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mazzarro

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30. Has there been any probable story of the struggle?

Reply to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:49 PM

Mar 2012

Because every story written about the struggle so far has described Mr. Zimmerman's grass stained shirt and bloody face/head. What about Trayvon beside him lying face down on the grass? Did his clothes have stains as well? Were there any other wound(s) on him beside the gunshot wound that killed him? What were the conditions of the things he bought from the convenience store he went to? I ask these because it seems like some people are trying to come up with a scenario whereby Trayvon was having the better of the two of them struggling hence the justification for Zimmerman to use deadly force. This argument is totally bogus to me.

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"Witness who saw it all" claims Zimmerman yelled "HELP, HELP" as Trayvon "attacked" him [View all] Amerigo Vespucci Mar 2012 OP

Is he saying that someone stalked with a gun fought back? aquart Mar 2012 #1

These kids watch shows like Criminal Minds...for all this young man knew... Tikki Mar 2012 #8

Trayvon may have been unaware of the gun until it was too late slackmaster Mar 2012 #31

Ah, that must have been it! The devil's seed his is, that one... CTyankee Mar 2012 #82

Your reply doesn't follow logically from mine slackmaster Mar 2012 #86

then I guess I don't understand "until it was too late." CTyankee Mar 2012 #87

Too late to do whatever was necessary to avoid getting shot slackmaster Mar 2012 #90

So why on earth would Trayvon NEED to know that Zimmerman was armed? CTyankee Mar 2012 #100

Calm down for a moment and imagine two hypothetical scenarios. In one, a crazy guy approaches you. slackmaster Mar 2012 #101

But what you are saying is that Trayvon didn't KNOW Zimmerman was armed initially, so how could CTyankee Mar 2012 #102

That's right. If Trayvon didn't know that Zimmerman was armed, he might not have felt a need... slackmaster Mar 2012 #104

thanks for the clarification! CTyankee Mar 2012 #126

I don't believe it and frankly, I expected this based on the frenzy Ecumenist Mar 2012 #2

"A witness we haven't heard from before..." Amerigo Vespucci Mar 2012 #3

Yep Everyone else saw this man attack that boy and either were on 911 Ecumenist Mar 2012 #11

We heard from him way back on Feb. 27 RZM Mar 2012 #15

At least they left out the identification of Tracy Martin as Trayvon's 'mother' with the new story csziggy Mar 2012 #23

Nice catch. Hadn't noticed that RZM Mar 2012 #36

Typical creack Faux Noise reporting! csziggy Mar 2012 #50

It is the local affiliate though RZM Mar 2012 #58

True, but damn if the comment section doesn't remind me of the Faux News comment section lol Lilyeye Mar 2012 #76

Just a bit, yeah. krispos42 Mar 2012 #72

....who doesn't want to give his name. yardwork Mar 2012 #77

perjury is a felony Incitatus Mar 2012 #78

Perjury is lying under oath, in court or in a sworn deposition slackmaster Mar 2012 #96

I know and I expect this witness will appear at trial. nt Incitatus Mar 2012 #98

I'm sure he will, if there is a trial slackmaster Mar 2012 #109

All of this is irrelevant. Lint Head Mar 2012 #4

Remember this cartoon ? orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #16

That is a classic nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #18

Yeah, kinda stupid since.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #20

Funny in the age of information ," Union Officers " orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #22

Got tired of waiting for Facts orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #25

So do you deny that MM fucked up big time? n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #46

Sure MM fucked up .Big time ? orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #48

Trying to tar an organization started by ex-union soldiers.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #51

Bullshit!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #69

What in my post makes you think I don't agree with that?!? X_Digger Mar 2012 #71

Didn't do MM any favors for lying. Rex Mar 2012 #26

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #92

*gasp* whatever shall I do?!? n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #93

Zimmerman says he was walking to his truck. Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #37

This witness spoke to the Orlando media back in February RZM Mar 2012 #5

Trayvon and his girlfriend's cell phone conversation has not been played yet rustydog Mar 2012 #6

She recorded the call? Broderick Mar 2012 #35

No, she didn't record the call. LisaL Mar 2012 #38

Everything can be retrieved underpants Mar 2012 #39

You can not retreive a phone call that was not recorded to begin with. LisaL Mar 2012 #43

No, we won't. Incitatus Mar 2012 #80

The police didn't even talk to his girlfriend. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #83

that's actually not true. barbtries Mar 2012 #99

No, actually what you just said is not true. His dad said he called the police department the Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #103

yes, actually what i said is true barbtries Mar 2012 #111

Don't bother me with facts, son, I'm on a roll here! X_Digger Mar 2012 #119

lol barbtries Mar 2012 #121

No, it was not --- the police never interviewed Trayvon's girl friend. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #122

the link i gave you barbtries Mar 2012 #123

Trayvon was 17 years old when he was murdered last month. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #124

i'm aware that it's a serious issue. barbtries Mar 2012 #125

i doubt if there is a recording. barbtries Mar 2012 #97

Why is this coming out only now? Was the guy outside or is his house immediately snagglepuss Mar 2012 #7

He said this back in Feb. emilyg Mar 2012 #19

I wonder if Trayvon hit him in the face with the can of tea? Frustratedlady Mar 2012 #9

I sure pray that the Federal Investigation Team will be vigilant. FarPoint Mar 2012 #10

*** 911 Calls (Background Screams) Are Absolutely Trayvon Martin, His Mother Says *** pinboy3niner Mar 2012 #12

She's not a witness. Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #40

I think a mother would KNOW her own son's screams. Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #45

She can identify the voice treestar Mar 2012 #63

Sounds like a KKK style easily refuted lie.... hayrow1 Mar 2012 #13

Is this a member of the sheriffs family ? orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #14

"the witness only wanted to be identified as John" Enrique Mar 2012 #17

I'm sorry, but until the FBI does a complete investigation Rex Mar 2012 #21

Yeah. Right. Show of hands, children... malthaussen Mar 2012 #24

Who said he pointed a gun? randome Mar 2012 #28

So even if true does this mean that a stalker is not a threat and a child cannot defend himself from jwirr Mar 2012 #27

That would be a poor argument to use at a trial. randome Mar 2012 #33

Is this a fox nooze exclusive? Jim__ Mar 2012 #29

Has there been any probable story of the struggle? mazzarro Mar 2012 #30

Yes there is. LisaL Mar 2012 #41

Yeah. Interesting the witness didn't want to use his real name or be seen on camera WhoIsNumberNone Mar 2012 #32

Thought the victim in this Broderick Mar 2012 #34

I've read online that Trayvon Martin was tall and skinny. CBHagman Mar 2012 #44

Almost as believable as the flood of "Scientists" who magically appear here.... Junkdrawer Mar 2012 #42

So it looks as though Zimmerman's defense will be that Trayvon was pounding the shit out of him, Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #47

Two things are certain... Amerigo Vespucci Mar 2012 #49

I think there will be a plea deal, but I think it will include prison time, Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #67

a plea deal for only 3 to 5 will cause a riot Solomon Mar 2012 #74

I would say the Justice Department also coalition_unwilling Mar 2012 #117

Given their past behavior, it's more than likely. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #120

the cops said there were no witnesses, right? Quite the contradiction there. nt Jumping John Mar 2012 #52

They did? Broderick Mar 2012 #54

No, they didn't. LisaL Mar 2012 #56

An anonymous witness tells his story to a Fox affiliate arcane1 Mar 2012 #53

Cue Stephanie Miller's "lying sack 'o crap" song. AtomicKitten Mar 2012 #55

And you know that how? Were you there? LisaL Mar 2012 #57

Yes, I was there. I saw the whole thing. AtomicKitten Mar 2012 #59

Well now that song you are talking about is playing in my head. LisaL Mar 2012 #60

It should be Lisa HangOnKids Mar 2012 #105

hahaha obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #73

"I saw the whole thing" Spirochete Mar 2012 #61

I am President Obama's long-lost Kenyan brother, and I saw the whole thing too slackmaster Mar 2012 #62

I think I will wait and see what the grand jury says Chuuku Davis Mar 2012 #64

Yes, teasing the truth out of this isn't going to be a slam-dunk slackmaster Mar 2012 #65

Didn't want to be identified and said his name was John. Doesn't that say it all right there? jillan Mar 2012 #66

He doesn't want to give his name out to the press. LisaL Mar 2012 #70

If he is telling the truth he gives his name HangOnKids Mar 2012 #106

Boy, we sure don't want THAT to be true! Speck Tater Mar 2012 #68

+1 The mob will be very dissapointed. L0oniX Mar 2012 #107

If true, I don't think it changes anything. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2012 #75

The whole thing could have been prevented if Zimmerman listened to the 911 operator Amerigo Vespucci Mar 2012 #81

Agreed. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2012 #88

You mean there is more than one lying racist in that neighborhood? Hugabear Mar 2012 #79

There damn well better be. Zax2me Mar 2012 #84

We already know the kid attacked Zimmerman's bullets with his torso EFerrari Mar 2012 #91

*If* true than Martin was defending himself against someone twice as heavy Raine Mar 2012 #85

He stood his ground. Bucky Mar 2012 #94

LOL.... surrrre fascisthunter Mar 2012 #89

parents need to teach their kids if someone is following them at night JI7 Mar 2012 #95

I know Zimmerman wasn't arrested but Catherine Vincent Mar 2012 #108

He was taken in, but the police haven't said if he was photographed. X_Digger Mar 2012 #112

THERE ARE NO POLICE PHOTOGRAPHS ON THE WEB ERGO THERE ARE NO PHOTOGRAPHS! slackmaster Mar 2012 #115

We don't know that the police did not take photos slackmaster Mar 2012 #113

I have a feeling even if a video recording came out showing the whole incident then certain people Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #110

No way. Anything in a video HAS to be real. slackmaster Mar 2012 #114

Two other witnesses say the scuffle was LONG over and Zimmerman probably killed Martin in cold blood Quixote1818 Mar 2012 #116

Did the coroner find any evidence that Trayvon Ilsa Mar 2012 #118