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AdHocSolver

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19. People use values to figure out whose side the politician is on.

Tue Dec 20, 2011, 01:45 AM

Dec 2011

If they cannot understand the policies and how it affects them, then the voters will try to determine whose side the politician is on by looking at that politician's stated values.

The wealthy elite one percent used the mantra that "Democrats will raise your taxes" to convince people that Democrats were not on their side, and Republicans promised no tax increases. Of course, it worked because Republicans have been proclaiming for years that all taxes are evil. This is a value statement, not a policy statement.

The 2010 election results suggests that what a politician says is as important, if not more important, than declared policies.

Obama overdid the "reaching across the aisle" theme. He actually helped Republicans appear "reasonable", which gave them credibility and confused voters about whose side he was on. Many of the people he added to his administration added to the confusion about "whose side he was on", and had a negative effect on the voting in 2010.

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What I really expected from Obama-- [View all] eridani Dec 2011 OP

I expected a Constitutional Law professional to support the constitution FreakinDJ Dec 2011 #1

They care about values? Most don't care about politics, nevermind values. nt babylonsister Dec 2011 #2

They certainly do eridani Dec 2011 #3

People use values to figure out whose side the politician is on. AdHocSolver Dec 2011 #19

This is the best political OP pscot Dec 2011 #4

+1 -- was just about to say the same thing. nashville_brook Dec 2011 #5

Word XemaSab Dec 2011 #20

i'm seeing a lot of new energy on the state/local level (occupy energy) nashville_brook Dec 2011 #6

Likewise. I'm having some luck in convincing people that local races eridani Dec 2011 #9

Good luck... I practically need bifocals to tell the difference between Obama and Romney on policy.. LooseWilly Dec 2011 #7

Politicians promise everything prepperdad Dec 2011 #8

It takes far more than voting every couple of years to change things n/t eridani Dec 2011 #10

President Obama has KEPT 159 of his campaign promises so far. Tx4obama Dec 2011 #13

This is the kind of laundry list bullshit that could lose us the election in 2012 eridani Dec 2011 #17

What do you mean 'bullshit' ??? Tx4obama Dec 2011 #21

Because the general public does not give a bloody goddam about laundry lists eridani Dec 2011 #23

I wonder what exactly is so hard to understand about what you wrote? SammyWinstonJack Dec 2011 #29

I 'understand' what was written, I just don't agree with it. Tx4obama Dec 2011 #32

Obama did not have to appoint a useless bankster whore like Geithner eridani Dec 2011 #40

Because not ALL promises weigh the same. bvar22 Dec 2011 #31

Your laundry list is great! As long as no one compares it to ... AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #34

That list is bullshit too n/t eridani Dec 2011 #37

I expected a similar creative energy to the election. Starry Messenger Dec 2011 #11

The creative energy of the campaign came from below eridani Dec 2011 #12

I think it is working its way into OWS. Starry Messenger Dec 2011 #14

That's a good thing, but it still matters who holds office eridani Dec 2011 #18

Thank you. Good analysis. JDPriestly Dec 2011 #15

Good commentary. K and R. n/t AdHocSolver Dec 2011 #16

Wouldn't it be a good idea to wait until Obama gets into full campaign mode before ... Tx4obama Dec 2011 #22

Unfortunately, OFA is pushing the same kind of laundry list nonsense that got us creamed in 2010 n/ eridani Dec 2011 #24

Saying we got creamed in 2010 do to lists of Obama's accomplishments is baseless n/t Tx4obama Dec 2011 #25

In 2010, our local OFA refused to talk about values eridani Dec 2011 #26

It is part of why we lost, that sort of tactic and the mentality that says Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #38

Yes! People want you to hear about their lives, and want to be convinced-- eridani Dec 2011 #41

Well we will have to agree to disagree, because the lists I post are helpful to folks Tx4obama Dec 2011 #43

Interesting and insightful. Thanks. k&r n/t Laelth Dec 2011 #27

I wish there were a way to get a Canadian's take on what you just said. n/t leeroysphitz Dec 2011 #28

"Obama-imposed distraction of the Catfood Commission" LOL great white snark Dec 2011 #30

+1 redqueen Dec 2011 #33

It was not necessary. We did not NEED a fucking Deficit Commission putting eridani Dec 2011 #36

I got a fundraising call from OFA a few weeks ago dflprincess Dec 2011 #49

Please reconsider the resignation eridani Dec 2011 #50

Oh I'll still caucus dflprincess Dec 2011 #51

The young people I know here are much more energized by Occupy and advocating for social justice suffragette Dec 2011 #35

Obama's 2012 campaign hasn't kicked off yet. Just wait a bit :) n/t Tx4obama Dec 2011 #44

No, but OFA is holding workshops long on laundry lists and short on values n/t eridani Dec 2011 #48

Great post. Obama is now like water to carry Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #39

Indeed. Duty more than joy eridani Dec 2011 #42

I really like your post, and thanks ... dawg Dec 2011 #45

I keep hollering about Repukes whacking us for 30 years because they eridani Dec 2011 #46

Agreed. dawg Dec 2011 #47