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sibelian

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81. It's from a stock of diversionary tactics.

Sun Feb 9, 2014, 05:56 AM

Feb 2014

It doesn't explain or devalue anything that Greenwald or any of the other individuals typically accused of it have actually done, it just shifts the focus of the discussion to a different topic.

It doesn't mean anything and it doesn't matter.

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Because Glenn Greenwald is who he is, NSA spying is fine [View all] MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 OP

I don't think people are saying that. iandhr Feb 2014 #1

The implication is clear. Bonobo Feb 2014 #2

I trust his reporting on the NSA joshcryer Feb 2014 #3

Release the unredacted files and confirm the worst accusations of treason and carelessness? nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #4

or trickle it out over time joshcryer Feb 2014 #5

No, I do not think Manning committed treason and was careless. Bonobo Feb 2014 #6

They would be wrong. joshcryer Feb 2014 #10

Damned if you do, damned if you don't? Either he's taking too long, or he's just being careless? nt Electric Monk Feb 2014 #7

That was bonobo characterizing it as careless. joshcryer Feb 2014 #9

No, that was Bonobo explaining that other people have characterized it as careless. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #12

I assumed by "confirm the worst accusations" you believed that. joshcryer Feb 2014 #13

Odd assumption. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #14

I would've said "trigger" not "confirm." joshcryer Feb 2014 #15

Ever hear the phrase "confirm in some people's minds"? nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #17

Nope. joshcryer Feb 2014 #18

Wow, did this ever get off topic :O Electric Monk Feb 2014 #19

Not really. joshcryer Feb 2014 #22

Wait. Chelsea Manning is not a journalist and Wikileaks is still releasing documents REDACTED Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #52

Wikileaks posted the entire unradacated cable database joshcryer Feb 2014 #74

No they did not. The Guardian posted the key to the unredacted docs but Wikileaks Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #75

No they didn't, yes they did? joshcryer Feb 2014 #78

You can't have it both ways. sendero Feb 2014 #98

"Backing down"? Bonobo Feb 2014 #31

'confirm' is only read that way to me joshcryer Feb 2014 #73

Wait wut? I missed that big moment when all of them were released. Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #49

every cable was released joshcryer Feb 2014 #72

Should Gellman release all the files that he has? Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #76

Yes. joshcryer Feb 2014 #79

Nobody who conceives of society in a realistic manner thinks anybody's a saint TransitJohn Feb 2014 #42

What rot logic. As if the lawyers for the ACLU had a "friendhship" with the Skokie Nazis. Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #65

Yep. RobertEarl Feb 2014 #8

Up is down and down is up. ReRe Feb 2014 #11

mock 3rd way all you want. 8 years of Clinton was demonstrably better than 12 years of Reagan Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #16

You should put that in your profile. nt Electric Monk Feb 2014 #20

there's a lot you should put in your profile Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #21

tempt me more, why don't you... Electric Monk Feb 2014 #23

That's certainly damning with faint praise Fumesucker Feb 2014 #24

yes it is. but it is realistic fact that winning with 3rd way was better Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #25

It's really a sad commentary that twenty years later we are no wiser and can do no better Fumesucker Feb 2014 #26

the last time a rather liberal Dem got the nomination, he was steamrolled in 1988 Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #27

I wonder where you get that attitude. Apparently you think you're in some inner circles. Please... Electric Monk Feb 2014 #28

It's really too bad that Democrats need the liberals to win elections Fumesucker Feb 2014 #30

It is equally sad when they say Al Gore is not a liberal Rex Feb 2014 #51

Or in Congress, or state and local offices treestar Feb 2014 #45

Yeah and our first liberal POTUS Al Gore was ran out of office Rex Feb 2014 #50

D does not have to stand for defeatist Armstead Feb 2014 #92

gee, that's too bad, but it does not stop Republicans treestar Feb 2014 #46

Yeah and look at the Reagan Dems...still stuck in the same mode. Rex Feb 2014 #53

It was? MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #41

Demonstrably better for whom? TransitJohn Feb 2014 #43

Well in all fairness Rex Feb 2014 #54

Yeah, a broken leg is better than two broken legs. progressoid Feb 2014 #47

In the same way that 8lbs of rubbish is demonstrably better than 12lbs of garbage. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #70

What simplistic bullshit leftynyc Feb 2014 #29

Why is "narcissistic" ALWAYS the place that people go to when they want to undermine a person Bonobo Feb 2014 #32

Only a malcontended narcisssist would think that the status quo is not perfect Fumesucker Feb 2014 #33

The best of all possible worlds! MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #40

I call him a narcissist because that's what he is leftynyc Feb 2014 #35

Truly your ability to look within people's minds to discern their inner motives is impressive! nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #36

Thank you leftynyc Feb 2014 #37

I disagree. People are actually complex as hell. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #38

Nah - not really leftynyc Feb 2014 #39

As it is of no consequence whatsoever whether or not Greenwald is a "narcissist" sibelian Feb 2014 #83

Living his life out loud or just living his life out, which bothers you the most? Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #91

Living life out loud leftynyc Feb 2014 #97

As the accusation of "narcissist" cannot be disproved of ANYONE acting in ANY public capacity sibelian Feb 2014 #80

You're wrong leftynyc Feb 2014 #96

It's from a stock of diversionary tactics. sibelian Feb 2014 #81

Greenwald and Snowden communicate with each other every day. Snowden is now on the board Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #69

I've been studying why I find your stuff to be so damn funny. reusrename Feb 2014 #34

No, it is more of a case of his exaggerating it treestar Feb 2014 #44

By "some people" do you mean the man in your avatar? ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #77

Joe Biden (heard of him?) 2006: Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #93

It makes Keystone XL okay, and the TPP even better!!! Autumn Feb 2014 #48

... Rex Feb 2014 #55

Wouldn't it be great if Greenwald loved Obama? Autumn Feb 2014 #59

Yes if GG loved Obama, his faithful would be calling on the dismantling of the NSA. Rex Feb 2014 #60

I'm going to send Glen a picture of Obama without a shirt, coming out of the ocean, in his Autumn Feb 2014 #62

I dunno...how do you beat Pootie Poot when it comes to manly chest Rex Feb 2014 #63

That wins, hands down Autumn Feb 2014 #64

Look at the edit! Rex Feb 2014 #66

Words fail me Autumn Feb 2014 #67

No wonder we can't find any unicorns! They are all stuck in NK! Rex Feb 2014 #68

I love the NSA frwrfpos Feb 2014 #56

Or, for that matter, Ed Snowden is who he is... Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #57

It seems to be more like... Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #58

I love the way binary thinkers glom onto a couple of ideas and Skidmore Feb 2014 #61

As intended. nt Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #71

Thank you for pointing out binary thinking is what Third Way Manny is mocking with this satirical OP Fumesucker Feb 2014 #82

Binary thinkers come in all flavors. Skidmore Feb 2014 #84

Yes, fillintheblank like emoprog, firebagger, leftbagger, purist, progtopian, malcontent and so on Fumesucker Feb 2014 #85

Flip side being fillintheblank? Skidmore Feb 2014 #86

Everyone is the hero in their own story Fumesucker Feb 2014 #87

All I am certain of is that I get sick of Skidmore Feb 2014 #88

No one expects to convince anyone on "the other side" of the argument Fumesucker Feb 2014 #89

I'm sorry Manny Caretha Feb 2014 #90

The OP does not even mention Snowden, but you had some material and you Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #94

Thanks Caretha Feb 2014 #95