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In reply to the discussion: Another day, another shooting [View all]spin
(17,493 posts)123. Obviously if your personal preference is "No guns" you will support firearm accountability ...
which would mean gun registration.
If on the other hand if you support gun rights, you will strongly oppose gun registration as you will feel that eventually it will be used for gun confiscation.
I doubt that the two sides of the gun registration debate can ever find an acceptable middle ground.
On the issue of gun registration I will simply post the views of my state of Florida expressed in
the 2013 Florida Statutes as I largely agree:
790.335 Prohibition of registration of firearms; electronic records.
The Legislature finds and declares that:
1. The right of individuals to keep and bear arms is guaranteed under both the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and s. 8, Art. I of the State Constitution.
2. A list, record, or registry of legally owned firearms or law-abiding firearm owners is not a law enforcement tool and can become an instrument for profiling, harassing, or abusing law-abiding citizens based on their choice to own a firearm and exercise their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed under the United States Constitution. Further, such a list, record, or registry has the potential to fall into the wrong hands and become a shopping list for thieves.
3. A list, record, or registry of legally owned firearms or law-abiding firearm owners is not a tool for fighting terrorism, but rather is an instrument that can be used as a means to profile innocent citizens and to harass and abuse American citizens based solely on their choice to own firearms and exercise their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed under the United States Constitution.
4. Law-abiding firearm owners whose names have been illegally recorded in a list, record, or registry are entitled to redress.
(b) The Legislature intends through the provisions of this section to:
1. Protect the right of individuals to keep and bear arms as guaranteed under both the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and s. 8, Art. I of the State Constitution.
2. Protect the privacy rights of law-abiding firearm owners.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0790/0790.html
However I feel we could make some significant progress in reducing gun violence if we were able to pass a national requirement that the sale of any firearm would require an NICS background check as commonly run by a licensed dealer for the sale of a new firearm.
I rarely sell any of of my firearm collection and when I do, I have my own rules:
1) The buyer has to be a resident of Florida.
2) The buyer has to have a currently valid Florida concealed weapons permit.
3) I have to have personally known the buyer for at least six months.
The last time I sold any firearms was 8 years ago when I sold several handguns to a co-worker who I had known for several years and also enjoyed target shooting at the same pistol range I visited. Both he and his wife had Florida concealed weapons permits.
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Many people who live in highly populated urban areas have little understanding of hunters. You at least do not believe that hunters are "inherently evil." I have never participated in the sport of hunting but I do live in one of the poorest counties in Florida. Many people here hunt deer and feral hog to stock their freezers with high quality meat used to feed their families.
Feral hogs are considered a pest in Florida as they are not native to the United States and do considerable damage to the environment. They reproduce like rabbits. Prepared properly the meat is very tasty.
Deer are so plentiful that they pose a traffic hazard. A neighbor two houses down from mine totaled her car several years ago when she ran into one. My daughter hit one and dented her fender. My son in law who drives an 18 wheeler views deer as large rodents and damaged his truck when he hit one in Georgia. Two years ago, I almost ran over a herd of deer as I entered a small town late at night near me. Fortunately I had reduced my speed to 35 mph to comply with the town's speed laws.
Hunters help keep the population of deer and hog under control.
Affordable mental health care is very important for many reasons. I agree with you that all too often those with mental health issues are victimized.
Obviously we have some differences on the issue of gun control but I believe we both basically wish to see a reduction in gun violence and tragic mass murders.
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But we're told, even right here on DU, that there is no need to have any fear
taught_me_patience
Jan 2014
#1
Oh, the gun-lickers have their snarky apologetics ready for *any* scale atrocity...
villager
Jan 2014
#93
Actually I am all for gun owners being part of a well regulated militia
nadinbrzezinski
Jan 2014
#19
You don't fucking "rescind" parts of the Constitution. (They're called clues, and can be found
cherokeeprogressive
Jan 2014
#107
yeah go ahead and run for ANY election with that plank as part of your platform
shedevil69taz
Jan 2014
#151
our current nuclear aresenal is over 5,000, so if we fire off one that's 4999 ....
spanone
Jan 2014
#18
alcohol is a problem. guns are a problem. cancer is a problem. hate is a problem.
spanone
Jan 2014
#51
Well I guess that we can both agree that there is no logic in what you said
Bjorn Against
Jan 2014
#55
It is not worth the time or energy trying to discuss this with someone that makes that "argument"
etherealtruth
Jan 2014
#59
We don't need new laws, we need to tax guns to reduce the numbers on the street.
XRubicon
Jan 2014
#64
You're entitled to your opinion, but gun control is losing more battles then it's winning.
Lurks Often
Jan 2014
#161
So you have information that states the shooter got his gun from Virginia?
Lurks Often
Jan 2014
#140
I lived in northern Virginia ... It is a well known gun pipeline to other states
etherealtruth
Jan 2014
#147
The residents of Virginia seem perfectly content with their existing gun laws,
Lurks Often
Jan 2014
#159
So long as the gun enthusiasts and gun lobby intimidate the public, not a whole lot.
Tommy_Carcetti
Jan 2014
#160
If you are suggesting that all firearms be banned and removed from the hands of honest citizens ...
spin
Jan 2014
#94
Obviously if your personal preference is "No guns" you will support firearm accountability ...
spin
Jan 2014
#123
That WRC anchor that was just asking the on-scene reporter stupid questions is
ChisolmTrailDem
Jan 2014
#22
She's asking questions for which the answers are playing out on the camera feed, as if she doesn't
ChisolmTrailDem
Jan 2014
#37
What is that, a toy? If you like Hello Kitty you can have more firepower than that....
NYC_SKP
Jan 2014
#125
Well as the George Zimmerman case proves, gun nuts often don't believe the shooter has culpability
Bjorn Against
Jan 2014
#60
How did this person get this inanimate object, twitched their nose and it appeared? nt
boston bean
Jan 2014
#79
Well it goes right to the availability of guns that other PEOPLE, not inanimate
boston bean
Jan 2014
#91
It is the culture of the guns, persons who favor carrying them everywhere, the NRA
boston bean
Jan 2014
#113