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165. no cigar

Thu Mar 13, 2014, 06:18 PM

Mar 2014

1. This has NOTHING to do with the NSA, despite efforts to confuse the two issues/////////////////

both alphabet agencies are supposed to be under control of the president, both deal with illegal surveillance

2. This was an investigation into the CIA practices, as allowed under GWB //////

yes it happened under w but for whatever reason current potus has repeatedly shielded w......obstruction

If you want to place blame, blame GWB not Obama.

I prefer not to point fingers, unless it's towards the future/////////////////////

this torture included waterboarding, beatings, electrical shock, sexual depravity, chaining people to the floor and freezing them to death, I do not want people capable of ordering that or doing that walking around in society

potus can still prosecute and be on the right side of history

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Have *you* actually read Sen. Feinstein's complaint? [View all] MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 OP

Yes, and ProSense Mar 2014 #1

... sheshe2 Mar 2014 #2

wow, you love prosense post? Shocking! nt Logical Mar 2014 #42

I know, it is shocking indeed. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #50

Well, at least you kick her stuff and save her the trouble! nt Logical Mar 2014 #51

Oh my! sheshe2 Mar 2014 #53

LOL, twice vs. 1000s.....nice try! The trouble with the hair on fire.... Logical Mar 2014 #55

You do it, you can't condemn it. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #58

I kind of agree with you on not having the moral authority to lecture others when you do it yourself sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #74

You're dealing with religious zealots mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #60

Snort~ sheshe2 Mar 2014 #61

LOL, great point! Good description also! nt Logical Mar 2014 #65

Facts? lark Mar 2014 #133

Their purpose is not to convince anyone of anything. bvar22 Mar 2014 #131

Authoritarians will ALWAYS be the enemy of liberals. Rex Mar 2014 #152

The sad part is that they don't realize that I (we) ARE Obama supporters, bvar22 Mar 2014 #161

I remember that quote from TR. Used it for Wing Nuts back in the Bush days. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #191

Can you be specific as to the "spin" that's mischaracterizing the situation? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #5

Cute ProSense Mar 2014 #7

You're either intoxicated, or trying to divert people on purpose. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #8

LOL! ProSense Mar 2014 #9

Not one bit funny, 840high Mar 2014 #30

LOL this as well: DeSwiss Mar 2014 #104

"The White House has indicated publicly and to me personally that it supports declassification msanthrope Mar 2014 #35

That's totally the main point of this. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #37

You seem upset that DiFi and the President are in accord. Why? nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #39

We seem to be living on alternate universes, you and I MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #43

I thought you were alerting on yourself? What happened? nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #44

Yow! MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #46

OMG that exchange was fucking funny! lonestarnot Mar 2014 #49

I agree glinda Mar 2014 #63

Lol, excellent way to describe it. n/t sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #76

If you really believe they're in accord, and if your billing rate is more than $7.00 per hour... DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #159

:) I find myself thinking similar often. Thanks for saying it. Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #172

Anybody can claim to be anything on the Internet. bvar22 Mar 2014 #193

I distinctly recall that Costanza is a marine biologist. :) DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #194

Diversion and obfuscation. progressoid Mar 2014 #67

I will need to replace my scroll mouse soon from zipping over those posts so often, for GoneFishin Mar 2014 #176

What do you think about the main issue underlying all the obvious issues, Torture, the CIA torturing sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #75

If Obama supports declassification and release of the committee report, JDPriestly Mar 2014 #127

Excellent. Thank you. n/t cui bono Mar 2014 #130

Ding ding. Intelligence agencies aspire to be the 4th branch of government. DirkGently Mar 2014 #135

Yes. Precisely. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #141

It also comes down to Aerows Mar 2014 #142

I think she is telling the truth although I do not like her much. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #143

I can't see how she wouldn't be Aerows Mar 2014 #145

Well said and well framed. zeemike Mar 2014 #147

Excellent post, thank you! The only way to stop all of this is for the American people to know what sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #175

I'm glad they're not going to stop, but then what? Voice for Peace Mar 2014 #123

Absolutely unbelievable lark Mar 2014 #132

And in effect Aerows Mar 2014 #144

The answer is no LondonReign2 Mar 2014 #146

OMG, you are defending torture now??? Really, you think it's OK to torture people? Really??? grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #149

Are your comprehensions skills that bad? Seriously? ProSense Mar 2014 #156

Do you think it is wrong to torture people? If someone has tortured an individual, should they be grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #160

So you are calling 8 Democratic Senators liars? Aerows Mar 2014 #151

Please, point to where your comment has anything remotely to do with what I posted. ProSense Mar 2014 #157

So you are Aerows Mar 2014 #158

It took me longer than 10 minutes to read, and as a citizen, I will read it again. enough Mar 2014 #3

I agree. History is being made, right now. grasswire Mar 2014 #4

Thank You For That !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #6

Can't I just wait for the cartoon synopsis? They seem to be more accurate. nt adirondacker Mar 2014 #10

I read it last night and highlighted the important parts Catherina Mar 2014 #11

so good to have you back here, Catherina. nt grasswire Mar 2014 #12

Thanks Grasswire Catherina Mar 2014 #26

I do hope you pop in more often. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #112

Thanks! I'll definitely try to Catherina Mar 2014 #138

Very interesting. Autumn Mar 2014 #13

This is unbelievable stuff MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #14

Imagine the very worst, Manny. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #96

Imagining the very worst is why Manny exists on DU. tridim Mar 2014 #99

I feel the exact opposite. Manny brings the insight! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #100

"unbelievable" NO ...it's totally believable! L0oniX Mar 2014 #114

She says 3rd possibility of a Whistle Blower....That's something new to think about... KoKo Mar 2014 #134

That jumped out at me. Autumn Mar 2014 #136

That's rather breathtaking. n/t myrna minx Mar 2014 #155

wow...incredible steve2470 Mar 2014 #15

shit hitting fan glinda Mar 2014 #64

Those of us who have stated again and again that NSA spying on Americans is truedelphi Mar 2014 #167

I find this one tidbit compelling grasswire Mar 2014 #16

That made me do a spit take MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #17

yeah, it's insane grasswire Mar 2014 #20

We know there are many contractors who work for the BFEE Oilwellian Mar 2014 #27

The reason is: contractors can be used to obscure responsibility and diffuse blame struggle4progress Mar 2014 #85

that's a likely reason.. it's still stunning. 2banon Mar 2014 #86

I don't find it "stunning" at all: it's been going on for years, and IMO it's been a big part struggle4progress Mar 2014 #87

I understand and know that.. but this is entirely different level. n/t 2banon Mar 2014 #89

Crime is always stunning, no matter how much we 'knew' about it or for how long. It's even more sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #129

I find this compelling ProSense Mar 2014 #22

I glossed over that part steve2470 Mar 2014 #23

Never missing an opportunity to fund the Private Security Corporations. I wonder how much THAT cost sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #79

"cost" ...hmmm isn't that a secret too? L0oniX Mar 2014 #116

Yes, all we know is that billions of tax dollars have been along to Private Security sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #126

Maybe they pay people to read the bills for them? L0oniX Mar 2014 #128

I had a mind to call her office and get that $ amt for the record 2banon Mar 2014 #153

42 million i think questionseverything Mar 2014 #162

Thanks again! 2banon Mar 2014 #168

Yes, this is very out of character for her. Whatever is motivating her, I would be surprised if she sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #164

Yes grasswire, that caught my attention too, scraped jaw from floor.. yeah private contractors 2banon Mar 2014 #83

+1000000 woo me with science Mar 2014 #84

Seriously, that caught me attention in a big way also. It made me want to finish the whole thing, uppityperson Mar 2014 #91

It is worth reading. jsr Mar 2014 #18

"I view the acting general counsel�s referral as a potential effort to intimidate this staff" woo me with science Mar 2014 #19

Rogue. nt grasswire Mar 2014 #21

Are the Panetta Review doc what has the CIA in a snit and trying to get the DOJ Autumn Mar 2014 #24

Yes, the Panetta Internal Review. And I'll take C for $500 Alex, "intentionally by a whistle-blower" Catherina Mar 2014 #29

Yes, it seems it was never meant to be seen. woo me with science Mar 2014 #73

you got it right..woo, it's an amazing Difi went public with this full on. . 2banon Mar 2014 #93

Did she put this on record because they are threatened? My impression.... glinda Mar 2014 #66

Getting perceived threats on record would certainly seem important. woo me with science Mar 2014 #78

Wow. Marr Mar 2014 #70

The OP is right. woo me with science Mar 2014 #82

...something about that octapus logo? L0oniX Mar 2014 #113

I missed the mention of the actual name of that unit chiefs lawyer, do you know what it is? 2banon Mar 2014 #88

One layer of indirection solves almost any problem! this had three bobduca Mar 2014 #25

And you are discussing simply the physical reality of what happened in this instance and when. truedelphi Mar 2014 #166

I appreciate your skepticism bobduca Mar 2014 #171

There you go again ... Newsjock Mar 2014 #28

Thanks Manny pscot Mar 2014 #31

Mr. Goldstein, I have a few questions ... Scuba Mar 2014 #32

You're a sick, twisted individual. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #45

"serious action to right the thing" ...the stuff dreams are made of? L0oniX Mar 2014 #107

^^^^^^^^^^^Excellent, excellent post.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ woo me with science Mar 2014 #80

outstanding, Scuba grasswire Mar 2014 #90

Seconding the request to post as an OP. woo me with science Mar 2014 #92

Done ... Scuba Mar 2014 #120

Done. Feel free to send to Wyden, although he doesn't appear to need much help. Scuba Mar 2014 #121

Scuba, THIS needs to be it's own thread! 2banon Mar 2014 #94

Done ... Scuba Mar 2014 #119

Third request for this as an OP. sibelian Mar 2014 #97

4th L0oniX Mar 2014 #108

Done ... Scuba Mar 2014 #117

Done ... Scuba Mar 2014 #118

Smoke from the dark shadow US government... L0oniX Mar 2014 #106

The CIA's (unnamed) acting general counsel is the one to watch. pacalo Mar 2014 #33

Robert Eatinger bobduca Mar 2014 #38

Feinstein's senate floor speech backfired beautifully. pacalo Mar 2014 #48

deminks posted it early this AM but it sank ... bobduca Mar 2014 #59

I just gave it a K&R. pacalo Mar 2014 #62

Is it possible that copies of the photos were in the report Feinstein saw? KoKo Mar 2014 #140

Doesn't Seymour Hersch have copies? Or his source? 2banon Mar 2014 #154

Hey...that's interesting! KoKo Mar 2014 #163

I remember waiting for that shoe to drop 2banon Mar 2014 #169

unnamed in the report BUT mentioned on PBS News Hour tonight 2banon Mar 2014 #95

Robert Eatinger bobduca Mar 2014 #110

That's it.. mentioned 1,600 times in the torture papers 2banon Mar 2014 #124

Let's clarify a couple of things jazzimov Mar 2014 #34

Don't bring facts into perfectly good outrage. nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #36

Well, there is this... Oilwellian Mar 2014 #40

"I prefer not to point fingers, unless it's towards the future." pacalo Mar 2014 #41

I should blame Bush for Obama's CIA #%^*ing with the Senate Oversight Commitee MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #47

Do you blame Bush for torture? ProSense Mar 2014 #54

Remember the Outrageous! Outrageous! IRS scandal? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #56

So ProSense Mar 2014 #57

two sentients to the shadow government perhaps glinda Mar 2014 #69

Apparently the CIA still works for Bush / Cheney. Scuba Mar 2014 #98

God, that's gross. Marr Mar 2014 #72

What came of blaming Bush, which we certainly did? Any investigations, anyone even lose sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #81

No, that's only part of What Progressive Stands for fascisthunter Mar 2014 #148

no cigar questionseverything Mar 2014 #165

Dear MannyGoldstein. Doncha think lonestarnot Mar 2014 #52

the video of her Senate speech is here steve2470 Mar 2014 #68

Once again: The only solution is world revolution. Zorra Mar 2014 #71

Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing. bobduca Mar 2014 #174

Brennan Calls CIA Hacking Charges �Beyond The Scope of Reason� steve2470 Mar 2014 #77

LOL ...and spying is ok as long as it isn't done to those that ok'd the spying. L0oniX Mar 2014 #109

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #101

"If the Senate can declassify this report, we will be able to ensure that an un-American, G_j Mar 2014 #102

Not holding my breath on that one.. 2banon Mar 2014 #183

Let them eat metadata Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #103

So the CIA hired outside contractors huh ...and assholes hate Snowden? L0oniX Mar 2014 #105

Well I have now. MuseRider Mar 2014 #111

Serious implications here Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #115

Wow! Push Meet Shove! tea and oranges Mar 2014 #122

K&R! Phlem Mar 2014 #125

Is this what the NSA's bowels are in an uproar about re: Edward Snowden? Hestia Mar 2014 #137

Senator Feinstein is on the phone with Japanese ministers right now - truedelphi Mar 2014 #139

"CIA detention sites were far different and far more harsh than the way the CIA had described them" grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #150

Remember when Seymour Hersch reported that back 10 years ago? 2banon Mar 2014 #170

Yes. He told the story of a 14yo boy screaming as he was raped! grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #179

Yes, and more evil, sadistic monstrous behavior 2banon Mar 2014 #182

Found this: grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #187

The Pentagon took possession of these videos 2banon Mar 2014 #189

Hersh said they would come out.... eventually. I don't know. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #190

Yes, and thank you by the way for the reminder and the links. 2banon Mar 2014 #192

what is even more unbelievable... pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #173

I share your outrage, to the depths of my soul. 2banon Mar 2014 #180

thanks, it is completely sureal, even Orwell would be stunned at the duplicity. nt pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #181

+10000 n/t 2banon Mar 2014 #184

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