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femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
43. Well.... I found this!
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 07:25 PM
Feb 2014

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: In other words, dogs as we know them are domesticated wolves. Not only their behavior changed; domestic dogs are different in form from wolves, mainly smaller and with shorter muzzles and smaller teeth.

Darwin was wrong about dogs. He thought their remarkable diversity must reflect interbreeding with several types of wild dogs. But the DNA findings say differently. All modern dogs are descendants of wolves, though this domestication may have happened twice, producing groups of dogs descended from two unique common ancestors.

How and when this domestication happened has been a matter of speculation. It was thought until very recently that dogs were wild until about 12,000 years ago. But DNA analysis published in 1997 suggests a date of about 130,000 years ago for the transformation of wolves to dogs. This means that wolves began to adapt to human society long before humans settled down and began practicing agriculture.

This earlier timing casts doubt on the long-held myth that humans domesticated dogs to serve as guards or companions to assist them. Rather, say some experts, dogs may have exploited a niche they discovered in early human society and got humans to take them in out of the cold.

Source: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/5/l_015_02.html

There seems to be two schools of thought.

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They are divided into 2 separate groups I believe, relating to different species. JaneyVee Feb 2014 #1
Ah, sweet naiveté ~ nt antiquie Feb 2014 #2
Couch dogs and fence jumpers undeterred Feb 2014 #21
I am watching my Beagle take her second of literally dozens of daily couch naps arely staircase Feb 2014 #25
Found this somewhere via Google: Sounds scientific enough to me! femmocrat Feb 2014 #3
Dogs are a species of canines that came about because of the wolf's relationship with mankind. Nika Feb 2014 #4
New scientific research now disputes that... Apparently, dogs did not evolve from wolves but 1monster Feb 2014 #66
Dogs and wolves aren't exactly the same, are they? Bonobo Feb 2014 #5
Nice post, mammal. Orrex Feb 2014 #6
Dogs descended from wolves. femmocrat Feb 2014 #7
Actually, no. They are cousins. hlthe2b Feb 2014 #26
This is from Wickipedia Progressive dog Feb 2014 #33
That is outdated... New study (link below has not been discounted by scientific community) hlthe2b Feb 2014 #34
You are right, Progressive dog Feb 2014 #39
Just one study Shivering Jemmy Feb 2014 #52
And by the measure those who do not understand science say evolution is mere "theory"... hlthe2b Feb 2014 #53
Well.... I found this! femmocrat Feb 2014 #43
That is outdated as well (1997). This is a new genetic study pub January 14, 2014 & has NOT been hlthe2b Feb 2014 #44
Oh. femmocrat Feb 2014 #46
Thanks for posting 2naSalit Feb 2014 #54
But, if dogs descended from wolves, why are there still wolves? nt Captain Stern Feb 2014 #65
But people do.... Fastcars Feb 2014 #15
Are you really a bonobo? DBoon Feb 2014 #51
more to the point: PCIntern Feb 2014 #8
he does have an opposable thumb...when it's not up his ass Demonaut Feb 2014 #14
That's not is thumb, that is his head. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #49
I'd expect you, of H2O Man Feb 2014 #23
Hmmm... PCIntern Feb 2014 #35
Ha! H2O Man Feb 2014 #42
Indeed. And that thread is a shocker LittleBlue Feb 2014 #9
I'm curious about the thread you mention Cirque du So-What Feb 2014 #19
Here you go... riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #36
Thanks! Cirque du So-What Feb 2014 #37
wait. this is about sometbing else? nt arely staircase Feb 2014 #29
I knew it was about something else before I clicked the link Cirque du So-What Feb 2014 #31
well I probably should have arely staircase Feb 2014 #32
a can't even prove to you that dogs exist arely staircase Feb 2014 #10
I think your dog posted that Orrex Feb 2014 #11
... chrisa Feb 2014 #12
Bush Dogs, Speothos venaticus, those are canines too? hunter Feb 2014 #13
This reminds me of the old question in grad courses in systematics...do higher taxa exist? HereSince1628 Feb 2014 #16
What about these guys? Cirque du So-What Feb 2014 #17
prairrie dogs are the Grapenuts of the animal world. nt arely staircase Feb 2014 #28
I'm pretty sure Hitler loved canines. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #18
lol Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #22
Godwin's Law Alert! aristocles Feb 2014 #30
Hitler had a headquarters named Wolfsschnaze (Wolf's Lair) NoGOPZone Feb 2014 #38
Prove to me that these are both *dogs.* woo me with science Feb 2014 #20
I have no idea why but that pic made me burst out laughing. It's looks like a TV ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2014 #24
Our shih tzu barks at every dog she sees on TV, Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #57
Well. laundry_queen Feb 2014 #58
my dog says he is 2pooped2pop Feb 2014 #27
They're humans, damn it. pintobean Feb 2014 #40
My boy is a canid IDemo Feb 2014 #41
too cute. Is he part Akita or husky? I noticed the curled tail. I have a bigger browner version of okaawhatever Feb 2014 #47
The shelter had him listed as a German Shepherd/Husky IDemo Feb 2014 #48
Are canines dogs? JonLP24 Feb 2014 #45
They're not canines. Dr. Strange Feb 2014 #50
Yes, see Kolor-Matznick, 2002 in Anthrozoos Recursion Feb 2014 #55
Well, one thing is for sure.... A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #56
And they don't pose like that naturally, that's for sure Orrex Feb 2014 #59
Russians have done so with foxes quaker bill Feb 2014 #60
I remember seeing a show on that a few years back. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #62
Whaaaaa?? This is a joke, right? WinkyDink Feb 2014 #61
Strictly speaking, no. Orrex Feb 2014 #63
Canines eat the ice cream on your desk. They can see it with the Godlike eyes. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #64
God looked around his workshop and used some of the same parts. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #67
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