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truedelphi

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1. Other nations have very strong tariff systems in place.

Sun Feb 2, 2014, 07:02 PM

Feb 2014

Which might be why our elected puppets want a secret, non-transparent "Trade Agreement " like the TPP. I imagine that it is going to ensure that other nations are not allowed tariffs. And the TPP sure won't restore a decent tariff system here.

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Tariffs were very strong American worker wage protection, HENCE corporations hate tariffs. [View all] livingwagenow Feb 2014 OP

Other nations have very strong tariff systems in place. truedelphi Feb 2014 #1

Couldn't agree more! K&R It's pretty simple, B Calm Feb 2014 #2

+100. closeupready Feb 2014 #3

No. Getting rid of high tariffs was a big progressive win in the early 20th century. pampango Feb 2014 #4

"high tariffs" are one thing; like any other regulation, tariffs can and should be used TheFrenchRazor Feb 2014 #5

Ah, yes, you again, with the corporate propaganda brentspeak Feb 2014 #6

+1 B Calm Feb 2014 #7

I think FDR was a "globalist" too so the term does not bother me. n/t pampango Feb 2014 #9

Yes the RTAA was FDR's first step in reversing high tariffs followed by GATT and the ITO. pampango Feb 2014 #8

"corporations thrived under high tariffs then at the expense of the working class" brentspeak Feb 2014 #22

Exactly. Historically corporations have thrived and the working class suffered under both high and pampango Feb 2014 #26

You might need a lifesaver jacket brentspeak Feb 2014 #29

The VAT is not a tariff. The VAT effects the final cost of imports and domestic products equally. pampango Feb 2014 #31

You continue to make stuff up brentspeak Feb 2014 #32

Fine. So the "Import Turnover Tax" is "the equal of the domestic VAT". When you combine the two pampango Feb 2014 #33

I see you've thrown in the towel brentspeak Feb 2014 #34

You are really good at titles for your posts. :) pampango Feb 2014 #48

There is no voter "partisan attitude" about US policy towards China brentspeak Feb 2014 #50

Yes there is. Even the poll you reference shows republicans want more to 'get tough' with China. pampango Feb 2014 #53

Doesn't say much about the quality of your posts here brentspeak Feb 2014 #58

Ditto. The links you posted to make your case were to posts from a "banned troll". pampango Feb 2014 #60

You just nailed the problem with modern "free trade" agreements Armstead Feb 2014 #24

"What do you think these current "free trade" agreements are intended to do?" pampango Feb 2014 #27

Motives and sources of power are what is really important Armstead Feb 2014 #28

Are you really suggesting that the global economy in the 1920's - 1930's has any Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #51

I believe that history is relevant. And I believe that the experience of other countries is too. pampango Feb 2014 #54

So, you choose to ignore the question. Completely expected. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #55

You asked: "Are you really suggesting that the global economy in the 1920's - 1930's has any pampango Feb 2014 #56

Thanks for answering. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #57

kick B Calm Feb 2014 #10

Let me know how you plan to re-implement tariffs... Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #11

Want to be more specific on raw materials and energy we need? B Calm Feb 2014 #12

Nine million barrels of oil a day, for a start Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #13

The earth receives enough energy from the sun in B Calm Feb 2014 #14

Let me know when you have enough installed solar capacity for that. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #15

I say we start with the tariffs, maybe then we could B Calm Feb 2014 #16

Tariffs lead to trade wars. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #17

If we just had FAIR tariffs it would be a huge start! B Calm Feb 2014 #18

Define "fair"? Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #19

Not laissez-faire capitalism! B Calm Feb 2014 #20

So... Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #21

No - Fair means developing nations do not become colonies of multinational corporations Armstead Feb 2014 #25

Considering that we are the #1 exporter of raw materials to China brentspeak Feb 2014 #23

We export virtually zero oil. mathematic Feb 2014 #30

The US does not export oil. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #35

Uh, we import crude when we really don't need to brentspeak Feb 2014 #36

I see you don't understand economics. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #37

You claimed that the US can't produce 9 million barrels of oil/day brentspeak Feb 2014 #38

I linked you to figures that say the US doesn't. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #39

That wasn't you who said we need "9 million barrels/day"? brentspeak Feb 2014 #40

Either you're being wilfully obtuse or you're remarkably dense Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #41

So when you said that we need to produce 9 million barrels/day brentspeak Feb 2014 #42

No, I said the US needs to import nine million barrels a day. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #43

What I'd prefer you to clear up brentspeak Feb 2014 #44

Who said anything about tariffs on China? Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #45

The OP did not say uniform tariffs on every country for every product Armstead Feb 2014 #46

Again, you clearly don't understand economics. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #47

re introduce tariffs frwrfpos Feb 2014 #49

Only two of the DU Corporate Warrior Brigade? It was a Sunday, I suppose. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #52

Free trade = Chineses wages + American prices - good jobs. nt TheFrenchRazor Feb 2014 #59