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grantcart

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75. lol well that analogy might have been useful if Moses had voiced an interest in an official office
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 02:15 PM
Mar 2012

of Germany.


In this case Joseph Smith not only invisioned a theocracy but he actually was an independent candidate for President in 1844.

Joseph Smith advocated for a system called Theodemocracy



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodemocracy

He instituted the Council of Fifty as the group that was responsible for implementing it.


The Council of Fifty (also known as the Living Constitution, the Kingdom of God, or its name by revelation, The Kingdom of God and His Laws with the Keys and Power thereof, and Judgment in the Hands of His Servants, Ahman Christ)[1] was a Latter Day Saint organization established by Joseph Smith, Jr. in 1844 to symbolize and represent a future theocratic or theodemocratic "Kingdom of God" on the earth.[2] Smith and his successor Brigham Young hoped to create this Kingdom in preparation for the Millennium and the Second Coming of Jesus. The political Kingdom of God, organized around the Council of Fifty, was meant to be a force of peace and order in the midst of this chaos. According to Mormon teachings, while Jesus himself would be king of this new world government, its structure was in fact to be quasi-republican and multi-denominational; therefore, the early Council of Fifty included both Mormons and non-Mormons.[3] Although the Council played a significant role during the last few months of Joseph Smith's life, particularly in his campaign for President of the United States, the Council's role was mostly symbolic throughout the 19th century within The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This was largely because the Council was primarily meant for a time when secular governments had ceased to function. Regular meetings of the Council ended in 1884, after the church publicly abandoned its theocratic aspirations. The organization was technically extinguished when its last member, Heber J. Grant, died in 1945.[4]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Fifty



My Great great great great grand uncle Heber J Grant was the last living member of that council.

Now do you still think that there are any real analogies to 'Jews' in Germany?

Do you still think that questions about how modern Mormons think about the political aspirations of their founder are beyond reasonable speculation.

The fact is that most people don't realize that from the begining the Mormon Church had a political agenda and arm.

If I had wanted to do a hit peace about Mormons I would have talked about their thugs, the Danites, and their involvment in mass murder at the Meadow Moutain Massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danite

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meadow_Mountain_Massacre

If it is unfair to ask Romney about his Mormon religion would it be fair to ask him about Joseph Smith's platform as President?

http://www.latterdayconservative.com/joseph-smith/general-smiths-views-of-the-power-and-policy-of-the-government/

Does he think that Congress should be reduced?

Does he think that all convicts should be pardoned "blessing them as they go, and saying to them, in the name of the Lord, go thy way and sin no more? . . Abolish the cruel custom of prisons (except in certain cases,) penitentiaries, and court martials for desertion."

Finally my ancestor quoting Joseph Smith



http://www.latterdayconservative.com/quote/tyler-350-quoted-by-jedediah-m-grant/

We are friendly to our country, and when we speak of the flag of our Union, we love it, and we love the rights the Constitution guarantees to every citizen. What did the Prophet Joseph say? When the Constitution shall be tottering we shall be the people to save it from the hand of the foe.




I think its fair to ask Romney if he thinks that HE is the one that Smith prophesized would be the one to save it from the hand of the foe.

Seems relevant to me, and not at all like anything from Mein Kempf.

If you don't think that the Mormons aren't aware of this and aren't talking about this among themselves then look at the very high views that this thread has gotten and the fact that at least three different Mormons have signed up for DU simply to get on this thread and try to label it as 'psycho babble'.

Most people just are not aware that political action has been at the core of Mormonism since Smith. Romney doesn't care about any of the policies that he happens to be quoting, he is trying to go down in Mormon history as the one that brought the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval to the Mormon Church.

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In other words his religion is all that matters malaise Mar 2012 #1
thanks grantcart Mar 2012 #5
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #29
I think he supported his analysis very well Hawkowl Mar 2012 #30
I would welcome some action by Obama that is "socialist or latent Communist"... immoderate Mar 2012 #35
"You democrats"? radiclib Mar 2012 #47
This is indeed an excellent post. madaboutharry Mar 2012 #2
Interesting insight postulater Mar 2012 #3
Great post Wellstone ruled Mar 2012 #4
Wellstone ruled Diclotican Mar 2012 #7
grantcart Diclotican Mar 2012 #6
Now you made me think of my old Rambler American eridani Mar 2012 #8
Lust for Power excuse not to write Mar 2012 #9
Yeah the religious thing doesn't get enough scrutiny from the press. craigmatic Mar 2012 #10
This seems to mesh pretty well with a Salon column on Romney and the White Horse prophecy: highplainsdem Mar 2012 #11
She is extremely well informed about inner Mormon ambitions. grantcart Mar 2012 #13
I wish more people knew about this Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #36
That is an excellent article. Lone_Star_Dem Mar 2012 #54
thats the most plausible answer to the question pnwest Mar 2012 #12
This is fascintating and frightening. He really doesn't seem to give a fuck about Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2012 #14
Thanks very much for this insight! eom BlueMTexpat Mar 2012 #15
This is something that you should write about on blogs as well davidpdx Mar 2012 #16
It literally is a bridge to nowhere. grantcart Mar 2012 #18
Kick for the morning crowd n/t malaise Mar 2012 #23
If the world were flat and there was an edge... davidpdx Mar 2012 #67
Good information K & R n/t Aerows Mar 2012 #17
Psycho-historical fantasy Nayajja Mar 2012 #19
Whom are you supporting? Thank you for answering. uppityperson Mar 2012 #31
you forgot to welcome him to DU! grantcart Mar 2012 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author grantcart Mar 2012 #34
Until the day comes where LDS is as accepted as the RCC Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #37
You wouldn't have heard the term 'bridges' unless you talked with me grantcart Mar 2012 #38
Wow, thankyou for that breakdown LiberalLovinLug Mar 2012 #50
Came here from META, but I just have to say... MADem Mar 2012 #76
was this thread referenced on META? grantcart Mar 2012 #79
Yes it was... MADem Mar 2012 #80
what was the thread in HM? grantcart Mar 2012 #81
This one. MADem Mar 2012 #82
Welcome to DU mackattack Mar 2012 #77
I coulda sworn hfojvt Mar 2012 #20
I heard once that the Mormon church had declare war on America notadmblnd Mar 2012 #21
Well that was a very long time ago and a very involved issue grantcart Mar 2012 #43
Very interesting and informative PatSeg Mar 2012 #22
Fascinating... RevStPatrick Mar 2012 #24
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #25
Did you read the ToS when you joined us? tkmorris Mar 2012 #28
Its Time To Do Some Reseach On Your Own JL Fuller Mar 2012 #26
Uh...No Hawkowl Mar 2012 #32
He's ppr'd. We are getting an influx today here on this. Interesting. uppityperson Mar 2012 #33
Damn I wish I had got here in time to take him apart. grantcart Mar 2012 #41
Sorry. uppityperson Mar 2012 #45
another arrived down stream grantcart Mar 2012 #46
That is the theory. Not sure why they like this thread, but there you go. uppityperson Mar 2012 #48
The Romney campaign is probably watching for threads like this. highplainsdem Mar 2012 #49
Yes well they are not really understanding how Google works apparently. grantcart Mar 2012 #51
Actually a great deal of Mormon migration was from outside the US grantcart Mar 2012 #40
Ahhh Hawkowl Mar 2012 #53
I studied at Princeton Seminary and learned to read the Bible in Greek and Hebrew grantcart Mar 2012 #39
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #27
Very interesting POV about Rmoney's campaign for presidency usrname Mar 2012 #42
Dum.. dum dum dum LiberalLovinLug Mar 2012 #52
An intriguing point of view on the matter. Lone_Star_Dem Mar 2012 #55
It certainly has gotten under somebody's skin grantcart Mar 2012 #57
My mother was raised Mormon sulphurdunn Mar 2012 #56
Spam deleted by Ian David (MIR Team) baguioboy Mar 2012 #58
just so we are clear, you're saying you want mitt to win over obama? La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2012 #60
Spam deleted by Ian David (MIR Team) baguioboy Mar 2012 #68
Only if you define "moderate" as completely opposed and reactionary TBF Mar 2012 #69
It's so refreshing to find people who are only MODERATELY bigoted. n/t Ian David Mar 2012 #73
love it. nt La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2012 #78
Holy magic underoos Batman! Reading some of these replies is like Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2012 #59
pssst... hootinholler Mar 2012 #61
Hopefully it makes more sense now. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2012 #62
interesting and insightful hypothesis. bkmrkd. thanks Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #63
I think he's there to keep the campaign going until the real nominee shows up. BlueIris Mar 2012 #64
That's what I thought but there are no whispers about it and they would have started the grantcart Mar 2012 #85
thanks for your elequent explanations.. oldhippydude Mar 2012 #65
thanks for your comment grantcart Mar 2012 #66
And even if you accept the "weirdness" - as any religion could probably be described as such TBF Mar 2012 #70
If you accept the basic Existential proposition that Kierkegaard and other Christian Theologians grantcart Mar 2012 #72
You stole this from Mein Kampf and switched jews for mormons didn't you ? The Straight Story Mar 2012 #71
lol well that analogy might have been useful if Moses had voiced an interest in an official office grantcart Mar 2012 #75
interesting thread, thanks Kali Mar 2012 #74
Grantcart... nice to meet you! DippyDem Mar 2012 #83
thanks and welcome to DU grantcart Mar 2012 #84
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