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Kurovski

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11. "The alert stalking claim is bogus."

Fri Feb 14, 2014, 04:15 AM

Feb 2014

"The number of alerts is very small, and even if they don't result in a hidden post the vast majority of them are legitimate. Certainly some people alert more than others, but we don't see anyone doing it in a manner that is abusive. Yes, some alerts are occasionally bogus, and yes sometimes people alert on other people multiple times -- I have even done so myself from time-to-time. But the system has shown itself repeatedly to be self-regulating -- juries rarely if ever hide posts that do not deserve to be hidden, and if a person sends an alert that is found to be bogus they temporarily lose their ability to alert.

The alert stalking claim persists because some people here want it to persist. They don't want to consider the possibility that their own posts were hidden because they deserved to be hidden on the merits. "

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I don't think I've ever been as disgusted at a DU jury as I am right now [View all] abq e streeter Feb 2014 OP

it's just another commentary pothos Feb 2014 #1

We ,as progressives are supposed to be better than that abq e streeter Feb 2014 #2

I remember when a couple of guys outed themselves as rapists roguevalley Feb 2014 #16

"I'm a rapist and I'm sorry" or "I'm a rapist and I'd do it again"? nilram Feb 2014 #24

If it is the thread I am thinking of, the OP basically said that taking advantage tblue37 Feb 2014 #34

I remember that post. Beacool Feb 2014 #100

But he didn't get banned. One of the many reasons I've let my star expire. Squinch Feb 2014 #171

Good point. Beacool Feb 2014 #172

I remember those posts. "We ALL did it back in the '70s!" WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #163

Um, I didnt DiverDave Feb 2014 #178

That was the general consensus of DUers... WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #179

And the sorry thing is... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #180

Do you have a link to that? Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2014 #159

Why do you assume everyone on this board is a "we progressives"? WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #93

But there's no misogyny on DU. LeftyMom Feb 2014 #3

oh none at all Hekate Feb 2014 #22

Gimme a break. Those kinds of crass jokes don't happen when the victim is male? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #91

A woman was murdered and you're still banging your male oppression drum. LeftyMom Feb 2014 #113

Here's an interesting observation vis-a-vis dysfunctional juries. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #120

context is everything Whisp Feb 2014 #152

So, you think the jury system sucks, but you'll work to keep it that way? HuckleB Feb 2014 #165

I judge each alert to it's own merits. some suck, some don't. n/t Whisp Feb 2014 #168

Well bless your heart. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #185

erm. Whisp Feb 2014 #192

The imaginative and creative ways we rationalize our denial of a thing are often legion LanternWaste Feb 2014 #131

Remember the guy who fell off the cliff during his honeymoon? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #174

I said it once twice and thrice DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #4

"The alert stalking claim is bogus." Kurovski Feb 2014 #11

Nobody said a thing about alert stalking. JTFrog Feb 2014 #18

"Witch burning" is two posts above this one Renew Deal Feb 2014 #45

what a disgusting comment... chillfactor Feb 2014 #5

shitstains, that's what kind of people. Whisp Feb 2014 #29

Honestly Dorian Gray Feb 2014 #30

They can still see it if they click on show post kcr Feb 2014 #38

Plus, if one doesn't hide something the person feels more boston bean Feb 2014 #64

After Newtown, a host, and I believe former moderator, made disgusting remarks... WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #122

why so surprised? There are jerks everywhere including on DU. You can't get rid of them all. liberal_at_heart Feb 2014 #6

I was more disgusted at the post being upheld than the post itself. abq e streeter Feb 2014 #12

Yeah, that really bothers me as well... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #14

I don't even know why the OP is in GD. bluedigger Feb 2014 #7

Where would you suggest? Control-Z Feb 2014 #13

State forums, maybe. bluedigger Feb 2014 #15

Gun violence is a national story to a lot of people. cui bono Feb 2014 #19

A gun was used. A knife? Probably wouldn't be posted. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #66

you have a point. Extremely bad taste lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #8

Yes it was bad taste Mojorabbit Feb 2014 #26

We all have different coping mechanisms. Blue_Adept Feb 2014 #33

As somebody who is rather fond of dark humor, mythology Feb 2014 #39

We are not in a clinical environment, or a war zone, we are on a progressive message forum. lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #40

+1 L0oniX Feb 2014 #51

Since when is a murder victim subject to sick humor on DU? Cha Feb 2014 #9

I haven't seen the thread in question. In_The_Wind Feb 2014 #32

those type of comments are not unusual on such threads JI7 Feb 2014 #10

well if it's any consolation all alerts get sent to admins for review azurnoir Feb 2014 #17

Just as bad was that poster's response when I said that was bad form. cui bono Feb 2014 #20

I alerted on that too.Upheld 5 to 1 abq e streeter Feb 2014 #21

That one actually made me pretty mad cui bono Feb 2014 #23

Sucks. So much for the "Big Tent." blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #25

I alerted on a "joke" the other day about Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #27

...and there are many who would hide anything containing the word "fuck". L0oniX Feb 2014 #48

Many? Really? Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #55

IMO. L0oniX Feb 2014 #56

IYSO Jakes Progress Feb 2014 #85

Long time disruptors and poor juries. morningfog Feb 2014 #28

jury system is a joke. unchecked that box about two weeks after it was implemented. KG Feb 2014 #31

that would be our community standard that our community creates. i think the administration had seabeyond Feb 2014 #35

Juries here can be corrupted by infiltrators and trolls. ananda Feb 2014 #36

i think that's true CreekDog Feb 2014 #47

Just wondering pipi_k Feb 2014 #57

Ahhh gallows humor... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #37

An ambulance crew would get banned here for their humor. L0oniX Feb 2014 #46

Most Soldiers as well... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #53

And what about pipi_k Feb 2014 #60

Juvenile court lawyers and criminal prosecution/defense lawyers would be right out. Shrike47 Feb 2014 #114

no doubt.. my sister's an EMT, and her Facebook feed would cause a massive meltdown here opiate69 Feb 2014 #142

Would that response have been acceptable if the person killed was a man? el_bryanto Feb 2014 #41

No, it would not have been. n/t cui bono Feb 2014 #155

If it was a guy who was killed, would you feel the same way? randome Feb 2014 #42

If that shocks you, see the kind of stuff that gets a pass in the subforums Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #43

I wouldn't hide - It's dark humor chrisa Feb 2014 #44

the problem is that trolls use dark humor inappropriately to disrupt, not lighten the mood CreekDog Feb 2014 #50

No one can 'disrupt' unless someone gets outraged. randome Feb 2014 #62

So... misogyny isn't a problem, but "outrage" over misogyny is a problem? nt redqueen Feb 2014 #72

Where is the misogyny? Gender had nothing to do with the joke. randome Feb 2014 #74

Ok so - making jokes about murder victims isn't a problem? redqueen Feb 2014 #79

So it's a joke about death and not misogyny, then. randome Feb 2014 #83

You said it should be ignored and that the real problem is that people are "outraged". redqueen Feb 2014 #89

I would simply say that being offended does not always require a response. randome Feb 2014 #95

The problem with that is the joke works Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #76

How about yukking it up over a teenage girl getting electrocuted? Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #63

Lol! pintobean Feb 2014 #68

I thought it was Margaret Thatcher, no wonder it offended you CreekDog Feb 2014 #77

Really? The OP said that the dead girl was "Maria Barbu, age 17, of Brasov, Romania". Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #84

i thought that was an alias CreekDog Feb 2014 #166

Woah. n/t Skip Intro Feb 2014 #196

"calculated to cause argument" - are you fucking kidding me? Skip Intro Feb 2014 #195

Then you are part of the problem here! Disgusting! nt Logical Feb 2014 #169

Lighten up, Francis chrisa Feb 2014 #181

Wow, movie quote. Classy. n-t Logical Feb 2014 #198

Win some, lose some Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #49

It goes in meta, which is no longer treestar Feb 2014 #52

Disgusting comment. Lifelong Protester Feb 2014 #54

I just served on a jury for a really bad one. kcr Feb 2014 #58

Ugh, no hide on my jury. Hey, it's steak and a blowjob day, everyone! kcr Feb 2014 #59

Could you post the PM results? Kurovski Feb 2014 #177

This sounds meta to me. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #61

Why would this surprise you? Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #65

Got links, Joe? pintobean Feb 2014 #69

Sure... Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #73

Where exactly is "rape defended"? pintobean Feb 2014 #78

I see... Making some distinction on the level of rape is not defending it? Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #90

My point of view pintobean Feb 2014 #92

ahhh... You need to see them say 'Hi, I'm here to defend rape' before you think they do it... Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #112

No, I would have to see them actually defend rape pintobean Feb 2014 #124

Then what is your line to make the leap? Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #128

They are legally different pintobean Feb 2014 #130

Which answers nothing of what I asked... Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #132

Not, it's not, and that's a scurrilous accusation you're tossing around. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #119

Yes, they are the same Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #123

hmmm...going to disagree with you... one_voice Feb 2014 #154

The discussion is not about a 16 and a 19 years old kids... Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #156

I replied to you saying that this... one_voice Feb 2014 #157

There are links further up in the sub-thread, I assumed you had read more then the last two posts Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #162

You seriously don't know what statutory rape is? JTFrog Feb 2014 #144

It is not nt Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #129

You're the best, Joe! BainsBane Feb 2014 #75

Your assertion is way over the top and mischaracterized what I said. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #115

No... Not one bit... Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #121

And yet no one had to say that the post was yours.... Hmmmmm...... Squinch Feb 2014 #175

This message was self-deleted by its author lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #186

misogyny is not a violation of DU community standards. Lots of misogynist trolls get banned geek tragedy Feb 2014 #67

That speaks volumes. nt redqueen Feb 2014 #71

If it's of any comfort, hidden posts are viewed more than B Calm Feb 2014 #70

I can't imagine what life is like DesMoinesDem Feb 2014 #80

Good point.Let me know when a loved one of yours is murdered , so I can post some jokes about it. abq e streeter Feb 2014 #81

I'd place then in the same context as the person LanternWaste Feb 2014 #133

That is not a violation of CS or TOS. Rex Feb 2014 #82

Insensitivity is listed as a reason to alert abq e streeter Feb 2014 #86

I guess you are just oversensitive. Rex Feb 2014 #87

I find your post insensitive and outrageous cally Feb 2014 #96

Then alert on it! Rex Feb 2014 #102

nuts aint it? Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #117

"sexist insults"? pintobean Feb 2014 #108

Well that is what I get for agreeing with the OP! Rex Feb 2014 #111

Either the forum follows rules or it doesn't. The system is not there to address every sensitivity BlueStreak Feb 2014 #145

I think that is an excellent suggestion! Rex Feb 2014 #149

I have made stupid posts before and most were upheld by juries, rightly. BlueStreak Feb 2014 #150

Yes,as someone who has had family and friends murdered, I now realize I'm just being oversensitive abq e streeter Feb 2014 #98

You got told you were wrong by 3 people, if you cannot get over it Rex Feb 2014 #103

I had little idea people predicated their ideas of what is or is not right or wrong... LanternWaste Feb 2014 #136

Yeah some people cannot handle being told they are wrong Rex Feb 2014 #138

derp. opiate69 Feb 2014 #164

I imagine it''s much more convenient for the self-absorbed to label others as oversensitive LanternWaste Feb 2014 #134

Funny...the first two words in my original post are...I AGREE. Rex Feb 2014 #137

I was wondering what DU needs to do to attract Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #88

By all means, let's start encouraging jokes about murder. Maybe genocide, rape.. the list is endless abq e streeter Feb 2014 #94

Your being disingenuous.. Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #105

I think you are spot on! Rex Feb 2014 #107

I've noticed a generation gap on DU for quite awhile. NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #188

and love memes... Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #191

How could I forget that? NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #193

heh!..nt Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #194

It's the DUzy effect at work Mosby Feb 2014 #97

hyperbolic outrage over inconsequentialities does more harm than good TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author abq e streeter Feb 2014 #101

and it makes you an easy target for trolls and other offenders TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #110

Black humor Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #104

Not Surprised ... Lighten Up, Francis ... but, seriously Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #106

And yet, I managed to get a B-bomb hidden yesterday KamaAina Feb 2014 #109

Probably because noamnety Feb 2014 #118

+1 n/t JTFrog Feb 2014 #146

good hide. progressives should not slur women here. it doesn't matter if it's Palin or Hillary. bettyellen Feb 2014 #151

Just women? It's okay to slur men? pintobean Feb 2014 #158

where did you get that nutty idea? not from me, LOL. bettyellen Feb 2014 #160

why don't you go to the African American group and ask them why it's ok to slur white people? BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #199

This is GD, Blanche pintobean Feb 2014 #201

I personally would never remove any post ever. Shoulders of Giants Feb 2014 #116

My sister-in-law's friend makes $8000 per month posting links on the internet. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #126

OOOH! Where to get the job???? Please find out and post for out of work DU'ers!!! grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #140

Well I have no intention of ever serving on a jury. Shoulders of Giants Feb 2014 #141

and turn this place into a useless shithole like 4chan? No thanks. bettyellen Feb 2014 #161

I know the first amendment has nothing to do with message boards. Shoulders of Giants Feb 2014 #183

well, I appreciate having a space that is not "everything goes". lots of great people do NOT bettyellen Feb 2014 #184

Well if it makes you feel any better, "hidden" JTFrog Feb 2014 #187

LOL, it is sad when I cannot tell if you are serious. Sick! nt Logical Feb 2014 #170

Its just my viewpoint Shoulders of Giants Feb 2014 #182

Thank god, there is too many political correctness police on DU! B Calm Feb 2014 #189

I'm surprised at how much the terms sexist and misogynist are being used hughee99 Feb 2014 #125

I remember that comment too cvoogt Feb 2014 #127

Who died and made you the censor of inappropriate jokes? The Second Stone Feb 2014 #135

There is no free speech on DU. JTFrog Feb 2014 #148

And thank god for that- aren't there some great Libertarian sites where one can spew any old bettyellen Feb 2014 #167

Have compassion. The world is messed up and people deal with that greif in weird ways. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #139

It's a tasteless joke. But hide worthy? Nah LittleBlue Feb 2014 #143

I don't personally think it is healthy ohheckyeah Feb 2014 #147

I'm going to post an unpopular opinion cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #153

Certainly nothing new about that... NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #190

don't ya know, violence against women is funny? (sarcasm) nt TheFrenchRazor Feb 2014 #173

Do you believe that joke wouldn't have been if it was a man who was killed? penultimate Feb 2014 #176

The strangest threads keep going and going and going... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #197

The "DU Jury" is bent. flvegan Feb 2014 #200

sorry locking under the no whining about DU clause n/t azurnoir Feb 2014 #202