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another_liberal

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102. Do you deny that the West has been encouraging . . .

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 01:33 PM

Feb 2014

As to your question: Of course not, no one is suggesting anything that simplistic. There clearly were genuine, independent Ukrainian patriots among the protesters in Maidan Square; in fact, I would hold that the vast majority of protesters were such patriots. I would also imagine that the minority of violent and even fascistic hooligans who actually attacked police and vandalized government buildings are a continuing source of embarrassment to those genuine patriots.

Let me ask you this, however, do you mean to deny that the United States and the West in general has been encouraging and cheering on the protests? It would be short work to prove that they have indeed done so. A quick Google search using any number of related terms would do the trick.

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"US, EU staged classic regime change in Ukraine." [View all] another_liberal Feb 2014 OP

Russia Today is not really an unbiased or accurate source of reportage on events in Ukraine. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #1

So the interview is fake? n/t Scootaloo Feb 2014 #3

Why do you say that? another_liberal Feb 2014 #5

I'm asking Spider if he thinks the interview was faked. Scootaloo Feb 2014 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author another_liberal Feb 2014 #13

Cool you defensiveness chief, I'm with you on this one Scootaloo Feb 2014 #20

My mistake. another_liberal Feb 2014 #26

Scootaloo - What you're seeing is a TYPICAL response from truth2power Feb 2014 #47

No, but the guy just throws out a bunch of wild accusations Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #6

For example . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #8

What ISN'T an exaggeration in this Russian mouthpiece article? randome Feb 2014 #52

One has to have followed the events . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #55

It is widely known as a propaganda piece for Russia and Putin. randome Feb 2014 #56

How could you have and evidence? another_liberal Feb 2014 #60

Then wouldn't it do to say "Brain Becker is an unreliable source..." Scootaloo Feb 2014 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author another_liberal Feb 2014 #15

I know Scootaloo Feb 2014 #21

Thank you. I misread your intentions completely. another_liberal Feb 2014 #25

I didn't say that. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #22

Either the interview is portrayed accurately or its not (i.e., fake) Scootaloo Feb 2014 #23

The interview represents a particular point of view which is nonsensical... Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #30

Do you have a link for that "majority support for EU integration"? That's not what I saw BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #34

Here, for one: Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #48

That single instance poll indeed contradicts the series I posted. BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #49

Whether it's "sensible" or not is neither here nor there, really Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #54

have lots of fun in your binary world BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #66

Doesn't matter if they all do, only matters if a majority do Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #70

Oh really? Does CNN tell you all you need to know? another_liberal Feb 2014 #4

I don't watch TV news, generally. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #28

"It's shallow, superficial, lacks any kind of international perspecttive . . ." another_liberal Feb 2014 #31

whose polls? El_Johns Feb 2014 #33

"Becker is a useful idiot". Classic red baiting there.... socialist_n_TN Feb 2014 #95

I don't really see any "anti-capitalism" there. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #107

Very true, sadly. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #32

I realize it is on the Internet, but we have a DUer, Mattsh, I think it was, jtuck004 Feb 2014 #43

Since I see my name here... MattSh Feb 2014 #111

That doesn't matter. sibelian Feb 2014 #88

The OP introduces that theme, US media is dismissed as 'Corporate Controlled' Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #92

I agree. But... sibelian Feb 2014 #97

What do you think of the substance of the interview? It wasn't rocket science you know, most sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #121

LOL...nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #2

It's not a humor piece . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #7

I know...that's what makes it funny. Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #9

I see nothing at all to laugh about . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #12

They laugh because they can afford to. Union Scribe Feb 2014 #17

I wonder . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #19

Those "memories" can't be buried dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #44

Ah, but by that time there will be ANOTHER situation that they can....... socialist_n_TN Feb 2014 #96

It's important to consider what he says Union Scribe Feb 2014 #14

Well said. another_liberal Feb 2014 #16

Very well said malaise Feb 2014 #29

After ONE whole day, we "suddenly" learn that Ukraine needs 35 billion and the IMF stands ready BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #37

Eastern Ukraine has serioous ties to Moscow - they may try malaise Feb 2014 #39

I didn't know that. But then I'm just now starting to research this situation....... socialist_n_TN Feb 2014 #124

just like it's important to consider this guy : ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2014 #64

Not really a criticism. sibelian Feb 2014 #73

You beat me to it with your reference to Disaster Capitalism...... socialist_n_TN Feb 2014 #99

+1 redqueen Feb 2014 #103

I wouldn't call it "classical". Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #18

It was a lighter touch, no doubt. another_liberal Feb 2014 #24

Of course. I do not want to downplay anyone's suffering. Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #27

"those necessary funds" - like the 5 billion Victoria Nuland boasted about? BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #35

That would be an example. Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #40

Change you can beLIEve in, bay-bee! blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #36

Brian Becker and his organization have zero credibility. It's a shame someone posted this drivel okaawhatever Feb 2014 #38

Ukraine may have needed those funds at that time dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #42

If you're going to believe that bull$#it Russian propaganda then there's no point in spending time okaawhatever Feb 2014 #45

Its either true or false. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #46

Right. Thank god we all forgot the US media lied about the pretext for war in Iraq. BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #50

Pardon my saying so, . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #51

and the jury results are in. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #53

Proud of that are you? another_liberal Feb 2014 #58

If someone can't take being told bullshit, they need to stay off a public forum. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #61

There are rules that come with posting on Democratic Underground. another_liberal Feb 2014 #62

I think by now I know what the rules are. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #71

How could it be a threat? another_liberal Feb 2014 #72

Sometimes you make a point. Jakes Progress Feb 2014 #89

Correction . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #109

Why on earth would you alert on that post???? Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #126

The cumulative effect of little injustices . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #129

The tale of a russian & US expert on Ukraine at TRNN is a valuable addition to this thread BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #41

Recommend viewing... KoKo Feb 2014 #77

The EU and US made Yunakovich shoot his own people? Bad Thoughts Feb 2014 #57

Hey, that's 'classic regime change' right there. Don't you know anything about history? randome Feb 2014 #59

If the Tea Party rioted in D.C., angry mobs threw firebombs at the White House . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #65

So you support him ordering snipers to shoot at protestors? geek tragedy Feb 2014 #85

Yeah, cuz this was exactly like that... #jumpedtheshark Adrahil Feb 2014 #87

relying on an RT interview about Ukraine ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2014 #63

Yep, violent overthrow of a democratically elected government . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #67

this guy's version of events? ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2014 #69

Upon reflection, your mockery is really of no importance. another_liberal Feb 2014 #74

and good luck with your complete belief in horseshit... n/t ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2014 #78

Is it? sibelian Feb 2014 #75

this... is a perfect example ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2014 #79

OK, so you propose that the report is bad beause the source is bad sibelian Feb 2014 #91

The OP waves off other opinion by questioning the sources, here's the quote: Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #93

Yeah, I understand that... sibelian Feb 2014 #98

Besides the fact it's run by Russia's government? geek tragedy Feb 2014 #86

It seems most the RT's believers like them some Al Jazeera too.. EX500rider Feb 2014 #123

RT. LOL...nt SidDithers Feb 2014 #68

Will you laugh if our democracy is taken away from us? another_liberal Feb 2014 #76

I didn't laugh and i'm still not laughing. librechik Feb 2014 #83

As if the ANSWER crowd believes in democracy. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #84

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #80

I wouldn't disagree that government corruption is the primary triggering factor sibelian Feb 2014 #113

A.N.S.W.E.R. are Stalinist authoritarians, so duh. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #81

Stalinist? You really want to go on record with that? another_liberal Feb 2014 #100

Answer was founded by the WWP. It remains geek tragedy Feb 2014 #108

Do you have a link to the source . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #110

Check my edit. Becker wrote a love letter geek tragedy Feb 2014 #112

I see some support for the "people" of North Korea . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #116

wrong. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #118

yeah, slick, huh? Much smoother than Egypt or Libya. librechik Feb 2014 #82

Of course, Egypt and Lybia are polar opposites. Coyotl Feb 2014 #94

Much smoother, and fewer fingerprints too. another_liberal Feb 2014 #105

So the people protesting there treestar Feb 2014 #90

Do you deny that the West has been encouraging . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #102

so what if they were? treestar Feb 2014 #122

From media owned by the Russian opposition Progressive dog Feb 2014 #101

Is there a link to that? another_liberal Feb 2014 #104

Well known that RT news is Russian, Progressive dog Feb 2014 #115

I do, of course, know RT News is Russian (It's even in the name). another_liberal Feb 2014 #117

lmgtfy. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #119

Oh, you were referring to the headline you posted Progressive dog Feb 2014 #120

So, if I read this right, Obama got us the Ukraine, and Putin has Comrade Eddie as a msanthrope Feb 2014 #106

There you have it folks, straight from the Kremlin sponsored media outlet. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #114

RussianTimes & ANSWER are as credible as FOX News & the Tea Party KittyWampus Feb 2014 #125

Why does anyone think sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #127

recommend frwrfpos Feb 2014 #128