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ProgressiveProfessor

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49. Assertion without reference...

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 11:56 PM

Mar 2012

Per the police report:
- The gun was taken into evidence. That is not the same as having secured while he was in the station.
- He was detained at gunpoint and later taken to the police station for questioning. Under the law that is the equivalent of being arrested. He may have been placed under arrest at one point.
- Since he is not charged, there is no mechanism to pull his CCW.
- I have found no substantive source that states his gun was returned to him.
- The nature of police investigation is unknown. Lots of noise about it from many sides. I too suspect it was weak. However, until more comes out, that is hard to really know.

You are making statements based on outrage without facts. Its a natural thing to do. However, rational heads need to prevail. Zimmerman will be going to jail, though later than some of us would like.

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Stand Your Ground laws have Nothing to do with 2nd Amendment rights. [View all] Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 OP

You mean there's something we can agree on? lunatica Mar 2012 #1

Again, SYG is not a gun right's issue at all. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #2

Thanks lunatica Mar 2012 #5

About half the states do not have a duty to retreat requirement ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #6

ALEC and the NRA are hard at work on those states. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #12

I think you have your polarity reversed ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #21

Exactly smaug Mar 2012 #9

Actually there are already firearms enhancement penalties in many jurisdictions ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #22

Except Loughner was not a failure of the gun sales process ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #25

A fatal failure which needs to be fixed for future gun sales, not lunatica Mar 2012 #28

System is no better than the data it has... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #29

So you think it can't be fixed? lunatica Mar 2012 #30

If you were a danger to yourself and others, and nobody ever went before a judge.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #31

There needs to be clear and universal reporting standards ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #32

K&R X 1000. The most intelligent posting yet on SYG. nt COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #3

Watch and see how these SYG laws become very unpopular. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2012 #4

Maybe for half the country - there's alot of people cheering on George Zimmerman LynneSin Mar 2012 #11

"Hope he can get away with" it? gratuitous Mar 2012 #15

Zimmerman has not walked...and I serious doubt he will. ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #24

I'll reserve judgment gratuitous Mar 2012 #26

Have you read the excerpted police reports on the city website? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #27

So you support duty to retreat in all cases? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #7

No I was fine with castle defense. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #14

No one has been enabled...Zimmerman has not walked ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #23

what do you think all the outrage is about? He walked, he was not arrested. got root Mar 2012 #33

Its going to a Grand Jury, its no where near over. ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #35

the point, professor, is that he walked away from a murder scene due to a fucked up law got root Mar 2012 #36

Not sure you have a prima facie case for that conclusion ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #37

are you kidding? he was NOT arrested. nor was the murder weapon, nor scene secured for investigation got root Mar 2012 #41

Published police reports disagree with some of what you stated ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #42

he was NOT arrested, nor was his gun taken as evidence, nor a crime scene established got root Mar 2012 #43

Umm, you can see the crime scene tape in the Orlando news footage. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #45

Police report disagrees with you ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #46

he was not arrested, nor was his gun or permit taken away, nor was there a homicide investigation got root Mar 2012 #48

Assertion without reference... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #49

Fortunately, our Governor in Minnesota MineralMan Mar 2012 #8

Personally the SYG laws violate the 14th Amendment LynneSin Mar 2012 #10

Your argument is legally specious... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #19

I think the SYG laws needed to be better defined and the ambiguity removed from them. hack89 Mar 2012 #13

No there is no clear need. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #16

Duty to retreat is not always a good thing... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #20

I seriously doubt Zimmerman and others would read the fine print TheCowsCameHome Mar 2012 #17

There have to be laws defining self defense. hack89 Mar 2012 #18

In that case would any law have stopped him? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #38

everyone already had a right to self-defense, the SYG laws are the product of the gun lobby got root Mar 2012 #34

Do you include Castle Doctrine, which has SYG aspects to it as well... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #39

exactly, they already have laws on the books for defending yourself, especially on your own property got root Mar 2012 #40

You do realize that about half the states have some form of no duty to retreat? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #44

the new laws introduced by the gun lobby in the past decade need to go. got root Mar 2012 #47

I'll take that as "I want to rant and can't be bothered with facts, details, or specifics" ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #50