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In reply to the discussion: Yes, acknowledging privilege is hard work. [View all]El_Johns
(1,805 posts)87. I don't have a hard time with it at all. I just think it's useless as the educational tool
its proponents claim it to be.
In fact, it seems it was designed to foster division rather than solidarity.
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Your voice is one if the many voices quickly combining into a roar that won't be silenced
JJChambers
Feb 2014
#5
AWESOME OP. The new BS meme is only young snotty white folks call it "white privilege" . LOL.
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#11
It's a term coined by academics to describe a phenomenon..... and many many people who discuss race
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#18
You definitely do not know better than the African American activist community or a diverse group of
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#23
I'm afraid if anyone's been trying to "control" anything here, bettyellen, it's yourself.
AverageJoe90
Feb 2014
#25
You are the one hoping people reshape their conversations more to your liking.
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#27
"I will not speculate why you think your discomfort should be issue #1 for anyone else but you."
AverageJoe90
Feb 2014
#29
Um, no- people already DO use the word, and I think that is just fine. See how that works?
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#30
"some progressives even" say it ain't so Joe- you've left your bubble and talked to a few? WOW.
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#36
Who is this "we" Joe? Because I don't see anyone interested in your permission or input, LOL.
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#43
Never asked to grant "permission". You're just tugging at straws now, Betty.
AverageJoe90
Feb 2014
#46
Of course, and we never find "young snotty white folks" in academia, do we? n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Feb 2014
#49
"I can't help it if you actually took the bait!" An admission of trolling, perhaps? ;-)
AverageJoe90
Feb 2014
#72
Yep, it was a troll.....just like 99% of the other stuff you've posted lately. nt
AverageJoe90
Feb 2014
#76
In what way is "being aware of your privilege" materially different from acknowledging racism?
lumberjack_jeff
Feb 2014
#13
I understand what you're saying, but why do we need to call it "privilege"?
AverageJoe90
Feb 2014
#31
"magic words" WOW- who the heck would want to have a conversation with someone so contemptuous?
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#20
When you don't actually understand a concept(see"guilt") it's time to stop trying to educate others.
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#47
Frankly, I think that racial privilege isn't necessarily a bad framework to visualize the problem.
lumberjack_jeff
Feb 2014
#44
"Acknowledging racism is acknowledging the harm done to others." That much is true.
AverageJoe90
Feb 2014
#60
well apprently some are discussing this with conservative folk - and asking them what words make
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#38
"a lot of people have had issues with the term, including some progressives even" Mmmm, okaaay.
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#52
I am out and proud as far as disliking narrow minded conservative doublespeak. Those that engage in
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#65
"And that opinion is out of mainstream progressive thought" I'm afraid not.
AverageJoe90
Feb 2014
#68
Gosh, you need to get out more. Maybe go back to school? 3 years at DU, LOL....
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#74
Not at all- if you heard of it/ believed in it 5 years ago, and have not heard much since...
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#77
Well, you said it as if you believed it was for certain....not that it was possible.
AverageJoe90
Feb 2014
#81
I was aware of politics and social issues pretty young I suppose. And though my family and church
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#83
I think most everyone tends to exaggerate their own problems and downplay others'.
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#94
"To understand oppression, one needs to understand the opposite of oppression (privilege)."
Zenlitened
Feb 2014
#34
"to insist that the discussions be..." is how people here derail. They derail, then blame the word.
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#50
Oooh, pithy. Replace one word with a woefully incomlete laundry list. Yeah, maybe not.
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#66
Ridiculous comment. If you're trying to get people to understand what you mean, the pithy
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#78
it makes no sense at all not to use a phrase only because it needs a super long explaination-
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#79
Without an understanding of the very complex and varied set of conditions, what use is it? As
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#82
You have a completely useful term for something- that aptly describes a complicated concept-
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#84
Social scientists are not the population you claim to want to educate and enlighten.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#85
It is a pretty familair term, and you are allowed to explain it when needed!
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#86
I don't have a hard time with it at all. I just think it's useless as the educational tool
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#87
I think the word is a necesary part of any deep conversation about race and gender issues.
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#89
I think it promotes superficial conversations about race and also misunderstanding about race.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#95
that's pretty funny. yeah it's racist to acknowledge the many facets of racism. Okay Bye!!
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#97
But it doesn't acknowledge the many facets of racism. That's why it leads to superficial
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#98
it describes a different thing- and is a smaller, more quantifiable part of explaining privilege.
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#96
So... You're rubber, too bad so sad and those who seek to stop some words here
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#104
they are still oppressed by their race in a way that a similarly place white person is not. nt
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2014
#103
I guess one would need to believe that privilege is really the opposite of oppression
Redford
Feb 2014
#112