I don't think I've ever been as disgusted at a DU jury as I am right now

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34. If it is the thread I am thinking of, the OP basically said that taking advantage

of drunk, incapacitated or unconscious girls at parties used to be SOP, and no one considered it criminal or even rape at all. He admitted having done it a couple of times himself, though he said he wouldn't do such a thing now.

I think his point was to suggest that when he and his pals did it back then, they were not being evil, just uninformed. Perhaps a secondary, implied intention was to suggest that teenaged boys who rape drunk girls might be "victims" of ignorance combined with peer pressure, so that instead of "ruining their lives", we should be more concerned with educating them about what constitutes rape.

Of course that is a bunch of BS. There is no way a bunch of guys raping a drunk girl or hooting and hollering while one or more of their friends rape her are unaware that what they are doing is evil. Furthermore, they often deliberately get inexperienced girls drunk specifically *because* they know those girls would not consent to sex if they were able to.

Whether it is one guy taking a drunk girl to a room to rape her or several treating it as a team sport, I believe they know it is wrong now, and guys knew it was wrong back then.