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sibelian

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113. I wouldn't disagree that government corruption is the primary triggering factor

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 02:12 PM

Feb 2014

But I don't think that establishing that actually contradicts or circumvents the observation that self interested and potentially exploitative parties could also benefit and/or manipulate the situation to their own advantage.

Revolutions and coups almost NEVER result in the happy Utopia that those instigating or prosecuting them hope they will achieve.

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"US, EU staged classic regime change in Ukraine." [View all] another_liberal Feb 2014 OP

Russia Today is not really an unbiased or accurate source of reportage on events in Ukraine. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #1

So the interview is fake? n/t Scootaloo Feb 2014 #3

Why do you say that? another_liberal Feb 2014 #5

I'm asking Spider if he thinks the interview was faked. Scootaloo Feb 2014 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author another_liberal Feb 2014 #13

Cool you defensiveness chief, I'm with you on this one Scootaloo Feb 2014 #20

My mistake. another_liberal Feb 2014 #26

Scootaloo - What you're seeing is a TYPICAL response from truth2power Feb 2014 #47

No, but the guy just throws out a bunch of wild accusations Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #6

For example . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #8

What ISN'T an exaggeration in this Russian mouthpiece article? randome Feb 2014 #52

One has to have followed the events . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #55

It is widely known as a propaganda piece for Russia and Putin. randome Feb 2014 #56

How could you have and evidence? another_liberal Feb 2014 #60

Then wouldn't it do to say "Brain Becker is an unreliable source..." Scootaloo Feb 2014 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author another_liberal Feb 2014 #15

I know Scootaloo Feb 2014 #21

Thank you. I misread your intentions completely. another_liberal Feb 2014 #25

I didn't say that. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #22

Either the interview is portrayed accurately or its not (i.e., fake) Scootaloo Feb 2014 #23

The interview represents a particular point of view which is nonsensical... Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #30

Do you have a link for that "majority support for EU integration"? That's not what I saw BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #34

Here, for one: Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #48

That single instance poll indeed contradicts the series I posted. BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #49

Whether it's "sensible" or not is neither here nor there, really Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #54

have lots of fun in your binary world BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #66

Doesn't matter if they all do, only matters if a majority do Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #70

Oh really? Does CNN tell you all you need to know? another_liberal Feb 2014 #4

I don't watch TV news, generally. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #28

"It's shallow, superficial, lacks any kind of international perspecttive . . ." another_liberal Feb 2014 #31

whose polls? El_Johns Feb 2014 #33

"Becker is a useful idiot". Classic red baiting there.... socialist_n_TN Feb 2014 #95

I don't really see any "anti-capitalism" there. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #107

Very true, sadly. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #32

I realize it is on the Internet, but we have a DUer, Mattsh, I think it was, jtuck004 Feb 2014 #43

Since I see my name here... MattSh Feb 2014 #111

That doesn't matter. sibelian Feb 2014 #88

The OP introduces that theme, US media is dismissed as 'Corporate Controlled' Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #92

I agree. But... sibelian Feb 2014 #97

What do you think of the substance of the interview? It wasn't rocket science you know, most sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #121

LOL...nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #2

It's not a humor piece . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #7

I know...that's what makes it funny. Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #9

I see nothing at all to laugh about . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #12

They laugh because they can afford to. Union Scribe Feb 2014 #17

I wonder . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #19

Those "memories" can't be buried dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #44

Ah, but by that time there will be ANOTHER situation that they can....... socialist_n_TN Feb 2014 #96

It's important to consider what he says Union Scribe Feb 2014 #14

Well said. another_liberal Feb 2014 #16

Very well said malaise Feb 2014 #29

After ONE whole day, we "suddenly" learn that Ukraine needs 35 billion and the IMF stands ready BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #37

Eastern Ukraine has serioous ties to Moscow - they may try malaise Feb 2014 #39

I didn't know that. But then I'm just now starting to research this situation....... socialist_n_TN Feb 2014 #124

just like it's important to consider this guy : ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2014 #64

Not really a criticism. sibelian Feb 2014 #73

You beat me to it with your reference to Disaster Capitalism...... socialist_n_TN Feb 2014 #99

+1 redqueen Feb 2014 #103

I wouldn't call it "classical". Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #18

It was a lighter touch, no doubt. another_liberal Feb 2014 #24

Of course. I do not want to downplay anyone's suffering. Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #27

"those necessary funds" - like the 5 billion Victoria Nuland boasted about? BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #35

That would be an example. Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #40

Change you can beLIEve in, bay-bee! blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #36

Brian Becker and his organization have zero credibility. It's a shame someone posted this drivel okaawhatever Feb 2014 #38

Ukraine may have needed those funds at that time dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #42

If you're going to believe that bull$#it Russian propaganda then there's no point in spending time okaawhatever Feb 2014 #45

Its either true or false. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #46

Right. Thank god we all forgot the US media lied about the pretext for war in Iraq. BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #50

Pardon my saying so, . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #51

and the jury results are in. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #53

Proud of that are you? another_liberal Feb 2014 #58

If someone can't take being told bullshit, they need to stay off a public forum. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #61

There are rules that come with posting on Democratic Underground. another_liberal Feb 2014 #62

I think by now I know what the rules are. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #71

How could it be a threat? another_liberal Feb 2014 #72

Sometimes you make a point. Jakes Progress Feb 2014 #89

Correction . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #109

Why on earth would you alert on that post???? Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #126

The cumulative effect of little injustices . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #129

The tale of a russian & US expert on Ukraine at TRNN is a valuable addition to this thread BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #41

Recommend viewing... KoKo Feb 2014 #77

The EU and US made Yunakovich shoot his own people? Bad Thoughts Feb 2014 #57

Hey, that's 'classic regime change' right there. Don't you know anything about history? randome Feb 2014 #59

If the Tea Party rioted in D.C., angry mobs threw firebombs at the White House . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #65

So you support him ordering snipers to shoot at protestors? geek tragedy Feb 2014 #85

Yeah, cuz this was exactly like that... #jumpedtheshark Adrahil Feb 2014 #87

relying on an RT interview about Ukraine ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2014 #63

Yep, violent overthrow of a democratically elected government . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #67

this guy's version of events? ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2014 #69

Upon reflection, your mockery is really of no importance. another_liberal Feb 2014 #74

and good luck with your complete belief in horseshit... n/t ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2014 #78

Is it? sibelian Feb 2014 #75

this... is a perfect example ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2014 #79

OK, so you propose that the report is bad beause the source is bad sibelian Feb 2014 #91

The OP waves off other opinion by questioning the sources, here's the quote: Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #93

Yeah, I understand that... sibelian Feb 2014 #98

Besides the fact it's run by Russia's government? geek tragedy Feb 2014 #86

It seems most the RT's believers like them some Al Jazeera too.. EX500rider Feb 2014 #123

RT. LOL...nt SidDithers Feb 2014 #68

Will you laugh if our democracy is taken away from us? another_liberal Feb 2014 #76

I didn't laugh and i'm still not laughing. librechik Feb 2014 #83

As if the ANSWER crowd believes in democracy. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #84

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #80

I wouldn't disagree that government corruption is the primary triggering factor sibelian Feb 2014 #113

A.N.S.W.E.R. are Stalinist authoritarians, so duh. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #81

Stalinist? You really want to go on record with that? another_liberal Feb 2014 #100

Answer was founded by the WWP. It remains geek tragedy Feb 2014 #108

Do you have a link to the source . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #110

Check my edit. Becker wrote a love letter geek tragedy Feb 2014 #112

I see some support for the "people" of North Korea . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #116

wrong. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #118

yeah, slick, huh? Much smoother than Egypt or Libya. librechik Feb 2014 #82

Of course, Egypt and Lybia are polar opposites. Coyotl Feb 2014 #94

Much smoother, and fewer fingerprints too. another_liberal Feb 2014 #105

So the people protesting there treestar Feb 2014 #90

Do you deny that the West has been encouraging . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #102

so what if they were? treestar Feb 2014 #122

From media owned by the Russian opposition Progressive dog Feb 2014 #101

Is there a link to that? another_liberal Feb 2014 #104

Well known that RT news is Russian, Progressive dog Feb 2014 #115

I do, of course, know RT News is Russian (It's even in the name). another_liberal Feb 2014 #117

lmgtfy. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #119

Oh, you were referring to the headline you posted Progressive dog Feb 2014 #120

So, if I read this right, Obama got us the Ukraine, and Putin has Comrade Eddie as a msanthrope Feb 2014 #106

There you have it folks, straight from the Kremlin sponsored media outlet. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #114

RussianTimes & ANSWER are as credible as FOX News & the Tea Party KittyWampus Feb 2014 #125

Why does anyone think sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #127

recommend frwrfpos Feb 2014 #128