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In reply to the discussion: Why I think Mitt Romney is running for President. [View all]grantcart
(53,061 posts)75. lol well that analogy might have been useful if Moses had voiced an interest in an official office
of Germany.
In this case Joseph Smith not only invisioned a theocracy but he actually was an independent candidate for President in 1844.
Joseph Smith advocated for a system called Theodemocracy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodemocracy
He instituted the Council of Fifty as the group that was responsible for implementing it.
The Council of Fifty (also known as the Living Constitution, the Kingdom of God, or its name by revelation, The Kingdom of God and His Laws with the Keys and Power thereof, and Judgment in the Hands of His Servants, Ahman Christ)[1] was a Latter Day Saint organization established by Joseph Smith, Jr. in 1844 to symbolize and represent a future theocratic or theodemocratic "Kingdom of God" on the earth.[2] Smith and his successor Brigham Young hoped to create this Kingdom in preparation for the Millennium and the Second Coming of Jesus. The political Kingdom of God, organized around the Council of Fifty, was meant to be a force of peace and order in the midst of this chaos. According to Mormon teachings, while Jesus himself would be king of this new world government, its structure was in fact to be quasi-republican and multi-denominational; therefore, the early Council of Fifty included both Mormons and non-Mormons.[3] Although the Council played a significant role during the last few months of Joseph Smith's life, particularly in his campaign for President of the United States, the Council's role was mostly symbolic throughout the 19th century within The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This was largely because the Council was primarily meant for a time when secular governments had ceased to function. Regular meetings of the Council ended in 1884, after the church publicly abandoned its theocratic aspirations. The organization was technically extinguished when its last member, Heber J. Grant, died in 1945.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Fifty
My Great great great great grand uncle Heber J Grant was the last living member of that council.
Now do you still think that there are any real analogies to 'Jews' in Germany?
Do you still think that questions about how modern Mormons think about the political aspirations of their founder are beyond reasonable speculation.
The fact is that most people don't realize that from the begining the Mormon Church had a political agenda and arm.
If I had wanted to do a hit peace about Mormons I would have talked about their thugs, the Danites, and their involvment in mass murder at the Meadow Moutain Massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danite
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meadow_Mountain_Massacre
If it is unfair to ask Romney about his Mormon religion would it be fair to ask him about Joseph Smith's platform as President?
http://www.latterdayconservative.com/joseph-smith/general-smiths-views-of-the-power-and-policy-of-the-government/
Does he think that Congress should be reduced?
Does he think that all convicts should be pardoned "blessing them as they go, and saying to them, in the name of the Lord, go thy way and sin no more? . . Abolish the cruel custom of prisons (except in certain cases,) penitentiaries, and court martials for desertion."
Finally my ancestor quoting Joseph Smith
http://www.latterdayconservative.com/quote/tyler-350-quoted-by-jedediah-m-grant/
We are friendly to our country, and when we speak of the flag of our Union, we love it, and we love the rights the Constitution guarantees to every citizen. What did the Prophet Joseph say? When the Constitution shall be tottering we shall be the people to save it from the hand of the foe.
I think its fair to ask Romney if he thinks that HE is the one that Smith prophesized would be the one to save it from the hand of the foe.
Seems relevant to me, and not at all like anything from Mein Kempf.
If you don't think that the Mormons aren't aware of this and aren't talking about this among themselves then look at the very high views that this thread has gotten and the fact that at least three different Mormons have signed up for DU simply to get on this thread and try to label it as 'psycho babble'.
Most people just are not aware that political action has been at the core of Mormonism since Smith. Romney doesn't care about any of the policies that he happens to be quoting, he is trying to go down in Mormon history as the one that brought the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval to the Mormon Church.
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I would welcome some action by Obama that is "socialist or latent Communist"...
immoderate
Mar 2012
#35
This seems to mesh pretty well with a Salon column on Romney and the White Horse prophecy:
highplainsdem
Mar 2012
#11
This is fascintating and frightening. He really doesn't seem to give a fuck about
Guy Whitey Corngood
Mar 2012
#14
I studied at Princeton Seminary and learned to read the Bible in Greek and Hebrew
grantcart
Mar 2012
#39
just so we are clear, you're saying you want mitt to win over obama?
La Lioness Priyanka
Mar 2012
#60
I think he's there to keep the campaign going until the real nominee shows up.
BlueIris
Mar 2012
#64
That's what I thought but there are no whispers about it and they would have started the
grantcart
Mar 2012
#85
And even if you accept the "weirdness" - as any religion could probably be described as such
TBF
Mar 2012
#70
If you accept the basic Existential proposition that Kierkegaard and other Christian Theologians
grantcart
Mar 2012
#72
You stole this from Mein Kampf and switched jews for mormons didn't you ?
The Straight Story
Mar 2012
#71