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Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts) Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:01 PM Mar 2012

"Witness who saw it all" claims Zimmerman yelled "HELP, HELP" as Trayvon "attacked" him [View all]

Yep...Zimmerman weighs 100 pounds more than Trayvon, but Trayvon "got on top of him" and "attacked him."

Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

Updated: Friday, 23 Mar 2012, 6:19 PM EDT
Published : Friday, 23 Mar 2012, 5:47 PM EDT

ORLANDO - A witness we haven't heard from before paints a much different picture than we've seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.

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"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said. Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red. The witness only wanted to be identified as "John," and didn't not want to be shown on camera.

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"When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.

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Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting.

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"Witness who saw it all" claims Zimmerman yelled "HELP, HELP" as Trayvon "attacked" him [View all] Amerigo Vespucci Mar 2012 OP

Is he saying that someone stalked with a gun fought back? aquart Mar 2012 #1

These kids watch shows like Criminal Minds...for all this young man knew... Tikki Mar 2012 #8

Trayvon may have been unaware of the gun until it was too late slackmaster Mar 2012 #31

Ah, that must have been it! The devil's seed his is, that one... CTyankee Mar 2012 #82

Your reply doesn't follow logically from mine slackmaster Mar 2012 #86

then I guess I don't understand "until it was too late." CTyankee Mar 2012 #87

Too late to do whatever was necessary to avoid getting shot slackmaster Mar 2012 #90

So why on earth would Trayvon NEED to know that Zimmerman was armed? CTyankee Mar 2012 #100

Calm down for a moment and imagine two hypothetical scenarios. In one, a crazy guy approaches you. slackmaster Mar 2012 #101

But what you are saying is that Trayvon didn't KNOW Zimmerman was armed initially, so how could CTyankee Mar 2012 #102

That's right. If Trayvon didn't know that Zimmerman was armed, he might not have felt a need... slackmaster Mar 2012 #104

thanks for the clarification! CTyankee Mar 2012 #126

I don't believe it and frankly, I expected this based on the frenzy Ecumenist Mar 2012 #2

"A witness we haven't heard from before..." Amerigo Vespucci Mar 2012 #3

Yep Everyone else saw this man attack that boy and either were on 911 Ecumenist Mar 2012 #11

We heard from him way back on Feb. 27 RZM Mar 2012 #15

At least they left out the identification of Tracy Martin as Trayvon's 'mother' with the new story csziggy Mar 2012 #23

Nice catch. Hadn't noticed that RZM Mar 2012 #36

Typical creack Faux Noise reporting! csziggy Mar 2012 #50

It is the local affiliate though RZM Mar 2012 #58

True, but damn if the comment section doesn't remind me of the Faux News comment section lol Lilyeye Mar 2012 #76

Just a bit, yeah. krispos42 Mar 2012 #72

....who doesn't want to give his name. yardwork Mar 2012 #77

perjury is a felony Incitatus Mar 2012 #78

Perjury is lying under oath, in court or in a sworn deposition slackmaster Mar 2012 #96

I know and I expect this witness will appear at trial. nt Incitatus Mar 2012 #98

I'm sure he will, if there is a trial slackmaster Mar 2012 #109

All of this is irrelevant. Lint Head Mar 2012 #4

Remember this cartoon ? orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #16

That is a classic nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #18

Yeah, kinda stupid since.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #20

Funny in the age of information ," Union Officers " orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #22

Got tired of waiting for Facts orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #25

So do you deny that MM fucked up big time? n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #46

Sure MM fucked up .Big time ? orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #48

Trying to tar an organization started by ex-union soldiers.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #51

Bullshit!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #69

What in my post makes you think I don't agree with that?!? X_Digger Mar 2012 #71

Didn't do MM any favors for lying. Rex Mar 2012 #26

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #92

*gasp* whatever shall I do?!? n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #93

Zimmerman says he was walking to his truck. Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #37

This witness spoke to the Orlando media back in February RZM Mar 2012 #5

Trayvon and his girlfriend's cell phone conversation has not been played yet rustydog Mar 2012 #6

She recorded the call? Broderick Mar 2012 #35

No, she didn't record the call. LisaL Mar 2012 #38

Everything can be retrieved underpants Mar 2012 #39

You can not retreive a phone call that was not recorded to begin with. LisaL Mar 2012 #43

No, we won't. Incitatus Mar 2012 #80

The police didn't even talk to his girlfriend. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #83

that's actually not true. barbtries Mar 2012 #99

No, actually what you just said is not true. His dad said he called the police department the Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #103

yes, actually what i said is true barbtries Mar 2012 #111

Don't bother me with facts, son, I'm on a roll here! X_Digger Mar 2012 #119

lol barbtries Mar 2012 #121

No, it was not --- the police never interviewed Trayvon's girl friend. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #122

the link i gave you barbtries Mar 2012 #123

Trayvon was 17 years old when he was murdered last month. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #124

i'm aware that it's a serious issue. barbtries Mar 2012 #125

i doubt if there is a recording. barbtries Mar 2012 #97

Why is this coming out only now? Was the guy outside or is his house immediately snagglepuss Mar 2012 #7

He said this back in Feb. emilyg Mar 2012 #19

I wonder if Trayvon hit him in the face with the can of tea? Frustratedlady Mar 2012 #9

I sure pray that the Federal Investigation Team will be vigilant. FarPoint Mar 2012 #10

*** 911 Calls (Background Screams) Are Absolutely Trayvon Martin, His Mother Says *** pinboy3niner Mar 2012 #12

She's not a witness. Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #40

I think a mother would KNOW her own son's screams. Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #45

She can identify the voice treestar Mar 2012 #63

Sounds like a KKK style easily refuted lie.... hayrow1 Mar 2012 #13

Is this a member of the sheriffs family ? orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #14

"the witness only wanted to be identified as John" Enrique Mar 2012 #17

I'm sorry, but until the FBI does a complete investigation Rex Mar 2012 #21

Yeah. Right. Show of hands, children... malthaussen Mar 2012 #24

Who said he pointed a gun? randome Mar 2012 #28

So even if true does this mean that a stalker is not a threat and a child cannot defend himself from jwirr Mar 2012 #27

That would be a poor argument to use at a trial. randome Mar 2012 #33

Is this a fox nooze exclusive? Jim__ Mar 2012 #29

Has there been any probable story of the struggle? mazzarro Mar 2012 #30

Yes there is. LisaL Mar 2012 #41

Yeah. Interesting the witness didn't want to use his real name or be seen on camera WhoIsNumberNone Mar 2012 #32

Thought the victim in this Broderick Mar 2012 #34

I've read online that Trayvon Martin was tall and skinny. CBHagman Mar 2012 #44

Almost as believable as the flood of "Scientists" who magically appear here.... Junkdrawer Mar 2012 #42

So it looks as though Zimmerman's defense will be that Trayvon was pounding the shit out of him, Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #47

Two things are certain... Amerigo Vespucci Mar 2012 #49

I think there will be a plea deal, but I think it will include prison time, Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #67

a plea deal for only 3 to 5 will cause a riot Solomon Mar 2012 #74

I would say the Justice Department also coalition_unwilling Mar 2012 #117

Given their past behavior, it's more than likely. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #120

the cops said there were no witnesses, right? Quite the contradiction there. nt Jumping John Mar 2012 #52

They did? Broderick Mar 2012 #54

No, they didn't. LisaL Mar 2012 #56

An anonymous witness tells his story to a Fox affiliate arcane1 Mar 2012 #53

Cue Stephanie Miller's "lying sack 'o crap" song. AtomicKitten Mar 2012 #55

And you know that how? Were you there? LisaL Mar 2012 #57

Yes, I was there. I saw the whole thing. AtomicKitten Mar 2012 #59

Well now that song you are talking about is playing in my head. LisaL Mar 2012 #60

It should be Lisa HangOnKids Mar 2012 #105

hahaha obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #73

"I saw the whole thing" Spirochete Mar 2012 #61

I am President Obama's long-lost Kenyan brother, and I saw the whole thing too slackmaster Mar 2012 #62

I think I will wait and see what the grand jury says Chuuku Davis Mar 2012 #64

Yes, teasing the truth out of this isn't going to be a slam-dunk slackmaster Mar 2012 #65

Didn't want to be identified and said his name was John. Doesn't that say it all right there? jillan Mar 2012 #66

He doesn't want to give his name out to the press. LisaL Mar 2012 #70

If he is telling the truth he gives his name HangOnKids Mar 2012 #106

Boy, we sure don't want THAT to be true! Speck Tater Mar 2012 #68

+1 The mob will be very dissapointed. L0oniX Mar 2012 #107

If true, I don't think it changes anything. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2012 #75

The whole thing could have been prevented if Zimmerman listened to the 911 operator Amerigo Vespucci Mar 2012 #81

Agreed. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2012 #88

You mean there is more than one lying racist in that neighborhood? Hugabear Mar 2012 #79

There damn well better be. Zax2me Mar 2012 #84

We already know the kid attacked Zimmerman's bullets with his torso EFerrari Mar 2012 #91

*If* true than Martin was defending himself against someone twice as heavy Raine Mar 2012 #85

He stood his ground. Bucky Mar 2012 #94

LOL.... surrrre fascisthunter Mar 2012 #89

parents need to teach their kids if someone is following them at night JI7 Mar 2012 #95

I know Zimmerman wasn't arrested but Catherine Vincent Mar 2012 #108

He was taken in, but the police haven't said if he was photographed. X_Digger Mar 2012 #112

THERE ARE NO POLICE PHOTOGRAPHS ON THE WEB ERGO THERE ARE NO PHOTOGRAPHS! slackmaster Mar 2012 #115

We don't know that the police did not take photos slackmaster Mar 2012 #113

I have a feeling even if a video recording came out showing the whole incident then certain people Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #110

No way. Anything in a video HAS to be real. slackmaster Mar 2012 #114

Two other witnesses say the scuffle was LONG over and Zimmerman probably killed Martin in cold blood Quixote1818 Mar 2012 #116

Did the coroner find any evidence that Trayvon Ilsa Mar 2012 #118