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belcffub

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14. the world needs a villain and for the left many have choosen the NRA...

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:30 PM

Mar 2012

Tragedy has been and will always be with us. Somewhere right now, evil people are planning evil things. All of us will do everything meaningful, everything we can do to prevent it, but each horrible act can’t become an axe for opportunists to cleave the very Bill of Rights that binds us. America must stop this predictable pattern of reaction. When an isolated terrible event occurs, our phones ring demanding that the NRA explain the inexplicable. Why us? Because their story needs a villain. … That is not our role in American society and we will not be forced to play it. … Now, if you disagree that’s your right, I respect that, but we will not relinquish it, or be silenced about it, or be told ‘do not come here, you are unwelcome in your own land.’

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I love this clip... but to get to the meat go to 7:00

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Meet George Zimmerman: He Is the NRA [View all] Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 OP

Zimmerman, Loughner, McVeigh... All NRA Poster Boys. nt onehandle Mar 2012 #1

Depends on what you mean by 'poster boy' RZM Mar 2012 #3

Basically agree, but the NRA's actions have made it much easier for the Loughners and Zimmermans. Hoyt Mar 2012 #4

Maybe so RZM Mar 2012 #5

I would put it like this: caseymoz Mar 2012 #11

Yes, society becomes a bit more interesting when the people are given a bit of freedom. Pacafishmate Mar 2012 #17

Freedom to carry a gun anywhere? That's not freedom. Hoyt Mar 2012 #19

Anyone who is fearful enough to believe they always need to carry a gun is not free. baldguy Mar 2012 #20

So people that live in high crime areas can never be free? hack89 Mar 2012 #21

Twin Lakes is a high crime area? baldguy Mar 2012 #22

So you were not talking about all CCW carriers, only one? hack89 Mar 2012 #23

Yes. Fearful and unarmed gets a lot fewer people slaughtered DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #42

Because criminals will never be able to get guns? hack89 Mar 2012 #51

I don't play games with gun worshipers. I respect gun owners DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #52

What do you think about gun grabbers that use the death of an innocent hack89 Mar 2012 #60

I don't like your choice of words, but I'll use them. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #112

Here is the issue I have with gun control hack89 Mar 2012 #113

FWIW Nevernose Mar 2012 #58

They like automatic weapons - can't buy those in an American gun shop. nt hack89 Mar 2012 #59

Well...there are a few gun shops where you can buy fully automatic weapons. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #62

exactly fascisthunter Mar 2012 #27

You call that "civilization"? Your definition of civilization is certainly a lot different than mine shraby Mar 2012 #32

Well, you're no fun here DonP Mar 2012 #6

The NRA Loves these money making icons. onehandle Mar 2012 #7

I don't base my opinions of the NRA RZM Mar 2012 #8

Sorry, I'm not privy to the NRA's inside numbers. onehandle Mar 2012 #13

I agree with the first part RZM Mar 2012 #39

You have just insinuated that all NRA members are like McVeigh. PavePusher Mar 2012 #98

Has Wayne given any speeches about this endorsement safeinOhio Mar 2012 #9

I don't know RZM Mar 2012 #10

What does that have to do with anything? Pacafishmate Mar 2012 #16

Wow, I was unaware of the National Reciprocity Act. Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2012 #2

Good lord. No words. n/t K Gardner Mar 2012 #12

the world needs a villain and for the left many have choosen the NRA... belcffub Mar 2012 #14

The NRA is a right-wing thug organization, and support of them will be challenged here DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #45

I disagree belcffub Mar 2012 #57

The article says it correctly - it's no surprise it happened in Florida - a gun nut's paradise Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #15

Yet their violent crime rates have fallen every year but two in the last 20 years hack89 Mar 2012 #24

You're incorrect. There was a crime drop in the entire U.S. in 2011. Florida has nothing to do Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #25

You missed my point hack89 Mar 2012 #26

Again, the entire nation has become safer, but you're equating that to gun ownership and pro-murder Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #28

No I am not. hack89 Mar 2012 #31

You're now changing your argument again. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #33

No - you simply failed to understand it. No suprise there. nt hack89 Mar 2012 #34

Like talking to a brick wall. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #36

Questions. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #38

Democrat hack89 Mar 2012 #44

Ok. But you're all pro-gun. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #54

Nothing wrong with that - it is a enumerated Constitutional right after all. nt hack89 Mar 2012 #56

There is no 2nd amendment issue with respect to SYG murder laws. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #63

I agree there are no 2A issues with SYG. hack89 Mar 2012 #64

Oh, here it comes, the famous "DU Tru Blu Litmus Paper"... BiggJawn Mar 2012 #100

No proof guns had anything to do with it. Even cities without guns went down. Logical Mar 2012 #40

So the law did not lead to an increase? X_Digger Mar 2012 #41

I agree with that. Sorry, I did not read close enough! Thanks Digger! Logical Mar 2012 #43

So you agree that more guns did not create more gun violence? hack89 Mar 2012 #46

Yes I do. But no proof more guns reduce crime either. Logical Mar 2012 #48

Never said it did - the causes of crime are complex. nt hack89 Mar 2012 #50

The OP is wrong about the National Reciprocity Act. hack89 Mar 2012 #18

LOL! Amazing what gun-lovers will say to support their gun love. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #29

So show me where I am wrong. Show me how every state must follow Florida gun laws. hack89 Mar 2012 #30

Wrong about what? Wrong that Zimmerman shot this kid with a gun? Wrong that this Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #35

Did you even read the damn OP? Did you read what it said about the National Reciprocity Act? hack89 Mar 2012 #47

I view lack of gun control the same way I do this law. What's the difference? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #53

Yet every year fewer and fewer are murdered. Are the laws defective? nt hack89 Mar 2012 #61

INCORRECT. Your absence of logic is too much. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #65

But more guns and these laws have not led to more murders - right? hack89 Mar 2012 #66

The U.S. decrease in crime during 2011 (if you bothered to read the article) Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #67

Crime has steadily decreased for the past 20 years. hack89 Mar 2012 #68

Gun crimes have dropped with more guns being sold? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #70

Read the FBI annual crime reports. Listen to what Obama's DOJ says hack89 Mar 2012 #72

I am not saying guns led to lower crime hack89 Mar 2012 #69

Oh stop it. I've lived in countries where guns are not prevalent and felt infinitely safer because Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #71

You have never been safer in America hack89 Mar 2012 #73

Still not safe enough Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #74

I feel very safe. hack89 Mar 2012 #75

Good for you. Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #76

Really? You're talking to someone who has lived abroad. Meanwhile, you haven't. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #77

I was born overseas. Lived four years in Japan as an adult. hack89 Mar 2012 #78

Where were your parents born? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #79

One in America, one in Europe. nt hack89 Mar 2012 #80

So your father was American. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #81

Is that significant? He was a life long Democrat by the way. nt hack89 Mar 2012 #82

Sure. He was American, a military guy, he met someone abroad, married her Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #83

And you would be wrong. nt hack89 Mar 2012 #84

I doubt it. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #85

Based on what? nt hack89 Mar 2012 #86

I'm pretty good at figuring people out. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #87

In other words you pulled it out of your butt. hack89 Mar 2012 #88

Not at all. I have you figured out. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #89

So then tell me hack89 Mar 2012 #90

Because you likely were born while he was in the military. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #91

And why is that significant? hack89 Mar 2012 #92

There's a mammoth difference between being born on a U.S. base, and living Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #97

And again a dodge. PavePusher Mar 2012 #103

When I was stationed in Japan for four years I never lived on base. hack89 Mar 2012 #104

The key word here is stationed. You did not move abroad to live there as a Japanese. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #107

So what. hack89 Mar 2012 #108

Dodging. Again. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #102

No one is claiming what you are insinuating. PavePusher Mar 2012 #101

Dodge. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #99

Where your fallacy is wrong? It's not even there yet. It's still in the fallacy stage. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #96

This reply is more incomprehensible then normal hack89 Mar 2012 #105

I've said all I'm going to say. You people have destroyed this country's safety Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #106

How do you explain a 20 year decline in gun violence? hack89 Mar 2012 #109

You've spent several days on here attempting to convince me that 1) gun crime rate has dropped - bs Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #110

So guns have created more crime yet crime is at historic lows? Strange logic there. hack89 Mar 2012 #111

Ain't it, though? The death toll from handguns continues to pile up, and yet nothing - NOTHING - apocalypsehow Mar 2012 #93

They don't care. And by the way, I like the quotation marks there. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #95

Don't bother me with facts, son, I'm on a roll here! X_Digger Mar 2012 #49

I wouldn't be surprised if he posted at the Free Republic too LynneSin Mar 2012 #37

I said it before and I'll say it again: fuck the NRA. Initech Mar 2012 #55

Were you hoping for flames? ellisonz Mar 2012 #94