclear aresenal is over 5,000, so if we fire off one that's 4999 .... spanone Jan 2014 #18

I guess Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #24

if you're on the receiving end of it, it really doesn't matter at all. spanone Jan 2014 #43

Do you know how many deaths each year are directly related to alcohol? Adrahil Jan 2014 #46

alcohol is a problem. guns are a problem. cancer is a problem. hate is a problem. spanone Jan 2014 #51

But the banning solution is no solution Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #53

I don't disagree, but what's the justification for elevating this one? Adrahil Jan 2014 #66

I just love your "logic" nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #20

It's not logic, its perspective Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #26

Likely from a gun fan nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #28

See ya, how did the recorder work out Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #30

Well I guess that we can both agree that there is no logic in what you said Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #55

Exactly. Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #56

How many senseless gun murders are acceptable to you? etherealtruth Jan 2014 #23

How many DUI homicides are acceptable to you Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #27

i knew that was coming! bwahahahahaaa enjoy. spanone Jan 2014 #29

Exactly it's a meaningless question. Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #31

It is a very meaningful question etherealtruth Jan 2014 #34

how many murders are acceptable from gun violence? spanone Jan 2014 #36

None. Murder is a crime Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #44

None ... I support strict laws against drinking and driving etherealtruth Jan 2014 #32

I support laws against mass shooting Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #42

You do realize how tired and stupid the "gun' / auto comparison is ... etherealtruth Jan 2014 #45

No true Scotsman... billh58 Jan 2014 #48

I'm not NRA Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #54

Yet you repeat the NRA billh58 Jan 2014 #69

Or maybe you're just in denial Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #74

I'm not trying to billh58 Jan 2014 #77

Good start with NRA parrot comment Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #78

I'm sorry I'm missed your solution Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #50

Car accidents are not equal to murder with a gun XRubicon Jan 2014 #57

No. Both are involved in accidents and acts of violence Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #58

cars are involved in acts of violence? XRubicon Jan 2014 #61

Nonsense. beevul Jan 2014 #81

LOL! XRubicon Jan 2014 #82

Wow! LOL Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #87

It is not worth the time or energy trying to discuss this with someone that makes that "argument" etherealtruth Jan 2014 #59

Still banning 360 million Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #65

What makes you think even more laws will make a damn bit of difference? Lurks Often Jan 2014 #62

Sshhh Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #63

We don't need new laws, we need to tax guns to reduce the numbers on the street. XRubicon Jan 2014 #64

Aside from the fact that you will never get that through Congress Lurks Often Jan 2014 #67

Good, your $50,000 plus friends will have to pay more XRubicon Jan 2014 #72

You missed the part about never getting that through Congress n/t Lurks Often Jan 2014 #128

You missed the part about caring for others. nt XRubicon Jan 2014 #130

Was that really the best you could as a reply? n/t Lurks Often Jan 2014 #132

Yes, go look in the mirror XRubicon Jan 2014 #134

Thanks for the laugh n/t Lurks Often Jan 2014 #138

I knew looking in the mirror would make you laugh, you are welcome. XRubicon Jan 2014 #139

Really, you've devolved to elementary school insults now? Lurks Often Jan 2014 #141

What? XRubicon Jan 2014 #142

Perhaps it's time for you to take your childish insults elsewhere n/t Lurks Often Jan 2014 #143

perhaps you should take your gun nuttery elsewhere XRubicon Jan 2014 #145

And lots of people can be Democrats and pro-gun, just look at Harry Reid Lurks Often Jan 2014 #146

20 first graders. XRubicon Jan 2014 #148

I'm laughing at YOU and your posts Lurks Often Jan 2014 #149

I knew you'd be back XRubicon Jan 2014 #150

I noticed you avoided addressing the fact that Harry Reid is pro-gun Lurks Often Jan 2014 #158

And Democrats can also be billh58 Jan 2014 #153

You're entitled to your opinion, but gun control is losing more battles then it's winning. Lurks Often Jan 2014 #161

Automatic/machine guns were done away with via taxation? Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #80

NFA 1934 XRubicon Jan 2014 #90

Wow. Fair enough. Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #95

It wasn't taxes the made automatic weapons rare hack89 Jan 2014 #92

When the tax was introduced it was equivalent to $3478 XRubicon Jan 2014 #96

No - it was through restricting the number of weapons hack89 Jan 2014 #97

No XRubicon Jan 2014 #101

Dream on hack89 Jan 2014 #104

It is a tax XRubicon Jan 2014 #106

A poll tax is a tax too. hack89 Jan 2014 #110

When did you pass the bar? XRubicon Jan 2014 #111

I will be here when you want to pick the conversation hack89 Jan 2014 #119

I think we are too far apart on this issue XRubicon Jan 2014 #121

Severely limiting access and ownership of guns is a start etherealtruth Jan 2014 #71

I find your proposals unrealistic Lurks Often Jan 2014 #129

Maryland may have strict gun laws however Virginia's are anything but etherealtruth Jan 2014 #137

So you have information that states the shooter got his gun from Virginia? Lurks Often Jan 2014 #140

I lived in northern Virginia ... It is a well known gun pipeline to other states etherealtruth Jan 2014 #147

The residents of Virginia seem perfectly content with their existing gun laws, Lurks Often Jan 2014 #159

here's a start. spanone Jan 2014 #76

which is not a "gun show loophole" Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #85

and many of these 'private sales' occur at gun shows. spanone Jan 2014 #86

still a private sale Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #155

Take it up with the citizens and legislatures of those states Lurks Often Jan 2014 #131

So long as the gun enthusiasts and gun lobby intimidate the public, not a whole lot. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2014 #160

If you are suggesting that all firearms be banned and removed from the hands of honest citizens ... spin Jan 2014 #94

I am suggesting accountability and uniformity is gun laws etherealtruth Jan 2014 #100

Obviously if your personal preference is "No guns" you will support firearm accountability ... spin Jan 2014 #123

You're asking the wrong question. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2014 #162

That's a fair point Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #163

That WRC anchor that was just asking the on-scene reporter stupid questions is ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #22

Knowing how the laundry is washed nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #25

She's asking questions for which the answers are playing out on the camera feed, as if she doesn't ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #37

The problem is that cameras hire them for looks nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #40

Oh god, the reporters with the chief of police are just a vapid... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #47

Realize, some come from the control room nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #116

What is that, a toy? If you like Hello Kitty you can have more firepower than that.... NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #125

Are the guns okay?! Deep13 Jan 2014 #35

Both the gun and ammo are ok nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #41

I believe they've been arrested and will be charged. Skip Intro Jan 2014 #49

Well as the George Zimmerman case proves, gun nuts often don't believe the shooter has culpability Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #60

culpability alone did not shoot the victims. nt Deep13 Jan 2014 #73

The person pullling the trigger is 100% culpable. Skip Intro Jan 2014 #75

How did this person get this inanimate object, twitched their nose and it appeared? nt boston bean Jan 2014 #79

Why? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2014 #88

Well it goes right to the availability of guns that other PEOPLE, not inanimate boston bean Jan 2014 #91

"Allowing" a gun to another person... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2014 #105

It is the culture of the guns, persons who favor carrying them everywhere, the NRA boston bean Jan 2014 #113

re: "I'm sorry, but something has to change..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2014 #117

No. Skip Intro Jan 2014 #118

Shooting happend inside a skate shop B2G Jan 2014 #98

I wish we could be like Japan, England or Canada shenmue Jan 2014 #103

CNN: Domestic dispute and a shotgun. ManiacJoe Jan 2014 #108

The radio did a good job reporting this justiceischeap Jan 2014 #144

Update B2G Jan 2014 #109

Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it. kestrel91316 Jan 2014 #112

My niece and her hubby live 10 miles from there--15 minute drive--very scary. mnhtnbb Jan 2014 #114

There were also school shooting every single day this week malaise Jan 2014 #126

It has to stop, I just don't know how nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #127

It's frightening malaise Jan 2014 #133

When it does, I suspect it will be seemingly sudden nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #135

At some point these shootings are going to impact Turbineguy Jan 2014 #152