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75. What do you think about the main issue underlying all the obvious issues, Torture, the CIA torturing

Thu Mar 13, 2014, 02:34 AM

Mar 2014

people. What should happen, what will happen? Nothing happened the last time torture was revealed, Manning, remember, well nothing happened to the torturers or those who approved it, Chelsea Manning was tortured herself and then jailed for 35 years.

So what can we expect to happen to the torturers this time?

I want to see war criminals in jail. Always have.

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Have *you* actually read Sen. Feinstein's complaint? [View all] MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 OP

Yes, and ProSense Mar 2014 #1

... sheshe2 Mar 2014 #2

wow, you love prosense post? Shocking! nt Logical Mar 2014 #42

I know, it is shocking indeed. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #50

Well, at least you kick her stuff and save her the trouble! nt Logical Mar 2014 #51

Oh my! sheshe2 Mar 2014 #53

LOL, twice vs. 1000s.....nice try! The trouble with the hair on fire.... Logical Mar 2014 #55

You do it, you can't condemn it. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #58

I kind of agree with you on not having the moral authority to lecture others when you do it yourself sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #74

You're dealing with religious zealots mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #60

Snort~ sheshe2 Mar 2014 #61

LOL, great point! Good description also! nt Logical Mar 2014 #65

Facts? lark Mar 2014 #133

Their purpose is not to convince anyone of anything. bvar22 Mar 2014 #131

Authoritarians will ALWAYS be the enemy of liberals. Rex Mar 2014 #152

The sad part is that they don't realize that I (we) ARE Obama supporters, bvar22 Mar 2014 #161

I remember that quote from TR. Used it for Wing Nuts back in the Bush days. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #191

Can you be specific as to the "spin" that's mischaracterizing the situation? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #5

Cute ProSense Mar 2014 #7

You're either intoxicated, or trying to divert people on purpose. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #8

LOL! ProSense Mar 2014 #9

Not one bit funny, 840high Mar 2014 #30

LOL this as well: DeSwiss Mar 2014 #104

"The White House has indicated publicly and to me personally that it supports declassification msanthrope Mar 2014 #35

That's totally the main point of this. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #37

You seem upset that DiFi and the President are in accord. Why? nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #39

We seem to be living on alternate universes, you and I MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #43

I thought you were alerting on yourself? What happened? nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #44

Yow! MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #46

OMG that exchange was fucking funny! lonestarnot Mar 2014 #49

I agree glinda Mar 2014 #63

Lol, excellent way to describe it. n/t sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #76

If you really believe they're in accord, and if your billing rate is more than $7.00 per hour... DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #159

:) I find myself thinking similar often. Thanks for saying it. Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #172

Anybody can claim to be anything on the Internet. bvar22 Mar 2014 #193

I distinctly recall that Costanza is a marine biologist. :) DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #194

Diversion and obfuscation. progressoid Mar 2014 #67

I will need to replace my scroll mouse soon from zipping over those posts so often, for GoneFishin Mar 2014 #176

What do you think about the main issue underlying all the obvious issues, Torture, the CIA torturing sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #75

If Obama supports declassification and release of the committee report, JDPriestly Mar 2014 #127

Excellent. Thank you. n/t cui bono Mar 2014 #130

Ding ding. Intelligence agencies aspire to be the 4th branch of government. DirkGently Mar 2014 #135

Yes. Precisely. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #141

It also comes down to Aerows Mar 2014 #142

I think she is telling the truth although I do not like her much. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #143

I can't see how she wouldn't be Aerows Mar 2014 #145

Well said and well framed. zeemike Mar 2014 #147

Excellent post, thank you! The only way to stop all of this is for the American people to know what sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #175

I'm glad they're not going to stop, but then what? Voice for Peace Mar 2014 #123

Absolutely unbelievable lark Mar 2014 #132

And in effect Aerows Mar 2014 #144

The answer is no LondonReign2 Mar 2014 #146

OMG, you are defending torture now??? Really, you think it's OK to torture people? Really??? grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #149

Are your comprehensions skills that bad? Seriously? ProSense Mar 2014 #156

Do you think it is wrong to torture people? If someone has tortured an individual, should they be grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #160

So you are calling 8 Democratic Senators liars? Aerows Mar 2014 #151

Please, point to where your comment has anything remotely to do with what I posted. ProSense Mar 2014 #157

So you are Aerows Mar 2014 #158

It took me longer than 10 minutes to read, and as a citizen, I will read it again. enough Mar 2014 #3

I agree. History is being made, right now. grasswire Mar 2014 #4

Thank You For That !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #6

Can't I just wait for the cartoon synopsis? They seem to be more accurate. nt adirondacker Mar 2014 #10

I read it last night and highlighted the important parts Catherina Mar 2014 #11

so good to have you back here, Catherina. nt grasswire Mar 2014 #12

Thanks Grasswire Catherina Mar 2014 #26

I do hope you pop in more often. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #112

Thanks! I'll definitely try to Catherina Mar 2014 #138

Very interesting. Autumn Mar 2014 #13

This is unbelievable stuff MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #14

Imagine the very worst, Manny. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #96

Imagining the very worst is why Manny exists on DU. tridim Mar 2014 #99

I feel the exact opposite. Manny brings the insight! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #100

"unbelievable" NO ...it's totally believable! L0oniX Mar 2014 #114

She says 3rd possibility of a Whistle Blower....That's something new to think about... KoKo Mar 2014 #134

That jumped out at me. Autumn Mar 2014 #136

That's rather breathtaking. n/t myrna minx Mar 2014 #155

wow...incredible steve2470 Mar 2014 #15

shit hitting fan glinda Mar 2014 #64

Those of us who have stated again and again that NSA spying on Americans is truedelphi Mar 2014 #167

I find this one tidbit compelling grasswire Mar 2014 #16

That made me do a spit take MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #17

yeah, it's insane grasswire Mar 2014 #20

We know there are many contractors who work for the BFEE Oilwellian Mar 2014 #27

The reason is: contractors can be used to obscure responsibility and diffuse blame struggle4progress Mar 2014 #85

that's a likely reason.. it's still stunning. 2banon Mar 2014 #86

I don't find it "stunning" at all: it's been going on for years, and IMO it's been a big part struggle4progress Mar 2014 #87

I understand and know that.. but this is entirely different level. n/t 2banon Mar 2014 #89

Crime is always stunning, no matter how much we 'knew' about it or for how long. It's even more sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #129

I find this compelling ProSense Mar 2014 #22

I glossed over that part steve2470 Mar 2014 #23

Never missing an opportunity to fund the Private Security Corporations. I wonder how much THAT cost sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #79

"cost" ...hmmm isn't that a secret too? L0oniX Mar 2014 #116

Yes, all we know is that billions of tax dollars have been along to Private Security sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #126

Maybe they pay people to read the bills for them? L0oniX Mar 2014 #128

I had a mind to call her office and get that $ amt for the record 2banon Mar 2014 #153

42 million i think questionseverything Mar 2014 #162

Thanks again! 2banon Mar 2014 #168

Yes, this is very out of character for her. Whatever is motivating her, I would be surprised if she sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #164

Yes grasswire, that caught my attention too, scraped jaw from floor.. yeah private contractors 2banon Mar 2014 #83

+1000000 woo me with science Mar 2014 #84

Seriously, that caught me attention in a big way also. It made me want to finish the whole thing, uppityperson Mar 2014 #91

It is worth reading. jsr Mar 2014 #18

"I view the acting general counsel�s referral as a potential effort to intimidate this staff" woo me with science Mar 2014 #19

Rogue. nt grasswire Mar 2014 #21

Are the Panetta Review doc what has the CIA in a snit and trying to get the DOJ Autumn Mar 2014 #24

Yes, the Panetta Internal Review. And I'll take C for $500 Alex, "intentionally by a whistle-blower" Catherina Mar 2014 #29

Yes, it seems it was never meant to be seen. woo me with science Mar 2014 #73

you got it right..woo, it's an amazing Difi went public with this full on. . 2banon Mar 2014 #93

Did she put this on record because they are threatened? My impression.... glinda Mar 2014 #66

Getting perceived threats on record would certainly seem important. woo me with science Mar 2014 #78

Wow. Marr Mar 2014 #70

The OP is right. woo me with science Mar 2014 #82

...something about that octapus logo? L0oniX Mar 2014 #113

I missed the mention of the actual name of that unit chiefs lawyer, do you know what it is? 2banon Mar 2014 #88

One layer of indirection solves almost any problem! this had three bobduca Mar 2014 #25

And you are discussing simply the physical reality of what happened in this instance and when. truedelphi Mar 2014 #166

I appreciate your skepticism bobduca Mar 2014 #171

There you go again ... Newsjock Mar 2014 #28

Thanks Manny pscot Mar 2014 #31

Mr. Goldstein, I have a few questions ... Scuba Mar 2014 #32

You're a sick, twisted individual. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #45

"serious action to right the thing" ...the stuff dreams are made of? L0oniX Mar 2014 #107

^^^^^^^^^^^Excellent, excellent post.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ woo me with science Mar 2014 #80

outstanding, Scuba grasswire Mar 2014 #90

Seconding the request to post as an OP. woo me with science Mar 2014 #92

Done ... Scuba Mar 2014 #120

Done. Feel free to send to Wyden, although he doesn't appear to need much help. Scuba Mar 2014 #121

Scuba, THIS needs to be it's own thread! 2banon Mar 2014 #94

Done ... Scuba Mar 2014 #119

Third request for this as an OP. sibelian Mar 2014 #97

4th L0oniX Mar 2014 #108

Done ... Scuba Mar 2014 #117

Done ... Scuba Mar 2014 #118

Smoke from the dark shadow US government... L0oniX Mar 2014 #106

The CIA's (unnamed) acting general counsel is the one to watch. pacalo Mar 2014 #33

Robert Eatinger bobduca Mar 2014 #38

Feinstein's senate floor speech backfired beautifully. pacalo Mar 2014 #48

deminks posted it early this AM but it sank ... bobduca Mar 2014 #59

I just gave it a K&R. pacalo Mar 2014 #62

Is it possible that copies of the photos were in the report Feinstein saw? KoKo Mar 2014 #140

Doesn't Seymour Hersch have copies? Or his source? 2banon Mar 2014 #154

Hey...that's interesting! KoKo Mar 2014 #163

I remember waiting for that shoe to drop 2banon Mar 2014 #169

unnamed in the report BUT mentioned on PBS News Hour tonight 2banon Mar 2014 #95

Robert Eatinger bobduca Mar 2014 #110

That's it.. mentioned 1,600 times in the torture papers 2banon Mar 2014 #124

Let's clarify a couple of things jazzimov Mar 2014 #34

Don't bring facts into perfectly good outrage. nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #36

Well, there is this... Oilwellian Mar 2014 #40

"I prefer not to point fingers, unless it's towards the future." pacalo Mar 2014 #41

I should blame Bush for Obama's CIA #%^*ing with the Senate Oversight Commitee MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #47

Do you blame Bush for torture? ProSense Mar 2014 #54

Remember the Outrageous! Outrageous! IRS scandal? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #56

So ProSense Mar 2014 #57

two sentients to the shadow government perhaps glinda Mar 2014 #69

Apparently the CIA still works for Bush / Cheney. Scuba Mar 2014 #98

God, that's gross. Marr Mar 2014 #72

What came of blaming Bush, which we certainly did? Any investigations, anyone even lose sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #81

No, that's only part of What Progressive Stands for fascisthunter Mar 2014 #148

no cigar questionseverything Mar 2014 #165

Dear MannyGoldstein. Doncha think lonestarnot Mar 2014 #52

the video of her Senate speech is here steve2470 Mar 2014 #68

Once again: The only solution is world revolution. Zorra Mar 2014 #71

Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing. bobduca Mar 2014 #174

Brennan Calls CIA Hacking Charges �Beyond The Scope of Reason� steve2470 Mar 2014 #77

LOL ...and spying is ok as long as it isn't done to those that ok'd the spying. L0oniX Mar 2014 #109

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #101

"If the Senate can declassify this report, we will be able to ensure that an un-American, G_j Mar 2014 #102

Not holding my breath on that one.. 2banon Mar 2014 #183

Let them eat metadata Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #103

So the CIA hired outside contractors huh ...and assholes hate Snowden? L0oniX Mar 2014 #105

Well I have now. MuseRider Mar 2014 #111

Serious implications here Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #115

Wow! Push Meet Shove! tea and oranges Mar 2014 #122

K&R! Phlem Mar 2014 #125

Is this what the NSA's bowels are in an uproar about re: Edward Snowden? Hestia Mar 2014 #137

Senator Feinstein is on the phone with Japanese ministers right now - truedelphi Mar 2014 #139

"CIA detention sites were far different and far more harsh than the way the CIA had described them" grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #150

Remember when Seymour Hersch reported that back 10 years ago? 2banon Mar 2014 #170

Yes. He told the story of a 14yo boy screaming as he was raped! grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #179

Yes, and more evil, sadistic monstrous behavior 2banon Mar 2014 #182

Found this: grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #187

The Pentagon took possession of these videos 2banon Mar 2014 #189

Hersh said they would come out.... eventually. I don't know. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #190

Yes, and thank you by the way for the reminder and the links. 2banon Mar 2014 #192

what is even more unbelievable... pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #173

I share your outrage, to the depths of my soul. 2banon Mar 2014 #180

thanks, it is completely sureal, even Orwell would be stunned at the duplicity. nt pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #181

+10000 n/t 2banon Mar 2014 #184

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