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47. If misrepresenting one's training isn't lying

Sun Mar 9, 2014, 03:40 PM

Mar 2014

to you, then we have different standards of honesty. And he is wrong, often. Wrong about how real reactors behave, wrong about how radionuclides behave, and wrong about the risks he overblows. But I can't link to any of that, because according to you any engineer or scientist who ever worked on anything nuclear is just a shill.

It's impossible to counter that kind of insulated defense mechanism.

It's the sort of thing that allows conspiracy and junk science to reign because anyone who knows enough to dispute it must be "on the payroll" of the bad guys.

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Scientists: Test West Coast for Fukushima radiation [View all] pintobean Mar 2014 OP

I live on the Oregon coast Faux pas Mar 2014 #1

I'll assume you haven't contracted goiter Brother Buzz Mar 2014 #4

Potassium iodide is only for a worst case scenario for airborne iodine-133 flamingdem Mar 2014 #8

Drink miso soup, too. CrispyQ Mar 2014 #9

I didn't click on your links but... PearliePoo2 Mar 2014 #17

Like soup helps cure radiation sickness? longship Mar 2014 #37

There is no immediate danger RobertEarl Mar 2014 #75

When the source is radioactive iodine it does whopis01 Mar 2014 #77

The half life of iodine 131 is very short. longship Mar 2014 #11

You don't need to take potassium iodide, and you may make yourself sick doing it Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #16

Read all the posts replying to your intake of iodine. PearliePoo2 Mar 2014 #18

"been taking iodine since Fukushima". Why?...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #62

That's not very wise, as many have told you already. The State of Oregon regularly Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #92

so many opportunities for normal accidents/disasters reddread Mar 2014 #2

Arnie Gundersen is the best on this issue flamingdem Mar 2014 #10

I don't think he's very credible. longship Mar 2014 #13

What has he made up? Octafish Mar 2014 #21

He has made up lots of things zappaman Mar 2014 #29

Did you mix up your login? From your, uh, source... Octafish Mar 2014 #31

So you dismiss the guy with actual credentials Union Scribe Mar 2014 #35

I'd rather listen to somebody who doesn't have a stake in the game. Octafish Mar 2014 #38

Then stop listening to Arnie Union Scribe Mar 2014 #40

$300 an hour? Octafish Mar 2014 #43

What does that matter? He's got "skin in the game" Union Scribe Mar 2014 #44

Gunderson's not on TEPCO's payroll. Octafish Mar 2014 #46

+1 ! flamingdem Mar 2014 #52

rationalwiki! Rex Mar 2014 #58

Wow, quite the hit piece. eggplant Mar 2014 #41

rationalwiki is dead give away questionseverything Mar 2014 #53

His qualifications, for one thing. Union Scribe Mar 2014 #34

That must be why he gets called on as an expert witness. Octafish Mar 2014 #36

So, no actual rebuttal. Union Scribe Mar 2014 #39

What rebuttal? Octafish Mar 2014 #42

If misrepresenting one's training isn't lying Union Scribe Mar 2014 #47

So where does he misrepresent himself? Octafish Mar 2014 #48

Guess you missed it zappaman Mar 2014 #56

He's basically just being alarmist Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #67

Good post, but I have to address this: NuclearDem Mar 2014 #71

Now that is embarrassing. You are on a roll!! RobertEarl Mar 2014 #73

And that, ladies and gentlemen, NuclearDem Mar 2014 #76

...again CreekDog Mar 2014 #97

You're talking to a profession founded on a Big Lie... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #83

I really hope you have some proof of me having ties to the industry NuclearDem Mar 2014 #84

you <> "a profession" Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #85

So, you'd rather trust RE's "pronouncements on science" NuclearDem Mar 2014 #86

I've been involved PERSONALLY in the issue since 1974.... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #87

This bs part, makes your whole post stink, Yo RobertEarl Mar 2014 #74

Holy crap Batman! greiner3 Mar 2014 #25

A degree in physics. longship Mar 2014 #26

Just so we can compare expertiese... zeemike Mar 2014 #51

He has only operated a 100 watt research reactor. longship Mar 2014 #54

Some people just hate whistle blowers. zeemike Mar 2014 #59

The issue is where the science stands, not any one person. longship Mar 2014 #61

Well science knows that all radiation is harmful to living cells zeemike Mar 2014 #65

Science also knows about dose/response. longship Mar 2014 #66

And not all radiation is the same. zeemike Mar 2014 #68

No, but a west coast salmon would be tasty. longship Mar 2014 #69

Make sure it is not a Sockeye salmon. zeemike Mar 2014 #72

"Range" is where they are found, not that they all migrate that far. uppityperson Mar 2014 #82

Monopoly on Science (tm) Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #80

And the shill gambit. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #49

Like anyone would sign THOSE timecards... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #81

Agree with you. LeftOfWest Mar 2014 #30

He is attacked here, and many other places... longship Mar 2014 #50

40 yrs. experience knocked down by vague insults... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #79

Dude, who is your source? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #88

If Gunderson ever, by chance, came here unannounced and held a Q&A... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #89

I can picture the scattering RobertEarl Mar 2014 #90

If only Tepco listened to him and, while they could, rerouted the mountain spring water.... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #91

Y'know, when you think about it.... RobertEarl Mar 2014 #93

And counterproductive. That reroute would have been a hell of a lot cheaper... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #94

Yep. Arnie is the Real Deal... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #78

Think of all the radiation in the atmosphere cilla4progress Mar 2014 #3

another big win for Fresno reddread Mar 2014 #5

The Fresno Raisin Council should exploit this Brother Buzz Mar 2014 #7

Is that airborne? That isn't the concern now - it's precipitation flamingdem Mar 2014 #12

that is simply one of the highest, possibly the highest result from all monitors reddread Mar 2014 #14

Wha---THEY HAVEN"T DONE THAT YET???!!! librechik Mar 2014 #6

There hasn't been any to test yet. C_eh_N_eh_D_eh Mar 2014 #15

Actually, they have Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #19

thx, hard to believe nobody took the time... librechik Mar 2014 #20

It's already being done n2doc Mar 2014 #22

park ranger told me year ago kelp medeak Mar 2014 #28

Yup! A park ranger with a PhD in physics, no doubt. longship Mar 2014 #45

REMEMBER! It's not like the source and spigot has been shut off. PearliePoo2 Mar 2014 #23

Yes, that's why this scientist can't be sure we're "safe" flamingdem Mar 2014 #55

Any word on Alaskan sea food testing? ffr Mar 2014 #24

tons of pieces of bamboo on beach after big storm two days ago medeak Mar 2014 #27

Aren't they a little late to the party? Cleita Mar 2014 #32

How will you know it's safe? sulphurdunn Mar 2014 #33

Or you can pay attention to the science. longship Mar 2014 #57

I didn't get the impression sulphurdunn Mar 2014 #63

That's likely true. longship Mar 2014 #64

I agree of course. sulphurdunn Mar 2014 #96

There's no need to test. I read that right here on DU. No mention of any downside to testing. Scuba Mar 2014 #60

DU rec frwrfpos Mar 2014 #70

Woods Holes Crowdsourced ourradioactiveocean One_Life_To_Give Mar 2014 #95