History lesson for the crop of current paradoxical DU fascism lovers!

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19. I recommended this thread not because of what Russia is doing today. The pogrom

against gay people is horrible. But then it hasn't been that long since the US punished people for being gay. It happened at least during my lifetime.

I recommended this thread because it is a good reminder of the horrible slaughter that the Russian people sustained when Hitler invaded their country. It was a blood bath in many areas.

Roosevelt recognized the importance of keeping Hitler busy in Russia so that we could invade Europe from the South and West. Churchill was more savvy about the horrible things going on in Russia under Stalin.

Somehow today Americans have forgotten both how much we owe the Russians for the sacrifices they made during WWII and, equally if not more importantly, the horrible repression and misery of the Russian people when their own government especially under Stalin and his secret service inflicted on the Russian people.

This becomes apparent to me when people criticize Greenwald and Snowden about their roles in revealing the extent of the NSA surveillance. It seems that those criticizing Greenwald and Snowden and approving either vocally or tacitly the NSA illegalities and excesses either are ignorant with regard to the role of surveillance and secret laws in inflicting misery on not just the Russians but many in NAZI German or just don't get it.

So, we do owe much to the suffering of the Russian people, but we also need to look at their history in order to avoid making serious errors ourselves and ending up in the terribly repressive kind of government that they had to endure.