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Oakenshield

(614 posts)
53. So Socialism IS a dirty word?!
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 04:20 PM
Mar 2014

With all due respect, liberals like you are the reason why the Democratic party is plagued by centrist politics. Get out of the way, you're not helping.

Fuck that NoOneMan Mar 2014 #1
LOL. Laelth Mar 2014 #4
The argument was without merit NoOneMan Mar 2014 #11
It doesn't bother me. Laelth Mar 2014 #26
To an incredibly weak statement NoOneMan Mar 2014 #27
I agree completely with your OP JaneyVee Mar 2014 #152
That's it in a nut-shell. Thanks. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #200
It's that "unregulated" capitalism that is the problem. kentuck Mar 2014 #233
FDR and LBJ proved that capitalism can, in fact, be regulated. Laelth Mar 2014 #345
All FDR and LBJ proved is that capitalism can be regulated TEMPORARILY, Raksha Mar 2014 #352
I don't disagree, per se. Laelth Mar 2014 #357
agreed. capitalism is about profit over resources Whisp Mar 2014 #276
I hear what you're saying Laelth, however, loudsue Mar 2014 #2
So trashing it publicly will get the slower students to re-think it and do what exactly? LionsTigersRedWings Mar 2014 #12
Change the way this country lets it run rampant over people, the environment, loudsue Mar 2014 #22
So you would like to see what to OP talks about, Capitalism with liberal laws in place to LionsTigersRedWings Mar 2014 #25
Yep n/t loudsue Mar 2014 #46
Won't work lark Mar 2014 #74
Have you considered it's the political apparatus and not the economic apparatus that's to blame? kristopher Mar 2014 #85
In the future everything not prohibited will be mandatory Fumesucker Mar 2014 #223
Mandatory voting is the best tool for ensuring a democracy that functions. kristopher Mar 2014 #225
I don't think it would make much if any difference in our propaganda drenched society Fumesucker Mar 2014 #235
That is, by FAR, the lesser of two evils. kristopher Mar 2014 #237
How do you know it will be "a small fine"? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #238
I'm sorry... kristopher Mar 2014 #239
You made a statement and now don't want to back it up? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #241
No, I don't want to back it up. kristopher Mar 2014 #242
I thought Australia was doing quite well with compulsory voting. Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #252
Sorry to burst your bubble, but . . . . Tony Abbott hatrack Mar 2014 #322
OK, but what alternative do we propose? Laelth Mar 2014 #29
We ARE proposing something as an alternative. Where have you been? loudsue Mar 2014 #43
Indeed. I agree with all that you propose. Laelth Mar 2014 #81
I thought the original post might have been satire PATRICK Mar 2014 #278
Yep, 1950s talking points... Raksha Mar 2014 #353
Capitalism would work splendidly if only if weren't what it is. delrem Mar 2014 #173
Socialism hasn't actually been tried. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #84
I have read Bakunin, and I have heard that argument many times. Laelth Mar 2014 #114
What Republicans seem to forget... NancyDL Mar 2014 #130
Well, that's your head WELL above the parapet. sibelian Mar 2014 #3
I can withstand the barrage. Laelth Mar 2014 #13
The alternative is to take from the rich, and give to the poor .... oldhippie Mar 2014 #24
That's the definition of liberalism. Laelth Mar 2014 #35
See? You're trashing socialism. It's not black & white. That is why people need to re-think loudsue Mar 2014 #32
I am trashing socialism, yes. Laelth Mar 2014 #45
I agree with that 100%. So...capitalism doesn't need you to speak up for it... loudsue Mar 2014 #51
Capitalism in this country HAS gone bad. Laelth Mar 2014 #60
No it DOESN'T mean state ownership of all property, that's COMMUNISM. sibelian Mar 2014 #52
The U.K. is a capitalist society. Laelth Mar 2014 #64
Yes, OK fair enough, the beef isn't worth chewing. sibelian Mar 2014 #71
LOL. Cheers, my friend. Laelth Mar 2014 #87
Huh? tea and oranges Mar 2014 #180
Perhaps I erred in my wording. Laelth Mar 2014 #220
Sigh! tea and oranges Mar 2014 #243
"If only capitalism didn't produce capitalists...".... socialist_n_TN Mar 2014 #245
I don't know. Laelth Mar 2014 #256
Have You Not Noticed the Gov't of Australia's Gone Right Wing? tea and oranges Mar 2014 #259
Its not right wing as we know it. Notafraidtoo Mar 2014 #277
As in the economic decision to go full speed ahead tea and oranges Mar 2014 #284
Australian Liberalism? Fairgo Mar 2014 #307
Thanks for the tip. Laelth Mar 2014 #309
So you telling me that the Norther European SOCIAL DEMOCRACIES nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #109
They can call themselves socialist all they want. Laelth Mar 2014 #132
But they ARE social democracies nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #134
Here's what Truman had to say about this distinction. Laelth Mar 2014 #228
Need I remind you that was the height of the COLD WAR nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #230
You are conflating so many terms it is making my head hurt. blackspade Mar 2014 #249
Thank you for this clarification. Laelth Mar 2014 #255
I say yes, Capitalism is a dirty word. blackspade Mar 2014 #261
In fact, I don't disagree with you ... about the word. Laelth Mar 2014 #287
Not criticisizing you, but... OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #133
What we call it in my econ and int'l business courses laundry_queen Mar 2014 #148
I think your definition of socialism might be a LITTLE strict, there... sibelian Mar 2014 #34
I think a lot of people throw around the word "socialism" without knowing what it means. Laelth Mar 2014 #47
... sibelian Mar 2014 #68
You are talking about communism, not socialism. lark Mar 2014 #110
Liberal socialism (like they have in some European countries) is just liberalsim. Laelth Mar 2014 #117
Hi Laelth... ReRe Mar 2014 #150
The right calls everyone to the left of Hitler a socialist. Laelth Mar 2014 #288
The OP is just a Semantical Game LarryNM Mar 2014 #176
In part, yes. Laelth Mar 2014 #222
Is that in the context of ethics or in the context of efficiency? LanternWaste Mar 2014 #120
I admit that I am not terribly interested in efficiency. Laelth Mar 2014 #138
thanks, Laelth cali Mar 2014 #5
Thanks for the kind words, cali. Laelth Mar 2014 #37
Capitalism is an unjust means of dividing resources. That seems pretty "dirty" to me. MNBrewer Mar 2014 #6
This rests on your notions of "just". sibelian Mar 2014 #9
I would agree, and that lack of critical examination has gotten us to this paradise, called MNBrewer Mar 2014 #16
Perhaps capitalism is unjust. Laelth Mar 2014 #54
Capitalism can be two farmers trading an apple and an orange... TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2014 #82
No, that is just trade cprise Mar 2014 #96
Someone needs to go back to school TorchTheWitch Mar 2014 #248
Sharecropping (a concentration of wealth) has been a major feature of capitalism. cprise Mar 2014 #254
I can see why you failed at this in school TorchTheWitch Mar 2014 #272
Exactly... Trade IS capitalism... TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2014 #372
It works well for some. It has never worked well for all. Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #7
Until we have a viable alternative, I see no option but to make the best of it. Laelth Mar 2014 #56
I'm still betting on Socialism. nt Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #61
No, it's a dirty economic system. rug Mar 2014 #8
But what can those of us on the left offer that would be better? Laelth Mar 2014 #153
"the system under which we...have prospered" handmade34 Mar 2014 #194
Its core value of reducing everything, including humans, to a commodity can be explicitly rejected. rug Mar 2014 #218
Nah, we should go with communism LittleBlue Mar 2014 #10
When exploiting the earth and the people to fashion unnecessary comforts to be... NoOneMan Mar 2014 #20
I'll have Green Goddess, please. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #50
See? That's just ignorant as hell. Like it is supposed to be some dogma that everyone can live by. loudsue Mar 2014 #36
Thank you. nt sibelian Mar 2014 #41
I disagree with your basic definition of socialism.... mike_c Mar 2014 #14
Unrestrained capitalism is evil, admittedly. Laelth Mar 2014 #163
worker control of the means of production was the norm before the industrial revolution.... mike_c Mar 2014 #174
+1 Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #234
I have no interest in going back to a medieval economy. Laelth Mar 2014 #289
that's not at all what I said, but you're also demonstrating quite a bit of misunderstanding... mike_c Mar 2014 #351
I have read Dickens. Laelth Mar 2014 #356
+1 n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #374
Good luck wih that. oldhippie Mar 2014 #15
LOL. Thanks. Laelth Mar 2014 #164
Well-regulated capitalism for me, thanks. Scuba Mar 2014 #17
Also known as "cocoon-capitalism" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #86
Thanks for the post, Scuba. Laelth Mar 2014 #347
Your definition of socialism is wrong, too. MNBrewer Mar 2014 #18
I got my definition from Marx and Engles, I think. Laelth Mar 2014 #166
They didn't coin the term at all. nt Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #177
No, they certainlywould didn't coin the term fishwax Mar 2014 #189
SOmething like that, yeah. MNBrewer Mar 2014 #219
"Liberals are capitalists" FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #19
LOL. Admittedly, I have not met every person who self-identifies as a liberal. Laelth Mar 2014 #167
I'm saying that you've chosen to define the word in your own terms FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #168
I was wondering that myself, but I thought maybe I'd just missed the memo. Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2014 #207
Liberalism and socialism are very different things. Laelth Mar 2014 #257
Truman said something bad about socialism so liberals are capitalists? FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #260
Umm ... Laelth Mar 2014 #264
...at least in Truman's view. FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #282
Capitalism relies on consumption. upaloopa Mar 2014 #21
It seems our disagreement, if any, is merely semantic. Laelth Mar 2014 #172
Yes I think we define things differently upaloopa Mar 2014 #181
Truman, of course, argued that Social Security is what PREVENTED socialism. Laelth Mar 2014 #262
Where does social security come in that statement? upaloopa Mar 2014 #283
Hmm ... Laelth Mar 2014 #286
Who is we? Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #23
The "we" in the OP refers to American liberals. Laelth Mar 2014 #175
I don't think you, or any one person, can speak for LWolf Mar 2014 #362
You are quite right, of course. I stand corrected. Laelth Mar 2014 #363
I want a system that benefits the 99%. LWolf Mar 2014 #369
Any economic model that commodifies everything is toxic villager Mar 2014 #28
I don't disagree with you. Laelth Mar 2014 #182
I'm more of a democratic socialist. Though one fellow writer describes it as "Left Libertarian" villager Mar 2014 #186
More to the point, there's more than one kind of capitalism... JHB Mar 2014 #30
CHRIST!!! Look at 1955!!! I had no bloody idea. sibelian Mar 2014 #38
That was only if you made over $1.5 Million per year IN 1955 dollars.... loudsue Mar 2014 #58
Um... sibelian Mar 2014 #72
Actually, that's if you made over $400K in 1955 dollars... JHB Mar 2014 #129
Lots of people have no bloody idea JHB Mar 2014 #170
Very interesting post, JHB. And you can see how they were able to successfully loudsue Mar 2014 #269
If we are to continue to have Capitalism, the Keynesian model is the best. PotatoChip Mar 2014 #89
What are liberal laws? I don't see the word 'regulation' in your post, is that what you mean? Avalux Mar 2014 #31
Excellent question. Thank you. Laelth Mar 2014 #187
Socialism is common ownership of the means of production. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #33
So under your system... MicaelS Mar 2014 #90
What's the problem with that? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #102
The problem is that it is a disincentive to grow the business... MicaelS Mar 2014 #143
Why is that a disincentive? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #146
Yes! Why do we have to keep batting down RW talking points here? Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2014 #179
... handmade34 Mar 2014 #195
That attitude is the problem. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #204
We can't legislate altruism. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #266
The point is that the use of public resources has to go towards benefiting the whole. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #113
You've pointed out a very obvious problem with "capitalism is evil" sibelian Mar 2014 #118
+1. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #310
Property is Theft ~ Pierre-Joseph Proudhon Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #97
+! n/t LarryNM Mar 2014 #169
I like your definition, and I can work with it. Laelth Mar 2014 #290
"There is a difference between "private property" and "personal property". Most important post ^ n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #375
'liberal' is what created the corrupted system we now live with. nt xchrom Mar 2014 #39
Exactly. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #95
Thank You. Like Howard Zinn said, (paraphrasing) Skeeter Barnes Mar 2014 #155
What can I say? I am sorry to hear that you feel that way. Laelth Mar 2014 #191
If only we still lived in a capitalist society. Alas we live in a plutocracy now. Rex Mar 2014 #40
I hear you, but the US is and always has been an oligarchy. Laelth Mar 2014 #193
an oligarchy that meets the needs of all the people." is perhaps the most fanciful statement ever TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #370
Perhaps. Laelth Mar 2014 #373
You think the oligarchs are the office holders? No wonder we have a failure to communicate. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #378
Hmm ... Laelth Mar 2014 #379
Well, if the oligarchs are beyond election then I'm missing the "how" to get benign ones TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #380
Let me see if I can explain. Laelth Mar 2014 #381
That was well written and you know what? I substantially agree with you. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #382
First... that took guts. 1awake Mar 2014 #42
First, let me say "thank you" for the kind words. Laelth Mar 2014 #198
bullshit. Capitalism does not work for the vast majority. bowens43 Mar 2014 #44
It does with proper controls. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #139
Some times I pray that armies of true Progressives would become business owners bluestate10 Mar 2014 #250
Safety nets and labor protections are good for business. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #271
I thought we had pretty much all agreed on a mixed approach by now? ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2014 #48
Not only agreed to it, but implemented it. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #57
Glad you made an OP on this Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #49
Sigh. This thread has been a major drain on my mental reserves. Laelth Mar 2014 #202
Yep! Glad you did too. Maybe I'll read through more later Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #203
So Socialism IS a dirty word?! Oakenshield Mar 2014 #53
Not a dirty word; just a fantasy word... brooklynite Mar 2014 #59
Bullshit. Oakenshield Mar 2014 #63
...and all of those were built within a capitalist system... brooklynite Mar 2014 #93
Brilliant argument. Oakenshield Mar 2014 #108
I don't say that something that hasn't been tried should never be tried... brooklynite Mar 2014 #116
I really had no idea the northern European countries were small settlements nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #121
Capitalism has been outlawed in Scandinavia? brooklynite Mar 2014 #135
Scandinavia *IS* a social democracy nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #137
Social Democracy *IS NOT* SocialISM brooklynite Mar 2014 #144
Well I guess my poli sci instructor who used to be CIA nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #145
I would only be "afraid" if I thought the prospect was real... brooklynite Mar 2014 #156
Go join the real world nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #159
Oh and here from them pesky commies at Foreign Affairs Magazine nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #231
Nor do I. Laelth Mar 2014 #359
So you're afraid. Own up to it and move aside. Oakenshield Mar 2014 #126
That's the problem. They haven't existed at a national level. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #206
It's not a fantasy word, it's a political PHILOSOPHY, not a hard-wired SYSTEM. sibelian Mar 2014 #80
I don't think anyone equates "Public Sector" with "socialism" as an economic structure. brooklynite Mar 2014 #98
With the possible exception of the self identifed SOCIALIST politicians sibelian Mar 2014 #131
What the OP has described IS SOCIAL DEMOCRACY nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #101
I cannot disagree. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #136
Hi Laelth. I like your posts a lot. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #55
You may be interested in the philosophy of Mutualism. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #105
Cool! I'll check into these. It's looking to me as if capitalism can only lead in one direction Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #112
Hello, Sarah. Laelth Mar 2014 #205
I am sorry that your thoughts are profane PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #62
Also, theoretically, capitalism will always result in monopolies in the end laundry_queen Mar 2014 #157
That's quite true of unregulated capitalism. Laelth Mar 2014 #208
I disagree. laundry_queen Mar 2014 #253
Deregulated, unchecked capitalism is the real underlying danger. Initech Mar 2014 #65
Hear, hear! n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #209
Socialism isn't "state ownership of all property." Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #66
Hear! Hear! [n/t] Maedhros Mar 2014 #185
Ethically, I agree with you about the nature of capitalism. Laelth Mar 2014 #215
Distribution of power. Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2014 #67
I can't disagree with that. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #291
Good thread and post. Trashing capitalism is cool, particularly if you don't understand it... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #69
So is trashing socialism nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #122
Yes, the irony of that statement was not lost on me, LOL. laundry_queen Mar 2014 #160
People have no idea nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #162
This message was self-deleted by its author Laelth Mar 2014 #293
This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #295
I misunderstood you. My apologies. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #297
I hope you realize nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #70
Ya beat me to it. n/t malthaussen Mar 2014 #92
Perhaps. But it's not socialism. Laelth Mar 2014 #292
I will be charitable and use the *other term* used by experts nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #301
I will concede that you are the expert on the meaning of words. Laelth Mar 2014 #306
Sorry but that is: DeSwiss Mar 2014 #73
LOL. Extraordinarily creative response. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #294
I agree. In the public debate, we need to talk more about ETHICAL Capitalism, Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #75
Hear, hear! We need to win elections. Laelth Mar 2014 #296
Americans are brought up to put capitalism on a pedestal Maedhros Mar 2014 #76
I hear you on that. Laelth Mar 2014 #298
My suggestion is to transition away from capitalism, rather than accede to it. Maedhros Mar 2014 #308
There's no such thing as pure capitalism or pure socialism kristopher Mar 2014 #77
"to limit the accumulation and concentration of capital," is essential! Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2014 #199
Seen as a spectrum, this makes sense. Laelth Mar 2014 #303
But, when it combines with government to run the country it becomes Fascism. Which is a dirty word. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #78
BINGO! Rex Mar 2014 #83
Yes, that's my understanding of the word fascism, or, "corporatism" as Moussolini called it. Laelth Mar 2014 #304
UNREGULATED capitalism cannot be successful. elleng Mar 2014 #79
Agreed. Unregulated capitalism leads to Mexico and Somalia. Laelth Mar 2014 #361
Ditto, elleng Mar 2014 #368
Not buying that. Rider3 Mar 2014 #88
Good thing I gave it to you for free, then. Laelth Mar 2014 #305
You mean like these Liberals? Zorra Mar 2014 #91
Um ... no. Laelth Mar 2014 #267
I have always liked you Laelth - TBF Mar 2014 #94
Thank you for the kind words. Laelth Mar 2014 #311
It seems the banksters didn't get the message. Cleita Mar 2014 #99
Socialism, or regulation to achieve social goals. riqster Mar 2014 #119
If what you call socialism is what I call liberalism, then I agree. Laelth Mar 2014 #312
Also - TBF Mar 2014 #100
I think history has proven that we CAN regulate capitalism. Laelth Mar 2014 #313
Were they "advances" though? TBF Mar 2014 #324
Indeed. That is the question. Laelth Mar 2014 #328
Yes, that is spot on re purpose of liberalism. TBF Mar 2014 #344
Agree completely with the OP. riqster Mar 2014 #103
Yes, he does, and thanks. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #314
NP riqster Mar 2014 #319
It is to me. johnp3907 Mar 2014 #104
To be honest, it is to most Americans I know. Laelth Mar 2014 #316
I'm a liberal and I say capitalism sucks. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #106
Fine, but it's not terribly useful to make that argument, is it? Laelth Mar 2014 #317
Capitalism is what's wrong with the country. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #346
Agree. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #107
When capital controls government, we call that fascism. Laelth Mar 2014 #318
Problem is, capitalism is based on a fundamental flaw... malthaussen Mar 2014 #111
That is a very serious problem, I agree. Laelth Mar 2014 #320
I have always considered myself a liberal capitalist. closeupready Mar 2014 #115
Same here. Thanks for the response. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #321
There is a couple of decent posts on DU regarding David Simon. fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #123
I'm with you L, I've got no problem with that economic system tech3149 Mar 2014 #124
Agreed. Unrestrained, laissez-faire capitalism bites. Laelth Mar 2014 #329
It's a dirty word when America decides it's policy is to promote it by murder. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #125
I can't argue with that. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #330
True. Unchecked, capitalism leads to a situation ... NancyDL Mar 2014 #127
Hear, hear! Well said. Laelth Mar 2014 #331
Tell that to Exxon Valdez survivors. raven mad Mar 2014 #128
Accidents never happen in non-Capitalist systems? brooklynite Mar 2014 #147
+2000! raven mad Mar 2014 #190
The Exxon Valdez spill was an avoidable accident, neccessary equipment was left Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #315
No, but it is unsustainable. nt redqueen Mar 2014 #140
Hard to say, but we're stuck with it for the moment, I think. Laelth Mar 2014 #332
Unfettered Capitalism is, though. liberalmuse Mar 2014 #141
You can tell that to the children of America that died for a few table scraps. Rex Mar 2014 #142
One of those kids could have been my dad. He went down into the Cleita Mar 2014 #236
If capitalism is so great why does it need to be regulated? fasttense Mar 2014 #149
.... handmade34 Mar 2014 #197
So the system you want needs no regulation? JoePhilly Mar 2014 #216
That's actually why state socialism has yet to succeed. joshcryer Mar 2014 #265
The system I want needs no regulation to prevent the rich from abusing the 99%. fasttense Mar 2014 #279
I think we're much better off today than most Americans during the Gilded Age. Laelth Mar 2014 #341
But capitalism caused the Gilded Age as much as it has caused the current crisis. fasttense Mar 2014 #371
capitalism is dirty, filthy, unfair heaven05 Mar 2014 #151
Laelth, a sane, just, and humane capitalism appears to be out of our reach. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #154
I don't disagree. Laelth Mar 2014 #339
check out Gar Alperovitz's "What then is to be done" about democratic ownership zazen Mar 2014 #158
Thanks for the link. Laelth Mar 2014 #211
But that idealized capitalism is a chimera, it has never existed......... marmar Mar 2014 #161
Because it's a contradiction in terms. nt delrem Mar 2014 #178
No, 'socialism' doesn't mean state ownership of all property. delrem Mar 2014 #165
I am open to discussing your definition of socialism as soon as you produce it. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #224
Do your own work. nt delrem Mar 2014 #226
I'll let Harry S. Truman speak for me on this one. Laelth Mar 2014 #229
yes, I'm sure you feel righteous in your affirmations. delrem Mar 2014 #244
"Liberal" in the USA is not the same as globally. joshcryer Mar 2014 #171
Well,. there is that too nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #183
Capitalism fails without socialist reforms/checks fishwax Mar 2014 #184
Those programs have been called "socialist." Laelth Mar 2014 #227
nah, they were socialist fishwax Mar 2014 #247
Capitalism is based on profiting off of other people frwrfpos Mar 2014 #188
It is sad watching someone get socialism and communism mixed up. Rex Mar 2014 #192
That slur was particularly unkind. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #210
No offense, but it is true. I see that mistake made all the time here in Texas by RWingers. Rex Mar 2014 #212
It's all good. Laelth Mar 2014 #325
I see that now and appreciate the elaboration, which makes (for me) your OP make a lot more sense. Rex Mar 2014 #326
If I were to re-write the OP now, I'd do a much better job. Laelth Mar 2014 #327
Seems like a good time to post this. Didn't see it posted in this thread yet. redqueen Mar 2014 #213
I've given your exact explanation almost to right wingers treestar Mar 2014 #196
I know. Their understanding of political theory is often limited. Laelth Mar 2014 #201
From what I read above, some on the left might lop off your head for daring ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #214
Thanks for the moral support and for the kind words. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #323
As with the judiciary, there are two systems... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #217
Is what we currently have "capitalism"? Faryn Balyncd Mar 2014 #221
Killer-good post. Laelth Mar 2014 #333
Are you familiar with the work of Charles M. Kelly, Laelth? Faryn Balyncd Mar 2014 #348
Actually, no. I was not familiar with his work. Laelth Mar 2014 #358
I mostly agree with you. It the fetishizing of unfettered capitalism that creates economic chaos Bucky Mar 2014 #232
Capitalism may not be a dirty word but I'm not a liberal jimlup Mar 2014 #240
Your understanding of capitalism is flawed blackspade Mar 2014 #246
Agree with you on almost everything. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #258
I was trying to use modern terminology for 'socialism' blackspade Mar 2014 #263
I think you made up those definitions on the fly. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #268
Wrong in what way? blackspade Mar 2014 #270
There's no need for "regulation" in a socialist economy. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #280
You're confusing socialist and state capitalist. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #281
I don't like your definitions, for reasons expressed above, but yes. Laelth Mar 2014 #334
This has been a very stimulating conversation actually. blackspade Mar 2014 #349
Capitalism is a practice, not a belief system. Deep13 Mar 2014 #251
I hear you, and I am aware of Marx's use of the word. Laelth Mar 2014 #335
ownership means control and dominion. Deep13 Mar 2014 #355
Sheesh MFrohike Mar 2014 #273
Perhaps, but context is relevant here. Laelth Mar 2014 #338
Oh, I got the context MFrohike Mar 2014 #340
Feel free to hide the thread if you don't like it. Laelth Mar 2014 #342
Sigh MFrohike Mar 2014 #354
The problem is that any criticism of capitalism is considered communistic by people who love liberal_at_heart Mar 2014 #274
All talk about the success of capitalism is based on a small exceptional period TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #275
That's like saying slavery is not the problem, it just needs better regulation. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #285
Most people don't even know the meaning RobertEarl Mar 2014 #299
It's often forgotten that Liberalism is a capitalist ideology. WatermelonRat Mar 2014 #300
Quite. Laelth Mar 2014 #343
No, it's a clean word for a dirty system. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #302
It promotes a zero sum mentality that is detrimental to human developement. idendoit Mar 2014 #336
Social democracy like they have in Western Europe is basically the best thing that's been tested... Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #337
Speak for yourself! In my world, capitalism *IS* a dirty word. Raksha Mar 2014 #350
In my book, Sweden is not a socialist country. Laelth Mar 2014 #360
Sweden uses a capitalist economic model soflo80 Mar 2014 #364
Sadly, we do not have a well-regulated, fair free market economy arcane1 Mar 2014 #365
+1 to soflo80. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #367
It's "The 'C' Word" AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #366
When our "capitalists" lose money, our government runs in to bail them out. That's not "capitalism" Romulox Mar 2014 #376
You'll get no argument from me on that. Laelth Mar 2014 #377
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