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go west young man

(4,856 posts) Mon Feb 10, 2014, 10:34 AM Feb 2014

History lesson for the crop of current paradoxical DU fascism lovers! [View all]

If Hitler had turned his full army on to a full scale attack on the UK, as he originally intended to do during WW2, instead of getting bogged down during the Russian winter to the tune of 25 million Russian lives (over half the war dead of WW2), there would be a very good chance that all of us freedom loving people including all the current vitriolic anti-Russia crowd here at DU, would be speaking German. The Russian people are not just our friends. They are indirectly savoirs of American freedom. Research Operation Sea Lion, a bit of history. For had it gone the other way, none of this discussion on gay rights would matter.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/defeat/attack-russia.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_(World_War_II)
http://history.stackexchange.com/questions/71/why-did-hitler-attack-the-soviet-union-when-he-was-still-busy-fighting-the-unite
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120318135503AAAihPv

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History lesson for the crop of current paradoxical DU fascism lovers! [View all] go west young man Feb 2014 OP

That's just silly Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #1

So what is this about? gollygee Feb 2014 #2

Exactly the same. GoneOffShore Feb 2014 #3

It's about the current US xenophobia go west young man Feb 2014 #7

It's criticism of bigoted specific laws and policies of statements by Russian politicians Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #9

A lot of it is criticism of Russia in general AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #93

lol, I bet their heads really do pop. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #95

I wish I still had the link gollygee Feb 2014 #12

I don't doubt bad things as such go on. go west young man Feb 2014 #17

You realize that the plural of anecdote isn't data, right? Brickbat Feb 2014 #24

The bandwagon of Russian hate. go west young man Feb 2014 #30

I love Russia. I love my own community in Russia so much I want them protected Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #41

Well, sice you didn't see it, I guess it didn't happen. Iggo Feb 2014 #81

Here's one of the many out there leftynyc Feb 2014 #35

That's the one I was thinking of gollygee Feb 2014 #36

Most of the xenophobia centers around Snowden AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #94

That law regarding gay people treestar Feb 2014 #42

No, that's an over-simplification. polly7 Feb 2014 #14

The laws they passed just ahead of Olympics might have been a poor choice. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #20

Intellectually dishonest to claim everyone hates bigotry and homophobia? polly7 Feb 2014 #33

People who pass anti gay laws are embracing homophobia and bigotry, nurturing it Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #45

Twist what I said and spin away ..... polly7 Feb 2014 #48

If everyone opposes bigotry who makes bigoted laws in US, in Russia, anywhere? Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #51

The same laws that drop like dew to enable the killing of brown children overseas for a decade. polly7 Feb 2014 #52

What are you even raving about? Your claim was that 'everyone hates bigotry'. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #56

Your claim that the people of Russia are responsible for the recent laws passed regarding polly7 Feb 2014 #61

The people I want protected are also Russians, those LGBT Russian people you seem to see as Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #116

But the law they have is a lot worse treestar Feb 2014 #44

Yes, I KNOW those are really bad things. polly7 Feb 2014 #47

I wouldn't demonize them, especially after all they have been through as a people treestar Feb 2014 #60

I think they 'are' grabbing onto it now, or at least trying. polly7 Feb 2014 #64

Hosting the Olympics doesn't really help the people of a country. It just offers rich pickings for tblue37 Feb 2014 #102

I recommended this thread not because of what Russia is doing today. The pogrom JDPriestly Feb 2014 #19

I did also, because of Matthew Shepard and the national disgrace of racism in the US reddread Feb 2014 #23

Thanks for the recommend. go west young man Feb 2014 #25

And so the prize they get is to be allowed to oppress their own gay people? Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #28

Shepard's killers got life sentences (two if I'm remembering) leftynyc Feb 2014 #39

I've seen over 500 posts like yours on DU go west young man Feb 2014 #76

Sorry - my family got thrown out of Russia leftynyc Feb 2014 #91

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #4

This all about talking up the glorious endeavors of Comrade Putin to restore the glories of the Adrahil Feb 2014 #43

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #78

That was then. This is now. GoneOffShore Feb 2014 #5

Correct. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #6

So because of WW2 Russia is allowed to hate gay people? Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #8

Russia doesn't hate gay people. go west young man Feb 2014 #10

people reheating the Cold War dont love gay rights reddread Feb 2014 #15

Then why did they pass those laws? Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #38

Prop 8? reddread Feb 2014 #50

And I fought loudly agains that law as well, until it was gone. And gone it is.d Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #53

NOBODY here defended or justified Prop 8 and its proponents were criticized harshly. smokey nj Feb 2014 #55

just own what your country is proven capable of reddread Feb 2014 #63

I own it and fight it every day. smokey nj Feb 2014 #65

SCOTUS invalidated Prop 8 DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #68

Apparently it is because the US government does horrible things. smokey nj Feb 2014 #70

do you really think the US Propaganda complex is pushing their antagonism for the sake of gay rights reddread Feb 2014 #74

Putin most likely did it for callus political reasons. go west young man Feb 2014 #77

The Russian people deserve to be free to be who they are, not forced into closets by law. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #115

People who live in glass houses... go west young man Feb 2014 #84

A great many Russians hate gay people. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #104

Was this before or after Stalin had all the Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #11

I'm no fan of what Stalin did. He was a bastard. go west young man Feb 2014 #18

It's cherry-picking and amateur speculation, Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #31

We would not be speaking German treestar Feb 2014 #46

You are aware that if Hitler took Britain go west young man Feb 2014 #82

You are aware that we can invade a country without Britain, right? jeff47 Feb 2014 #101

That is I am sure highly debatable treestar Feb 2014 #111

Oil Production World Summary 1940-2030 Make7 Feb 2014 #114

you're grasp of ww2 history is abysmal independentpiney Feb 2014 #117

You've read just enough WW2 history to allow yourself to make sweeping, Codeine Feb 2014 #120

" May I remind you..." DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #71

Ah, I was shootin' from the hip this morning. Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #100

So why aren't the Germans, Italians and Japanese speaking English? (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #13

Because we never took over their countries. go west young man Feb 2014 #21

I don't know about Japan, but more and more Germans speak English. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #27

bullshit of the first order cali Feb 2014 #16

Only an insult? go west young man Feb 2014 #22

I do too. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #32

It's not xenophobia when one points out the homophobia of a country. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #26

Putin get the red out Feb 2014 #29

"DU fascism lovers" Are you kidding me? hrmjustin Feb 2014 #34

I think we should thank Hitler, himself. Russia had signed a nonaggression pact with Germany in 1939 pampango Feb 2014 #37

See? You did that so much more Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #58

And if my Aunt had balls, she'd be my Uncle... SidDithers Feb 2014 #40

Ridiculous. HappyMe Feb 2014 #49

While I appreciate any effort to highlight the WW2 achievements of the Soviets~ Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #54

Well ... I guess I just had my malarkey thread of the day Trajan Feb 2014 #57

If Hitler had had the shipping to get his army Progressive dog Feb 2014 #59

What is so silly about the premise is treestar Feb 2014 #66

Would you like that lesson to come from people like my dad nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #62

I think some things are missing there Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #67

The Japanese wanted nothing to do with the Soviets after Kahlkin Gol in 1939. independentpiney Feb 2014 #89

I have to learn about that. Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #90

The wiki entry is well written and give a good summary independentpiney Feb 2014 #92

That IS interesting Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #97

Not so sure about your conclusions but Russia did malaise Feb 2014 #69

Huh? NuclearDem Feb 2014 #72

LOL Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #110

8 U.S. States Have Anti-Gay Laws Strikingly Similar to Those in Russia CJCRANE Feb 2014 #73

If I may nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #80

No one would be speaking German. former9thward Feb 2014 #75

Operation Sea Lion would have never worked independentpiney Feb 2014 #79

Pretty much. If Hitler had gone forward with Sea Lion, it would have just meant an enormous Chathamization Feb 2014 #108

And the allies had much experience with amphib ops before D-Day independentpiney Feb 2014 #118

I guess we should ignore Custer's self aggrandizing campaign against the Native American... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #83

They were terrorists ...doncha know. L0oniX Feb 2014 #87

Someone is a fascist because they are aginst Putin's gov? Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #85

Assassination lovers too? L0oniX Feb 2014 #86

Fail. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #88

Hmmm, I would guess nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #96

And if Mussolini had prevailed... OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #98

Hating Russian homophobia is loveing Nazi fascism? Iggo Feb 2014 #99

Bilge. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #103

oops. looks like you can't participate in your Russia with Love thread anymore. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #105

go east young man, to meet the czar... dionysus Feb 2014 #106

Leave Putin alone./nt DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2014 #107

If Germany did take over the UK and force them to speak German Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #109

75 - 80% of all German military casualties were on the Eastern front. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #112

Also FDR and Churchill didn't look so great without shirts 11 Bravo Feb 2014 #113

Sorry, that argument doesn't work for the US, JoeyT Feb 2014 #119

Make7 Feb 2014 #121

And if Xerxes had not listened to Aretmisia..... idendoit Feb 2014 #122

WWII was over the minute the Germans attacked Pearl Harbor. kwassa Feb 2014 #123

Logicophobia. A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #124

Here's some advice young man XRubicon Feb 2014 #125

Well, I love TCHAIKOVSKY more than anybody, but that don't make me love PUTIN!1 n/t UTUSN Feb 2014 #126