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OrwellwasRight

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71. Yes and no.
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 11:55 AM
Mar 2012

I agree with what you said above, but in the post I originally responded to, you said Henry Ford would have moved all of his production to China if it would have maximized his profits -- and that I disagree with.

If China had been economically developed enough at the time we are talking about (turn of the century) to be capable of pumping out Model-Ts (as they do now with iPhones, etc.), Henry Ford would most assuredly have maximized his profits by moving to there and minimizing his cost for labor--but only in the short run because his moves would not have helped create a market for his goods and helled increased sales. Had he had venture capitalists running his board at the time, they probably would have taken that short term view and forced him to move production overseas. Howevr, since he did not at the time have to answer to investors looking for next quarter's profits, he was able to take a different strategy, with better long term profits. That's one of the differences between short-term and long-term profit maximization. The market incentives of US corporations are to maximize short-term profits. And that is just one of many problems with our economy.

And I agree with all that stuff about the damage done by turning cars into a "necessity," but as I said, that is a different question than the question of what choices a company made about how to remunerate its employees. Frankly, I think the world would be better off if all employers made it a point to ensure that their employees were paid enough to generate demand. That is one of the problems right now -- a global dearth of demand. Sure, it is great for reducing "consumerism," but not great for a world economy built on such consumerism.

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My Nokia N9 smartphone is made in Finland pschoeb Mar 2012 #1
That's nice, what about the rest of the stuff around your house? MadHound Mar 2012 #2
I mostly make my own clothes, pschoeb Mar 2012 #5
Then you are an exception, MadHound Mar 2012 #6
So, you're unemployed, then? nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #13
Sorry, but Nokia has recently moved its cellphone assembly to China frazzled Mar 2012 #36
insert electronic device here DJ13 Mar 2012 #3
LOL Robb Mar 2012 #7
lmao chrisa Mar 2012 #11
eeeeeeeeeeew! I just got that. Pholus Mar 2012 #26
Yep. But, gotta keep that old team rivalry going, huh? freshwest Mar 2012 #4
Thanks, K&R! Zalatix Mar 2012 #8
If electronics were made in America sulphurdunn Mar 2012 #9
When I use TechTool, OnyxCollie Mar 2012 #10
Then you have missed the point. Pholus Mar 2012 #12
So, we're all Republicans now? harmonicon Mar 2012 #15
When your government is beholden to corporations, it most certainly... joshcryer Mar 2012 #19
When did that change happen to the constitution? harmonicon Mar 2012 #20
it's called PLUTOCRACY Skittles Mar 2012 #66
Exactly. harmonicon Mar 2012 #68
I think that's what shocks me because the answer leans "yes." Pholus Mar 2012 #24
Of course it's about increasing corporate profits. harmonicon Mar 2012 #27
Nicely said.... Pholus Mar 2012 #35
Actually not true. OrwellwasRight Mar 2012 #59
I think you're agreeing with me, not disagreeing. harmonicon Mar 2012 #64
Yes and no. OrwellwasRight Mar 2012 #71
I agree. I tried to find dog toys not made in China, but I couldn't. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #14
Try children's toys not made in China. Jennicut Mar 2012 #23
Here you go, a first step. A way to make a difference. Pholus Mar 2012 #25
Paying $80 for a cotton T is stupid. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #28
Ruff Dawg dog toys are made in the USA. OnyxCollie Mar 2012 #48
Just like we can buy coffee that is certified "fair trade" Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #16
It is never "foolish" to denigrate the worst offenders with the most profits. joshcryer Mar 2012 #17
One thing you fail to mention obxhead Mar 2012 #18
Because some poor people think Apple is "cool." MADem Mar 2012 #43
I don't own an iPad or iPhone MadHound Mar 2012 #46
Not owning one, I can't dispute your assertions. MADem Mar 2012 #47
Those folks are called iDouches. Don't be an iDouche! madinmaryland Mar 2012 #60
Ah, is that what I am now, MadHound Mar 2012 #63
Huh? I was referring to the folks you described in your post. Did you say that madinmaryland Mar 2012 #73
Because they can? jeff47 Mar 2012 #44
I'm not fuming in rage. obxhead Mar 2012 #51
And the problem is......? jeff47 Mar 2012 #62
nvm obxhead Mar 2012 #69
The costs are high but where does the money go? Initech Mar 2012 #21
Plus jobs for Americans and a cleaner environment. They're poisoning everywhere that's unregulated judesedit Mar 2012 #22
If you are going to fight a multi-pronged was, best to start with the biggest 'offender' The Straight Story Mar 2012 #29
Some might say ... GeorgeGist Mar 2012 #30
it's the cultish behavior of Apple nuts that drives me crazy. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #31
What is this "cult" you speak of? LiberalLovinLug Mar 2012 #52
You just proved my point. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #53
what point? LiberalLovinLug Mar 2012 #74
Ha! you are so wrong! OVERPAID01 Mar 2012 #32
Which China? You know Taiwan "is" China, yes? MADem Mar 2012 #42
I question the notion that we can bring pressure on corportations. Left Coast2020 Mar 2012 #33
You are one of the few people in this thread making any sense. harmonicon Mar 2012 #34
Amen! Read labels please. Mimosa Mar 2012 #37
The list of non-Chinese electronics in this house is not short. BiggJawn Mar 2012 #38
Ah, another old radio collector. MadHound Mar 2012 #45
Antique Electronic Supply BiggJawn Mar 2012 #49
Rec excuse not to write Mar 2012 #39
There is a new TV manufacturer wilt the stilt Mar 2012 #40
The thing I'm using was made in Taiwan! MADem Mar 2012 #41
If the electronic industry leaders insist on better working conditions, shcrane71 Mar 2012 #50
But corporations will never do that because shareholders will scream. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #54
If shares are going down because people won't purchase items due to shcrane71 Mar 2012 #55
Starts with a false premise. I bought a Samsung LED/LCD monitor yesterday--fabriqué au Mexique. nt Romulox Mar 2012 #56
It's not foolish. You have to start somewhere. OrwellwasRight Mar 2012 #57
And if Apple, the media darling were to take the lead on this Canuckistanian Mar 2012 #61
Exactly! nt. OrwellwasRight Mar 2012 #72
You're comparing two different industries .99center Mar 2012 #58
I have been reading the book, The Help. It was quite popular a couple of years ago. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #65
Made in China is not 100% correct johnd83 Mar 2012 #67
The little booklet protector my US passport sits in... Javaman Mar 2012 #70
Pretty much most electronics..Though I do recycle, repurpose and reuse all I can. Tikki Mar 2012 #75
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