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ProgressiveProfessor

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50. I'll take that as "I want to rant and can't be bothered with facts, details, or specifics"

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 11:58 PM

Mar 2012

Details are really important in this kind of thing. If you are unwilling or unable to deal with them, you are not part of the solution, no matter how passionate you feel about the matter.

Some of us don't believe that the Florida SYG is going to protect Zimmerman. However, that is for the courts to determine. If it does, its a travesty and needs to be changed. I expect there will be changes even if he is convicted, to make sure no similar idiot can try to claim coverage again. However, I do not expect "no duty to retreat" to go away in Florida or anywhere else.

It is also clear that Zimmerman's actions fail the standard set for defensive use of deadly force. He is going to jail, just not as fast as everyone I know wants.

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Stand Your Ground laws have Nothing to do with 2nd Amendment rights. [View all] Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 OP

You mean there's something we can agree on? lunatica Mar 2012 #1

Again, SYG is not a gun right's issue at all. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #2

Thanks lunatica Mar 2012 #5

About half the states do not have a duty to retreat requirement ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #6

ALEC and the NRA are hard at work on those states. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #12

I think you have your polarity reversed ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #21

Exactly smaug Mar 2012 #9

Actually there are already firearms enhancement penalties in many jurisdictions ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #22

Except Loughner was not a failure of the gun sales process ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #25

A fatal failure which needs to be fixed for future gun sales, not lunatica Mar 2012 #28

System is no better than the data it has... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #29

So you think it can't be fixed? lunatica Mar 2012 #30

If you were a danger to yourself and others, and nobody ever went before a judge.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #31

There needs to be clear and universal reporting standards ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #32

K&R X 1000. The most intelligent posting yet on SYG. nt COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #3

Watch and see how these SYG laws become very unpopular. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2012 #4

Maybe for half the country - there's alot of people cheering on George Zimmerman LynneSin Mar 2012 #11

"Hope he can get away with" it? gratuitous Mar 2012 #15

Zimmerman has not walked...and I serious doubt he will. ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #24

I'll reserve judgment gratuitous Mar 2012 #26

Have you read the excerpted police reports on the city website? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #27

So you support duty to retreat in all cases? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #7

No I was fine with castle defense. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #14

No one has been enabled...Zimmerman has not walked ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #23

what do you think all the outrage is about? He walked, he was not arrested. got root Mar 2012 #33

Its going to a Grand Jury, its no where near over. ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #35

the point, professor, is that he walked away from a murder scene due to a fucked up law got root Mar 2012 #36

Not sure you have a prima facie case for that conclusion ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #37

are you kidding? he was NOT arrested. nor was the murder weapon, nor scene secured for investigation got root Mar 2012 #41

Published police reports disagree with some of what you stated ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #42

he was NOT arrested, nor was his gun taken as evidence, nor a crime scene established got root Mar 2012 #43

Umm, you can see the crime scene tape in the Orlando news footage. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #45

Police report disagrees with you ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #46

he was not arrested, nor was his gun or permit taken away, nor was there a homicide investigation got root Mar 2012 #48

Assertion without reference... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #49

Fortunately, our Governor in Minnesota MineralMan Mar 2012 #8

Personally the SYG laws violate the 14th Amendment LynneSin Mar 2012 #10

Your argument is legally specious... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #19

I think the SYG laws needed to be better defined and the ambiguity removed from them. hack89 Mar 2012 #13

No there is no clear need. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #16

Duty to retreat is not always a good thing... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #20

I seriously doubt Zimmerman and others would read the fine print TheCowsCameHome Mar 2012 #17

There have to be laws defining self defense. hack89 Mar 2012 #18

In that case would any law have stopped him? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #38

everyone already had a right to self-defense, the SYG laws are the product of the gun lobby got root Mar 2012 #34

Do you include Castle Doctrine, which has SYG aspects to it as well... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #39

exactly, they already have laws on the books for defending yourself, especially on your own property got root Mar 2012 #40

You do realize that about half the states have some form of no duty to retreat? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #44

the new laws introduced by the gun lobby in the past decade need to go. got root Mar 2012 #47

I'll take that as "I want to rant and can't be bothered with facts, details, or specifics" ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #50