doubling down, back to the wall, hiss hiss (Reply #217)

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Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:37 PM

Whisp (24,096 posts)

217. doubling down, back to the wall, hiss hiss

par for course

The OP just doesn't get it - he is calling Cory a helpless child that the OP has to speak for. That is about as disrespectful as one can get is to assume you can speak for someone else, and speak over with a message opposite of Cory's was.

I wasn't much of a fangirl to begin with - as I know some history of DU.

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321 replies	Author	Time	Post
The Sugar Makes the Poison Taste Sweet [View all]	WilliamPitt	Jan 2014	OP
SO right on, my dear Will.	CaliforniaPeggy	Jan 2014	#1
Damn the torpedos indeed	Fumesucker	Jan 2014	#2
Recommend	jsr	Jan 2014	#3
Super DUrec!!!	PowerToThePeople	Jan 2014	#4
Immensely powerful, thanks. *nt	Alamuti Lotus	Jan 2014	#5
Very good, Will!	LuvNewcastle	Jan 2014	#6
Bravo! This needed to be written about...	KoKo	Jan 2014	#7
You're still misunderstanding, Will.	MineralMan	Jan 2014	#8
It's an attempt to justify the horrible OP. n/t	ProSense	Jan 2014	#10
Yah, well, I'm not reading any more of it. I saw the SOTU.	MineralMan	Jan 2014	#14
Joining you....He is doubling down on this pathetic screed...	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2014	#29
Same here. n/t	FSogol	Jan 2014	#54
doubling down, back to the wall, hiss hiss	Whisp	Jan 2014	#217
Will's point is that this young man should NEVER have been sent on 10 deployments	Lydia Leftcoast	Jan 2014	#67
I believe the young man upted on his own for some of those deployments.	kelliekat44	Jan 2014	#69
Yes sadly we have a society that promotes those sacrifices. Propaganda portrays being a fighting man	rhett o rick	Jan 2014	#112
Good post (per usual) n/t	Titonwan	Jan 2014	#149
Yes, that was President Obama's point, too.	MineralMan	Jan 2014	#73
The real problem is his actions don't match his rhetoric.	cui bono	Jan 2014	#271
but THAT doesn't give ANYONE the right to call him a "tool or prop" He wasn't forced to be there...	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2014	#218
and that is it...	rtracey	Jan 2014	#291
Reminded me of *!	pocoloco	Jan 2014	#98
Honored him? By having him blown up instead of brought home like the majority has wanted since	grahamhgreen	Jan 2014	#101
No, you're the one doesn't get it.	sulphurdunn	Jan 2014	#109
The alternatives are mandatory service for everyone or a draft when it comes	Skidmore	Jan 2014	#122
War preparation	sulphurdunn	Jan 2014	#226
LOL, ok! nt	Logical	Jan 2014	#18
No, to remain a relevant full time anti establishment brand	grantcart	Jan 2014	#51
Awesome! More third way!	Phlem	Jan 2014	#86
Still pushing that "endorsement" line? /nt	Marr	Jan 2014	#125
Are you expecting people to change their minds for political reasons? I know I won't, I haven't	sabrina 1	Jan 2014	#229
He understands perfectly. And just for the record. The Iraq War was NOT a mistake	sabrina 1	Jan 2014	#110
I fiercely stand with you and Will,	Titonwan	Jan 2014	#158
Thank you Titonwan. I agree with everything you said. It is cruel to send soldiers into that	sabrina 1	Jan 2014	#227
I agree with you,MM. Remsburg was not ignored but honored. Showing him and the horrors of war	The Wielding Truth	Jan 2014	#209
I'm crying!	LordGlenconner	Jan 2014	#9
Wait are	ProSense	Jan 2014	#11
He might imply it, but I'll outright say it.	JoeyT	Jan 2014	#22
But you didn't say it "outright."	ProSense	Jan 2014	#23
It is...no doubt about it...	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2014	#30
Wait until he throws his full support behind Hillary.	ProSense	Jan 2014	#38
You are right...THAT will be hilarious....I hope it happens...	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2014	#40
The President is dammed if he do .....	mstinamotorcity2	Jan 2014	#80
yes yes yes and double yes....	BlancheSplanchnik	Jan 2014	#152
Yeah, President Obama is damned by the ODS profiteering	Cha	Jan 2014	#212
Why, what do you think will happen? I will tell him what I think then. I will	sabrina 1	Jan 2014	#111
"Why would think people might have difficulty remaining consistent? "	rhett o rick	Jan 2014	#115
That sums it up.	bvar22	Jan 2014	#153
It's much easier to follow a strong leader than to think for yourself. nm	rhett o rick	Jan 2014	#192
No they did not. Airc using troops at the SOTU used to cause major OUTRAGE on Democratic forums.	sabrina 1	Jan 2014	#230
deflection, much?	grasswire	Jan 2014	#42
calling someone a prop denies their independent agency or is an attack on their choices	arely staircase	Jan 2014	#50
delusional	grasswire	Jan 2014	#55
that was funny nt	arely staircase	Jan 2014	#56
+1 a whole bunch.......nt	Enthusiast	Jan 2014	#102
I second that.	Titonwan	Jan 2014	#161
Spoken like a true apologist.	cui bono	Jan 2014	#273
It is sickening. There has been a lot of sickening stuff around here lately. Good to see it out	sabrina 1	Jan 2014	#113
There is no attack on Corey,	lark	Jan 2014	#52
+1 a whole bunch.......nt	Enthusiast	Jan 2014	#104
You see it too.	Titonwan	Jan 2014	#164
While I can't say I think he was being used by the president as a prop,	JoeyT	Jan 2014	#57
Yeah Will better watchout, all of 20 people from the BOG are gonna get him	bobduca	Jan 2014	#163
Well you know... the can instantaneously win an argument by posting these:	cui bono	Jan 2014	#274
I used to call different opinions "disgusting attacks" too.	LanternWaste	Jan 2014	#91
I can't believe you're saying that.	ReRe	Jan 2014	#278
+1000000 x 1000000	Phlem	Jan 2014	#90
When there are no homeless vets, I'll consider your point.	grahamhgreen	Jan 2014	#103
The Iraq War was NOT FOR OUR FREEDOM! To even imply that is so very wrong.	sabrina 1	Jan 2014	#123
how many time are gou going to post this? nt	arely staircase	Jan 2014	#12
hard to look at, isn't it?	frylock	Jan 2014	#19
it is pretty bad nt	arely staircase	Jan 2014	#21
if bush pulled the same thing at a SOTU, we'd all be singing kumbaya	frylock	Jan 2014	#24
if Bush pointed out the consequences of war like Obama did	arely staircase	Jan 2014	#26
A bit different when it was BUSH that started the war!	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2014	#32
Until it sinks in I hope.	zeemike	Jan 2014	#35
Til the war is over and the war crimes prosecuted, I hope.	grahamhgreen	Jan 2014	#105
How many times are you going to drag right wing sites like Breitbart to DU? I thought	sabrina 1	Jan 2014	#237
to attack them?	arely staircase	Jan 2014	#240
You were calling out Breitbart? I and many others thought you were calling out a DUer!	sabrina 1	Jan 2014	#242
breitbart, fox, frerepublic etc who are saying the president is using a wounded vet as a prop	arely staircase	Jan 2014	#243
I wouldn't know, I don't frequent such vile Right Wing garbage. Rep Peter King and Sarah Palin agree	sabrina 1	Jan 2014	#245
the twisted freaks attacking the president for honoring a wounded vet	arely staircase	Jan 2014	#246
As I said, I give no time, hits, credit to Right Wing garbage sites, why are you doing so?	sabrina 1	Jan 2014	#247
then don't worry about it	arely staircase	Jan 2014	#248
Why is the entire Republican establishment of morons on the same side as the President on	sabrina 1	Jan 2014	#251
put me on ignore	arely staircase	Jan 2014	#252
I don't put anyone on ignore. I can stand up for what I believe in and have no fear of defending my	sabrina 1	Jan 2014	#262
I don't think	Puglover	Jan 2014	#305
Lol, I know what you are talking about, it is one of the funniest demands	sabrina 1	Jan 2014	#306
You know we can infer who you are talking about right?	cui bono	Jan 2014	#276
Maybe he just wanted to give you the opportunity to post another not so subtle name calling OP	cui bono	Jan 2014	#275
You're the author just post the whole thing......or.....	snooper2	Jan 2014	#13
CLICKS FOR truthout(sic).	Cha	Jan 2014	#211
A Fist Full of Clickies	Whisp	Jan 2014	#311
good catch!	Whisp	Jan 2014	#219
Hammer	kentuck	Jan 2014	#15
Everything is a nail when all you have is just a hammer!	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2014	#34
Mmmm	kjones	Jan 2014	#16
Thanks for the link.	ctsnowman	Jan 2014	#17
This message was self-deleted by its author	tridim	Jan 2014	#20
He's no Nance	Capt. Obvious	Jan 2014	#28
Leave her alone. She has nothing to apologize for. n/t	QC	Jan 2014	#48
Of course she doesn't.	Capt. Obvious	Jan 2014	#49
YOU are an example of ODS	Skittles	Jan 2014	#131
You're the poopie head Skittles.	tridim	Jan 2014	#133
I VOTED FOR HIM TWICE TOO	Skittles	Jan 2014	#135
Great! Thanks for the support.	tridim	Jan 2014	#136
well it was a no-brainer both times, right?	Skittles	Jan 2014	#137
Not nearly as addictive as	Titonwan	Jan 2014	#167
Well said. Politicians love to get all weepy over soldiers and corpses they sent to kill and die.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jan 2014	#25
Your ODS is showing	Capt. Obvious	Jan 2014	#27
Ahhh, so he isn't hyping your view I assume? nt	Logical	Jan 2014	#31
no, he's whining because the President didn't use the soldier as a prop, because	geek tragedy	Jan 2014	#63
So now you have reduced yourself to mocking the mother of a dead soldier?	sabrina 1	Jan 2014	#249
Cindy Sheehan is a LaRouchie, so she deserves to be mocked. nt	geek tragedy	Jan 2014	#250
Cindy Sheehan is the mother of a dead soldier who died in Bush's war. You are revealing	sabrina 1	Jan 2014	#255
She is a fucking insane LaRouchie. Her being the mother of a dead soldier	geek tragedy	Jan 2014	#256
She is a grieving mother, a victim of Bush's lies. I fucking don't CARE what her politics are.	sabrina 1	Jan 2014	#258
Sigh.	geek tragedy	Jan 2014	#263
Cindy Sheehan also has a very moving story, maybe you should read it sometime. So does every	sabrina 1	Jan 2014	#266
When DU still believed that unjust wars and liars who promoted them should be called out	Generic Other	Jan 2014	#293
you should really quit	heaven05	Jan 2014	#299
the site	bobduca	Jan 2014	#307
Thank you Capt. Obvious...as usual you see right through it all!	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2014	#36
Cap is being facetious, it's his or her schtick whenever Will is criticized.	great white snark	Jan 2014	#64
Well that's different then....he isn't really Capt Obvious....he is Capt. Obtuse!	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2014	#66
Oh, he's Obvious alright.	JTFrog	Jan 2014	#75
"I guess this time his "facetiousness" is epic fail!"	Capt. Obvious	Jan 2014	#78
Tee hee kee!	Titonwan	Jan 2014	#168
"whenever Will is criticized"	Capt. Obvious	Jan 2014	#79
rec!	SammyWinstonJack	Jan 2014	#33
I'm in 100% agreement.	SamKnause	Jan 2014	#37
Nice that this time, you used Sgt. Remsburg's name...but here's a better-written article about	msanthrope	Jan 2014	#39
Excellent, Will	Oilwellian	Jan 2014	#41
k/r - I think I love you.	840high	Jan 2014	#43
You never loved him!	Rex	Jan 2014	#44
they're the ones with ODS	Skittles	Jan 2014	#134
Just be thankful you can think for yourself.	Rex	Jan 2014	#231
Obama himself would find them embarrassing	Skittles	Jan 2014	#233
I agree and more over he would truly be embarrassed by	Rex	Jan 2014	#260
LOL	Skittles	Jan 2014	#264
I am pretty certain that he would.	Puglover	Jan 2014	#297
President Obama "made me sick in my soul"	geek tragedy	Jan 2014	#45
he made my eyes rain! nt	arely staircase	Jan 2014	#53
Okay. I'm sorry. I was about to get all disgusted with this thread and then I saw your post	Number23	Jan 2014	#100
This message was self-deleted by its author	tridim	Jan 2014	#59
what matters isn't the fact that President Obama vigorously defended	geek tragedy	Jan 2014	#61
I bet $10 million ODS $$$ you're right, geek.	Cha	Jan 2014	#119
did you see that Fox News plagiarized Will's post? nt	geek tragedy	Jan 2014	#121
And, why wouldn't they.. it's faux enough	Cha	Jan 2014	#140
Nailed it, Cha!	sheshe2	Jan 2014	#228
Forget the 'propping' now we are into the 'profiting': A Fistful of Clickies:	Whisp	Jan 2014	#303
Beautiful post, Cha!	sheshe2	Jan 2014	#172
Thank you, sheshe~	Cha	Jan 2014	#208
I wonder if that sick soul will get well.	Whisp	Jan 2014	#259
+1 nt	Adrahil	Jan 2014	#290
The people who NEED to read this, the whores who occupy Congress and Washington	DainBramaged	Jan 2014	#46
Ah Will, you still fight the good fight.	Autumn	Jan 2014	#47
Ayuh, I know	Titonwan	Jan 2014	#173
Shame you're delving into fiction now and doubling down on the hatred is deplorable.	great white snark	Jan 2014	#58
Again!	Phlem	Jan 2014	#85
Despite the Teapublicans assertions to the contrary	lapfog_1	Jan 2014	#60
Thank you for being rational, lapfog. Your post deserves its own OP, imo.	Hekate	Jan 2014	#76
+1, only one using him as a prop is OP	joshcryer	Jan 2014	#99
bravo....	mike_c	Jan 2014	#62
You have your opinion, I have mine which is radically different. I won't insult you but tell you I	uppityperson	Jan 2014	#65
LOL	DevonRex	Jan 2014	#68
It's been nice the past few years to see you getting back --	Hell Hath No Fury	Jan 2014	#70
I second this	BelgianMadCow	Jan 2014	#89
Ha ha. Superb, brah. I'm there, too.	Titonwan	Jan 2014	#182
I agree with you Will. Keep up the good fight.	Owl	Jan 2014	#71
The Hater Honeypot to attract the sordid flies. nt	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2014	#72
What ever.	Phlem	Jan 2014	#84
Bwahaha!	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2014	#160
What's so funny,	Phlem	Jan 2014	#180
Take these	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2014	#292
the differences are there to get you to vote for the similarites	MisterP	Jan 2014	#74
Some folks are just plain addicted to the sugar high	1000words	Jan 2014	#77
They must be frustrated because it isn't working anymore. n/t	sabrina 1	Jan 2014	#239
For me, it's become a comedy act	1000words	Jan 2014	#241
Great Job Will.	Phlem	Jan 2014	#81
recommend	frwrfpos	Jan 2014	#82
so when the last combat troops are withdrawn	onethatcares	Jan 2014	#83
Both were wars fought for political PR and doomed to fail.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jan 2014	#88
The illusion has been broken	Ichingcarpenter	Jan 2014	#87
Word! That's precisely what I though when I saw the OP	BelgianMadCow	Jan 2014	#92
agreed	G_j	Jan 2014	#93
New York was made to be frack free....	PowerToThePeople	Jan 2014	#95
How completely awesome!	Enthusiast	Jan 2014	#107
bravo	G_j	Jan 2014	#118
SSSSSSssscooooorrrre!	BelgianMadCow	Jan 2014	#179
After fifty tours in America	polynomial	Jan 2014	#94
"A room filled with the worst people in the country".	alsame	Jan 2014	#96
HE VOLUNTEERED.	secondwind	Jan 2014	#97
Why don't you	grahamhgreen	Jan 2014	#106
Ah yes! Your faux outrage...	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#108
Yeah, who's using SFC Cory Remsburg as	Cha	Jan 2014	#139
this is disgusting	Skittles	Jan 2014	#142
I thought the exact same thing about the OP...	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#234
you're missing the whole point	Skittles	Jan 2014	#235
No I'm not missing the point...	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#254
AGAIN	Skittles	Jan 2014	#265
Bullshit.	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#267
done here	Skittles	Jan 2014	#269
Good enough...	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#270
what exactly is Will's "flawed agenda", pray tell? nt	grasswire	Jan 2014	#277
I verge on agreeing re:Pitt. Over time, political opinion writers seem to just write to their	KittyWampus	Jan 2014	#289
Hey, Fox News has picked up your talking point, Will & Co.	geek tragedy	Jan 2014	#114
I thought you trashed this thread? nt	Union Scribe	Jan 2014	#138
Hitler liked dogs	Skittles	Jan 2014	#143
No, just pointing out the fact that Fox News reacted the same	geek tragedy	Jan 2014	#146
who the fuck cares what Fox News thinks???	Skittles	Jan 2014	#148
eh?	Whisp	Jan 2014	#261
Kee!	Titonwan	Jan 2014	#187
it is desperation to justify the indefensible	Skittles	Jan 2014	#223
Fuck fox and anyone spewing their fucking ignorant	Cha	Jan 2014	#210
That's what a lot of people on here do. But they direct them at other DUers.	cui bono	Jan 2014	#279
William Rivers Pitt	Crewleader	Jan 2014	#116
When Crew speaks the rest of DU ought to listen	Generic Other	Jan 2014	#313
Thanks Friend	Crewleader	Jan 2014	#316
The only reason I would have the draft is because that would end the war tommorrow.	marble falls	Jan 2014	#117
Of course it would!	Titonwan	Jan 2014	#190
History shows it never has and rather than working to get congress to pass an equitable draft none	uppityperson	Jan 2014	#197
And now a word	ProSense	Jan 2014	#120
Also, please	ProSense	Jan 2014	#124
Nailed it! n/t	sheshe2	Jan 2014	#225
Yes	Agony	Jan 2014	#126
No	ProSense	Jan 2014	#129
nibbling at the edges while an Apollo Program is required	Agony	Jan 2014	#170
Yup,	ProSense	Jan 2014	#177
There you go again changing the subject...	Agony	Jan 2014	#186
How is it	ProSense	Jan 2014	#188
THANK YOU	Skittles	Jan 2014	#127
The loyalists dont recognize that rhetoric is a tool used by politicians in speeches.	rhett o rick	Jan 2014	#128
The haters don't recognize that the OP is hyperbolic silliness. n/t	ProSense	Jan 2014	#132
I'm trying to decide whether to tweet this or not.	DevonRex	Jan 2014	#191
The haters are too busy spewing hatred toward whistle-blowers. Asking for	rhett o rick	Jan 2014	#195
Fuck Snowden.	ProSense	Jan 2014	#196
I think that pretty well sums up your complete intellectual argument. nm	rhett o rick	Jan 2014	#199
As a vet I am offended.	Titonwan	Jan 2014	#194
TPP is political leveraging with Asia and Russia.	joshcryer	Jan 2014	#281
I agree with your post and hope you didnt think I was calling you a loyalist.	rhett o rick	Jan 2014	#295
That's the crux of it...	KoKo	Jan 2014	#300
"those vets that line our streets in the rain begging for food" ...	L0oniX	Jan 2014	#314
I am glad that I skipped the speech.	AngryAmish	Jan 2014	#130
Thanks, Will, for eloquently standing up for DU values	radiclib	Jan 2014	#141
When did "DU values" become hate and hyperbole? n/t	ProSense	Jan 2014	#144
Nice try	radiclib	Jan 2014	#150
Oh,	ProSense	Jan 2014	#154
Of course. He voted for him, so he can't criticize him.	radiclib	Jan 2014	#156
Sure, he can	ProSense	Jan 2014	#159
Exact quote:	radiclib	Jan 2014	#162
LOL!	ProSense	Jan 2014	#165
When did you join again? that date.	bobduca	Jan 2014	#169
"Member since: Fri Jan 6, 2012, 08:25 PM "	ProSense	Jan 2014	#171
Aww thanks you are so welcoming and pleasant when not working your job!	bobduca	Jan 2014	#174
Why are you talking to yourself?	ProSense	Jan 2014	#178
because i keep you on full ignore and it becomes difficult sometimes	bobduca	Jan 2014	#181
LOL!	ProSense	Jan 2014	#185
When the conservatives crawled into our tent.	rhett o rick	Jan 2014	#198
So you admit this is about hate and hyperbole?	ProSense	Jan 2014	#203
The gains? Oh that's right corporate profits are at an all time high. The Corporatists	rhett o rick	Jan 2014	#236
Mostly since you showed up	Generic Other	Jan 2014	#296
You know what	ProSense	Jan 2014	#298
That is exactly what you expect of us	Generic Other	Jan 2014	#310
they will care again in three years	Skittles	Jan 2014	#147
In "three years," it will be	ProSense	Jan 2014	#151
Until she gets tossed under the bus...	sheshe2	Jan 2014	#175
As a vet	Titonwan	Jan 2014	#145
DURec.	bvar22	Jan 2014	#155
Another Kick...for a well written article that must Resonate	KoKo	Jan 2014	#157
Post removed	Post removed	Jan 2014	#183
+10000	bobduca	Jan 2014	#184
Thanks bobduca	Phlem	Jan 2014	#205
Sorry bob...	sheshe2	Jan 2014	#238
So what?	cui bono	Jan 2014	#282
I can still see it,	bvar22	Jan 2014	#302
Yup	Titonwan	Jan 2014	#200
Welcome to DU	Phlem	Jan 2014	#204
I've been a member for a long time, brah.	Titonwan	Jan 2014	#206
Nice!	Phlem	Jan 2014	#207
Pathetic attempt at a recovery	Whisp	Jan 2014	#166
Kick	bobduca	Jan 2014	#176
It seems that the posts in this thread have a common theme.	blue neen	Jan 2014	#189
Close.	Phlem	Jan 2014	#193
Oh? I didn't realize there were "sides".	blue neen	Jan 2014	#213
OK then,	Phlem	Jan 2014	#216
+1	WilliamPitt	Jan 2014	#215
I think I am tired of blind worship	Skittles	Jan 2014	#232
One worships gods not presidents	Generic Other	Jan 2014	#312
Apparently you have not been assimilated.	L0oniX	Jan 2014	#317
Beatles' "Nowhere Man:"	blkmusclmachine	Jan 2014	#201
Funny you should say that.	WilliamPitt	Jan 2014	#214
"Yup. Here we go. Again."	Agony	Jan 2014	#220
Oh give me a break.	Phlem	Jan 2014	#221
This message was self-deleted by its author	WilliamPitt	Jan 2014	#224
.	ProSense	Jan 2014	#284
From your link	Titonwan	Jan 2014	#222
This message was self-deleted by its author	blkmusclmachine	Jan 2014	#202
I'm not sure what you want of him.	davidthegnome	Jan 2014	#244
You know, I really liked what you had to say!	akbacchus_BC	Jan 2014	#257
Mr. Pitt! I have no idea what you want President Obama to do	akbacchus_BC	Jan 2014	#253
Can't. Be. Fixed.	DeSwiss	Jan 2014	#268
And it goes all the way to the core.	LuvNewcastle	Jan 2014	#272
Locust here, your article is pretty embarrassing.	joshcryer	Jan 2014	#280
"Embarrassing" isn't on the radar for the kewl opportunist.	ProSense	Jan 2014	#285
your words and delivery	heaven05	Jan 2014	#283
......	Hotler	Jan 2014	#286
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jan 2014	#287
K&R....	daleanime	Jan 2014	#288
My husband and I always groan	Puglover	Jan 2014	#294
"Just a spoonful of sugar...	polichick	Jan 2014	#301
His tenth deployment. We all know this is happening	mountain grammy	Jan 2014	#304
Up	WilliamPitt	Jan 2014	#308
We luv you anyway.	L0oniX	Jan 2014	#315
Kick for a great article.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jan 2014	#309
Crewleader's kick	Crewleader	Jan 2014	#318
K&R	woo me with science	Jan 2014	#319
Hey, I wanted to K&R.	rhett o rick	Jan 2014	#320
kick	woo me with science	Feb 2014	#321

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