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TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
82. Capitalism can be two farmers trading an apple and an orange...
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 04:49 PM
Mar 2014

They can both benefit. I think what your attacking is corporatism.

Fuck that NoOneMan Mar 2014 #1
LOL. Laelth Mar 2014 #4
The argument was without merit NoOneMan Mar 2014 #11
It doesn't bother me. Laelth Mar 2014 #26
To an incredibly weak statement NoOneMan Mar 2014 #27
I agree completely with your OP JaneyVee Mar 2014 #152
That's it in a nut-shell. Thanks. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #200
It's that "unregulated" capitalism that is the problem. kentuck Mar 2014 #233
FDR and LBJ proved that capitalism can, in fact, be regulated. Laelth Mar 2014 #345
All FDR and LBJ proved is that capitalism can be regulated TEMPORARILY, Raksha Mar 2014 #352
I don't disagree, per se. Laelth Mar 2014 #357
agreed. capitalism is about profit over resources Whisp Mar 2014 #276
I hear what you're saying Laelth, however, loudsue Mar 2014 #2
So trashing it publicly will get the slower students to re-think it and do what exactly? LionsTigersRedWings Mar 2014 #12
Change the way this country lets it run rampant over people, the environment, loudsue Mar 2014 #22
So you would like to see what to OP talks about, Capitalism with liberal laws in place to LionsTigersRedWings Mar 2014 #25
Yep n/t loudsue Mar 2014 #46
Won't work lark Mar 2014 #74
Have you considered it's the political apparatus and not the economic apparatus that's to blame? kristopher Mar 2014 #85
In the future everything not prohibited will be mandatory Fumesucker Mar 2014 #223
Mandatory voting is the best tool for ensuring a democracy that functions. kristopher Mar 2014 #225
I don't think it would make much if any difference in our propaganda drenched society Fumesucker Mar 2014 #235
That is, by FAR, the lesser of two evils. kristopher Mar 2014 #237
How do you know it will be "a small fine"? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #238
I'm sorry... kristopher Mar 2014 #239
You made a statement and now don't want to back it up? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #241
No, I don't want to back it up. kristopher Mar 2014 #242
I thought Australia was doing quite well with compulsory voting. Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #252
Sorry to burst your bubble, but . . . . Tony Abbott hatrack Mar 2014 #322
OK, but what alternative do we propose? Laelth Mar 2014 #29
We ARE proposing something as an alternative. Where have you been? loudsue Mar 2014 #43
Indeed. I agree with all that you propose. Laelth Mar 2014 #81
I thought the original post might have been satire PATRICK Mar 2014 #278
Yep, 1950s talking points... Raksha Mar 2014 #353
Capitalism would work splendidly if only if weren't what it is. delrem Mar 2014 #173
Socialism hasn't actually been tried. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #84
I have read Bakunin, and I have heard that argument many times. Laelth Mar 2014 #114
What Republicans seem to forget... NancyDL Mar 2014 #130
Well, that's your head WELL above the parapet. sibelian Mar 2014 #3
I can withstand the barrage. Laelth Mar 2014 #13
The alternative is to take from the rich, and give to the poor .... oldhippie Mar 2014 #24
That's the definition of liberalism. Laelth Mar 2014 #35
See? You're trashing socialism. It's not black & white. That is why people need to re-think loudsue Mar 2014 #32
I am trashing socialism, yes. Laelth Mar 2014 #45
I agree with that 100%. So...capitalism doesn't need you to speak up for it... loudsue Mar 2014 #51
Capitalism in this country HAS gone bad. Laelth Mar 2014 #60
No it DOESN'T mean state ownership of all property, that's COMMUNISM. sibelian Mar 2014 #52
The U.K. is a capitalist society. Laelth Mar 2014 #64
Yes, OK fair enough, the beef isn't worth chewing. sibelian Mar 2014 #71
LOL. Cheers, my friend. Laelth Mar 2014 #87
Huh? tea and oranges Mar 2014 #180
Perhaps I erred in my wording. Laelth Mar 2014 #220
Sigh! tea and oranges Mar 2014 #243
"If only capitalism didn't produce capitalists...".... socialist_n_TN Mar 2014 #245
I don't know. Laelth Mar 2014 #256
Have You Not Noticed the Gov't of Australia's Gone Right Wing? tea and oranges Mar 2014 #259
Its not right wing as we know it. Notafraidtoo Mar 2014 #277
As in the economic decision to go full speed ahead tea and oranges Mar 2014 #284
Australian Liberalism? Fairgo Mar 2014 #307
Thanks for the tip. Laelth Mar 2014 #309
So you telling me that the Norther European SOCIAL DEMOCRACIES nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #109
They can call themselves socialist all they want. Laelth Mar 2014 #132
But they ARE social democracies nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #134
Here's what Truman had to say about this distinction. Laelth Mar 2014 #228
Need I remind you that was the height of the COLD WAR nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #230
You are conflating so many terms it is making my head hurt. blackspade Mar 2014 #249
Thank you for this clarification. Laelth Mar 2014 #255
I say yes, Capitalism is a dirty word. blackspade Mar 2014 #261
In fact, I don't disagree with you ... about the word. Laelth Mar 2014 #287
Not criticisizing you, but... OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #133
What we call it in my econ and int'l business courses laundry_queen Mar 2014 #148
I think your definition of socialism might be a LITTLE strict, there... sibelian Mar 2014 #34
I think a lot of people throw around the word "socialism" without knowing what it means. Laelth Mar 2014 #47
... sibelian Mar 2014 #68
You are talking about communism, not socialism. lark Mar 2014 #110
Liberal socialism (like they have in some European countries) is just liberalsim. Laelth Mar 2014 #117
Hi Laelth... ReRe Mar 2014 #150
The right calls everyone to the left of Hitler a socialist. Laelth Mar 2014 #288
The OP is just a Semantical Game LarryNM Mar 2014 #176
In part, yes. Laelth Mar 2014 #222
Is that in the context of ethics or in the context of efficiency? LanternWaste Mar 2014 #120
I admit that I am not terribly interested in efficiency. Laelth Mar 2014 #138
thanks, Laelth cali Mar 2014 #5
Thanks for the kind words, cali. Laelth Mar 2014 #37
Capitalism is an unjust means of dividing resources. That seems pretty "dirty" to me. MNBrewer Mar 2014 #6
This rests on your notions of "just". sibelian Mar 2014 #9
I would agree, and that lack of critical examination has gotten us to this paradise, called MNBrewer Mar 2014 #16
Perhaps capitalism is unjust. Laelth Mar 2014 #54
Capitalism can be two farmers trading an apple and an orange... TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2014 #82
No, that is just trade cprise Mar 2014 #96
Someone needs to go back to school TorchTheWitch Mar 2014 #248
Sharecropping (a concentration of wealth) has been a major feature of capitalism. cprise Mar 2014 #254
I can see why you failed at this in school TorchTheWitch Mar 2014 #272
Exactly... Trade IS capitalism... TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2014 #372
It works well for some. It has never worked well for all. Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #7
Until we have a viable alternative, I see no option but to make the best of it. Laelth Mar 2014 #56
I'm still betting on Socialism. nt Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #61
No, it's a dirty economic system. rug Mar 2014 #8
But what can those of us on the left offer that would be better? Laelth Mar 2014 #153
"the system under which we...have prospered" handmade34 Mar 2014 #194
Its core value of reducing everything, including humans, to a commodity can be explicitly rejected. rug Mar 2014 #218
Nah, we should go with communism LittleBlue Mar 2014 #10
When exploiting the earth and the people to fashion unnecessary comforts to be... NoOneMan Mar 2014 #20
I'll have Green Goddess, please. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #50
See? That's just ignorant as hell. Like it is supposed to be some dogma that everyone can live by. loudsue Mar 2014 #36
Thank you. nt sibelian Mar 2014 #41
I disagree with your basic definition of socialism.... mike_c Mar 2014 #14
Unrestrained capitalism is evil, admittedly. Laelth Mar 2014 #163
worker control of the means of production was the norm before the industrial revolution.... mike_c Mar 2014 #174
+1 Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #234
I have no interest in going back to a medieval economy. Laelth Mar 2014 #289
that's not at all what I said, but you're also demonstrating quite a bit of misunderstanding... mike_c Mar 2014 #351
I have read Dickens. Laelth Mar 2014 #356
+1 n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #374
Good luck wih that. oldhippie Mar 2014 #15
LOL. Thanks. Laelth Mar 2014 #164
Well-regulated capitalism for me, thanks. Scuba Mar 2014 #17
Also known as "cocoon-capitalism" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #86
Thanks for the post, Scuba. Laelth Mar 2014 #347
Your definition of socialism is wrong, too. MNBrewer Mar 2014 #18
I got my definition from Marx and Engles, I think. Laelth Mar 2014 #166
They didn't coin the term at all. nt Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #177
No, they certainlywould didn't coin the term fishwax Mar 2014 #189
SOmething like that, yeah. MNBrewer Mar 2014 #219
"Liberals are capitalists" FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #19
LOL. Admittedly, I have not met every person who self-identifies as a liberal. Laelth Mar 2014 #167
I'm saying that you've chosen to define the word in your own terms FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #168
I was wondering that myself, but I thought maybe I'd just missed the memo. Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2014 #207
Liberalism and socialism are very different things. Laelth Mar 2014 #257
Truman said something bad about socialism so liberals are capitalists? FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #260
Umm ... Laelth Mar 2014 #264
...at least in Truman's view. FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #282
Capitalism relies on consumption. upaloopa Mar 2014 #21
It seems our disagreement, if any, is merely semantic. Laelth Mar 2014 #172
Yes I think we define things differently upaloopa Mar 2014 #181
Truman, of course, argued that Social Security is what PREVENTED socialism. Laelth Mar 2014 #262
Where does social security come in that statement? upaloopa Mar 2014 #283
Hmm ... Laelth Mar 2014 #286
Who is we? Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #23
The "we" in the OP refers to American liberals. Laelth Mar 2014 #175
I don't think you, or any one person, can speak for LWolf Mar 2014 #362
You are quite right, of course. I stand corrected. Laelth Mar 2014 #363
I want a system that benefits the 99%. LWolf Mar 2014 #369
Any economic model that commodifies everything is toxic villager Mar 2014 #28
I don't disagree with you. Laelth Mar 2014 #182
I'm more of a democratic socialist. Though one fellow writer describes it as "Left Libertarian" villager Mar 2014 #186
More to the point, there's more than one kind of capitalism... JHB Mar 2014 #30
CHRIST!!! Look at 1955!!! I had no bloody idea. sibelian Mar 2014 #38
That was only if you made over $1.5 Million per year IN 1955 dollars.... loudsue Mar 2014 #58
Um... sibelian Mar 2014 #72
Actually, that's if you made over $400K in 1955 dollars... JHB Mar 2014 #129
Lots of people have no bloody idea JHB Mar 2014 #170
Very interesting post, JHB. And you can see how they were able to successfully loudsue Mar 2014 #269
If we are to continue to have Capitalism, the Keynesian model is the best. PotatoChip Mar 2014 #89
What are liberal laws? I don't see the word 'regulation' in your post, is that what you mean? Avalux Mar 2014 #31
Excellent question. Thank you. Laelth Mar 2014 #187
Socialism is common ownership of the means of production. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #33
So under your system... MicaelS Mar 2014 #90
What's the problem with that? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #102
The problem is that it is a disincentive to grow the business... MicaelS Mar 2014 #143
Why is that a disincentive? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #146
Yes! Why do we have to keep batting down RW talking points here? Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2014 #179
... handmade34 Mar 2014 #195
That attitude is the problem. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #204
We can't legislate altruism. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #266
The point is that the use of public resources has to go towards benefiting the whole. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #113
You've pointed out a very obvious problem with "capitalism is evil" sibelian Mar 2014 #118
+1. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #310
Property is Theft ~ Pierre-Joseph Proudhon Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #97
+! n/t LarryNM Mar 2014 #169
I like your definition, and I can work with it. Laelth Mar 2014 #290
"There is a difference between "private property" and "personal property". Most important post ^ n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #375
'liberal' is what created the corrupted system we now live with. nt xchrom Mar 2014 #39
Exactly. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #95
Thank You. Like Howard Zinn said, (paraphrasing) Skeeter Barnes Mar 2014 #155
What can I say? I am sorry to hear that you feel that way. Laelth Mar 2014 #191
If only we still lived in a capitalist society. Alas we live in a plutocracy now. Rex Mar 2014 #40
I hear you, but the US is and always has been an oligarchy. Laelth Mar 2014 #193
an oligarchy that meets the needs of all the people." is perhaps the most fanciful statement ever TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #370
Perhaps. Laelth Mar 2014 #373
You think the oligarchs are the office holders? No wonder we have a failure to communicate. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #378
Hmm ... Laelth Mar 2014 #379
Well, if the oligarchs are beyond election then I'm missing the "how" to get benign ones TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #380
Let me see if I can explain. Laelth Mar 2014 #381
That was well written and you know what? I substantially agree with you. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #382
First... that took guts. 1awake Mar 2014 #42
First, let me say "thank you" for the kind words. Laelth Mar 2014 #198
bullshit. Capitalism does not work for the vast majority. bowens43 Mar 2014 #44
It does with proper controls. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #139
Some times I pray that armies of true Progressives would become business owners bluestate10 Mar 2014 #250
Safety nets and labor protections are good for business. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #271
I thought we had pretty much all agreed on a mixed approach by now? ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2014 #48
Not only agreed to it, but implemented it. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #57
Glad you made an OP on this Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #49
Sigh. This thread has been a major drain on my mental reserves. Laelth Mar 2014 #202
Yep! Glad you did too. Maybe I'll read through more later Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #203
So Socialism IS a dirty word?! Oakenshield Mar 2014 #53
Not a dirty word; just a fantasy word... brooklynite Mar 2014 #59
Bullshit. Oakenshield Mar 2014 #63
...and all of those were built within a capitalist system... brooklynite Mar 2014 #93
Brilliant argument. Oakenshield Mar 2014 #108
I don't say that something that hasn't been tried should never be tried... brooklynite Mar 2014 #116
I really had no idea the northern European countries were small settlements nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #121
Capitalism has been outlawed in Scandinavia? brooklynite Mar 2014 #135
Scandinavia *IS* a social democracy nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #137
Social Democracy *IS NOT* SocialISM brooklynite Mar 2014 #144
Well I guess my poli sci instructor who used to be CIA nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #145
I would only be "afraid" if I thought the prospect was real... brooklynite Mar 2014 #156
Go join the real world nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #159
Oh and here from them pesky commies at Foreign Affairs Magazine nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #231
Nor do I. Laelth Mar 2014 #359
So you're afraid. Own up to it and move aside. Oakenshield Mar 2014 #126
That's the problem. They haven't existed at a national level. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #206
It's not a fantasy word, it's a political PHILOSOPHY, not a hard-wired SYSTEM. sibelian Mar 2014 #80
I don't think anyone equates "Public Sector" with "socialism" as an economic structure. brooklynite Mar 2014 #98
With the possible exception of the self identifed SOCIALIST politicians sibelian Mar 2014 #131
What the OP has described IS SOCIAL DEMOCRACY nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #101
I cannot disagree. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #136
Hi Laelth. I like your posts a lot. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #55
You may be interested in the philosophy of Mutualism. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #105
Cool! I'll check into these. It's looking to me as if capitalism can only lead in one direction Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #112
Hello, Sarah. Laelth Mar 2014 #205
I am sorry that your thoughts are profane PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #62
Also, theoretically, capitalism will always result in monopolies in the end laundry_queen Mar 2014 #157
That's quite true of unregulated capitalism. Laelth Mar 2014 #208
I disagree. laundry_queen Mar 2014 #253
Deregulated, unchecked capitalism is the real underlying danger. Initech Mar 2014 #65
Hear, hear! n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #209
Socialism isn't "state ownership of all property." Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #66
Hear! Hear! [n/t] Maedhros Mar 2014 #185
Ethically, I agree with you about the nature of capitalism. Laelth Mar 2014 #215
Distribution of power. Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2014 #67
I can't disagree with that. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #291
Good thread and post. Trashing capitalism is cool, particularly if you don't understand it... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #69
So is trashing socialism nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #122
Yes, the irony of that statement was not lost on me, LOL. laundry_queen Mar 2014 #160
People have no idea nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #162
This message was self-deleted by its author Laelth Mar 2014 #293
This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #295
I misunderstood you. My apologies. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #297
I hope you realize nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #70
Ya beat me to it. n/t malthaussen Mar 2014 #92
Perhaps. But it's not socialism. Laelth Mar 2014 #292
I will be charitable and use the *other term* used by experts nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #301
I will concede that you are the expert on the meaning of words. Laelth Mar 2014 #306
Sorry but that is: DeSwiss Mar 2014 #73
LOL. Extraordinarily creative response. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #294
I agree. In the public debate, we need to talk more about ETHICAL Capitalism, Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #75
Hear, hear! We need to win elections. Laelth Mar 2014 #296
Americans are brought up to put capitalism on a pedestal Maedhros Mar 2014 #76
I hear you on that. Laelth Mar 2014 #298
My suggestion is to transition away from capitalism, rather than accede to it. Maedhros Mar 2014 #308
There's no such thing as pure capitalism or pure socialism kristopher Mar 2014 #77
"to limit the accumulation and concentration of capital," is essential! Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2014 #199
Seen as a spectrum, this makes sense. Laelth Mar 2014 #303
But, when it combines with government to run the country it becomes Fascism. Which is a dirty word. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #78
BINGO! Rex Mar 2014 #83
Yes, that's my understanding of the word fascism, or, "corporatism" as Moussolini called it. Laelth Mar 2014 #304
UNREGULATED capitalism cannot be successful. elleng Mar 2014 #79
Agreed. Unregulated capitalism leads to Mexico and Somalia. Laelth Mar 2014 #361
Ditto, elleng Mar 2014 #368
Not buying that. Rider3 Mar 2014 #88
Good thing I gave it to you for free, then. Laelth Mar 2014 #305
You mean like these Liberals? Zorra Mar 2014 #91
Um ... no. Laelth Mar 2014 #267
I have always liked you Laelth - TBF Mar 2014 #94
Thank you for the kind words. Laelth Mar 2014 #311
It seems the banksters didn't get the message. Cleita Mar 2014 #99
Socialism, or regulation to achieve social goals. riqster Mar 2014 #119
If what you call socialism is what I call liberalism, then I agree. Laelth Mar 2014 #312
Also - TBF Mar 2014 #100
I think history has proven that we CAN regulate capitalism. Laelth Mar 2014 #313
Were they "advances" though? TBF Mar 2014 #324
Indeed. That is the question. Laelth Mar 2014 #328
Yes, that is spot on re purpose of liberalism. TBF Mar 2014 #344
Agree completely with the OP. riqster Mar 2014 #103
Yes, he does, and thanks. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #314
NP riqster Mar 2014 #319
It is to me. johnp3907 Mar 2014 #104
To be honest, it is to most Americans I know. Laelth Mar 2014 #316
I'm a liberal and I say capitalism sucks. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #106
Fine, but it's not terribly useful to make that argument, is it? Laelth Mar 2014 #317
Capitalism is what's wrong with the country. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #346
Agree. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #107
When capital controls government, we call that fascism. Laelth Mar 2014 #318
Problem is, capitalism is based on a fundamental flaw... malthaussen Mar 2014 #111
That is a very serious problem, I agree. Laelth Mar 2014 #320
I have always considered myself a liberal capitalist. closeupready Mar 2014 #115
Same here. Thanks for the response. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #321
There is a couple of decent posts on DU regarding David Simon. fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #123
I'm with you L, I've got no problem with that economic system tech3149 Mar 2014 #124
Agreed. Unrestrained, laissez-faire capitalism bites. Laelth Mar 2014 #329
It's a dirty word when America decides it's policy is to promote it by murder. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #125
I can't argue with that. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #330
True. Unchecked, capitalism leads to a situation ... NancyDL Mar 2014 #127
Hear, hear! Well said. Laelth Mar 2014 #331
Tell that to Exxon Valdez survivors. raven mad Mar 2014 #128
Accidents never happen in non-Capitalist systems? brooklynite Mar 2014 #147
+2000! raven mad Mar 2014 #190
The Exxon Valdez spill was an avoidable accident, neccessary equipment was left Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #315
No, but it is unsustainable. nt redqueen Mar 2014 #140
Hard to say, but we're stuck with it for the moment, I think. Laelth Mar 2014 #332
Unfettered Capitalism is, though. liberalmuse Mar 2014 #141
You can tell that to the children of America that died for a few table scraps. Rex Mar 2014 #142
One of those kids could have been my dad. He went down into the Cleita Mar 2014 #236
If capitalism is so great why does it need to be regulated? fasttense Mar 2014 #149
.... handmade34 Mar 2014 #197
So the system you want needs no regulation? JoePhilly Mar 2014 #216
That's actually why state socialism has yet to succeed. joshcryer Mar 2014 #265
The system I want needs no regulation to prevent the rich from abusing the 99%. fasttense Mar 2014 #279
I think we're much better off today than most Americans during the Gilded Age. Laelth Mar 2014 #341
But capitalism caused the Gilded Age as much as it has caused the current crisis. fasttense Mar 2014 #371
capitalism is dirty, filthy, unfair heaven05 Mar 2014 #151
Laelth, a sane, just, and humane capitalism appears to be out of our reach. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #154
I don't disagree. Laelth Mar 2014 #339
check out Gar Alperovitz's "What then is to be done" about democratic ownership zazen Mar 2014 #158
Thanks for the link. Laelth Mar 2014 #211
But that idealized capitalism is a chimera, it has never existed......... marmar Mar 2014 #161
Because it's a contradiction in terms. nt delrem Mar 2014 #178
No, 'socialism' doesn't mean state ownership of all property. delrem Mar 2014 #165
I am open to discussing your definition of socialism as soon as you produce it. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #224
Do your own work. nt delrem Mar 2014 #226
I'll let Harry S. Truman speak for me on this one. Laelth Mar 2014 #229
yes, I'm sure you feel righteous in your affirmations. delrem Mar 2014 #244
"Liberal" in the USA is not the same as globally. joshcryer Mar 2014 #171
Well,. there is that too nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #183
Capitalism fails without socialist reforms/checks fishwax Mar 2014 #184
Those programs have been called "socialist." Laelth Mar 2014 #227
nah, they were socialist fishwax Mar 2014 #247
Capitalism is based on profiting off of other people frwrfpos Mar 2014 #188
It is sad watching someone get socialism and communism mixed up. Rex Mar 2014 #192
That slur was particularly unkind. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #210
No offense, but it is true. I see that mistake made all the time here in Texas by RWingers. Rex Mar 2014 #212
It's all good. Laelth Mar 2014 #325
I see that now and appreciate the elaboration, which makes (for me) your OP make a lot more sense. Rex Mar 2014 #326
If I were to re-write the OP now, I'd do a much better job. Laelth Mar 2014 #327
Seems like a good time to post this. Didn't see it posted in this thread yet. redqueen Mar 2014 #213
I've given your exact explanation almost to right wingers treestar Mar 2014 #196
I know. Their understanding of political theory is often limited. Laelth Mar 2014 #201
From what I read above, some on the left might lop off your head for daring ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #214
Thanks for the moral support and for the kind words. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #323
As with the judiciary, there are two systems... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #217
Is what we currently have "capitalism"? Faryn Balyncd Mar 2014 #221
Killer-good post. Laelth Mar 2014 #333
Are you familiar with the work of Charles M. Kelly, Laelth? Faryn Balyncd Mar 2014 #348
Actually, no. I was not familiar with his work. Laelth Mar 2014 #358
I mostly agree with you. It the fetishizing of unfettered capitalism that creates economic chaos Bucky Mar 2014 #232
Capitalism may not be a dirty word but I'm not a liberal jimlup Mar 2014 #240
Your understanding of capitalism is flawed blackspade Mar 2014 #246
Agree with you on almost everything. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #258
I was trying to use modern terminology for 'socialism' blackspade Mar 2014 #263
I think you made up those definitions on the fly. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #268
Wrong in what way? blackspade Mar 2014 #270
There's no need for "regulation" in a socialist economy. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #280
You're confusing socialist and state capitalist. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #281
I don't like your definitions, for reasons expressed above, but yes. Laelth Mar 2014 #334
This has been a very stimulating conversation actually. blackspade Mar 2014 #349
Capitalism is a practice, not a belief system. Deep13 Mar 2014 #251
I hear you, and I am aware of Marx's use of the word. Laelth Mar 2014 #335
ownership means control and dominion. Deep13 Mar 2014 #355
Sheesh MFrohike Mar 2014 #273
Perhaps, but context is relevant here. Laelth Mar 2014 #338
Oh, I got the context MFrohike Mar 2014 #340
Feel free to hide the thread if you don't like it. Laelth Mar 2014 #342
Sigh MFrohike Mar 2014 #354
The problem is that any criticism of capitalism is considered communistic by people who love liberal_at_heart Mar 2014 #274
All talk about the success of capitalism is based on a small exceptional period TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #275
That's like saying slavery is not the problem, it just needs better regulation. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #285
Most people don't even know the meaning RobertEarl Mar 2014 #299
It's often forgotten that Liberalism is a capitalist ideology. WatermelonRat Mar 2014 #300
Quite. Laelth Mar 2014 #343
No, it's a clean word for a dirty system. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #302
It promotes a zero sum mentality that is detrimental to human developement. idendoit Mar 2014 #336
Social democracy like they have in Western Europe is basically the best thing that's been tested... Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #337
Speak for yourself! In my world, capitalism *IS* a dirty word. Raksha Mar 2014 #350
In my book, Sweden is not a socialist country. Laelth Mar 2014 #360
Sweden uses a capitalist economic model soflo80 Mar 2014 #364
Sadly, we do not have a well-regulated, fair free market economy arcane1 Mar 2014 #365
+1 to soflo80. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #367
It's "The 'C' Word" AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #366
When our "capitalists" lose money, our government runs in to bail them out. That's not "capitalism" Romulox Mar 2014 #376
You'll get no argument from me on that. Laelth Mar 2014 #377
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