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AnalystInParadise

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54. Yeah actually we have

Thu Mar 13, 2014, 11:08 PM

Mar 2014

I was in Afghanistan last year, our supply routes are out of Kyrgyzstan then through Russian airspace back to Europe. 70% of supplies move through Russian air space, the rest is ground transport through Pakistan (ground) and a small corridor through Turkmenistan. They can't cut us off completely, but they can hurt us.

Look at the map, how else do we fly into and out of Afghanistan?

Winter is over, and I agree point one is less potent, but most European nations do not have a large Strategic Reserve and the increased price of crude oil would be harsh on Europes economies which are already suffering.

My point is not to say Russia is great or we are completely screwed, but in the modern world we would suffer nearly as much as they would and over what? A country most people in this nation could care less about? I think PBO would not risk further economic turmoil over Ukraine.

Nadin said this resembled WW1 or WW2.....I think it resembles 1936-1938 when The Nazis knew how far they could push the West. They got greedy in 1939 and that led to war. We aren't at the 1939 point yet.

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Russian troops massing on the Ukranian border [View all] nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 OP

I call it another good reason to not interfere in squabble. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #1

there will be no cold war. Russia doesn't have the game for it. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #2

I think at a minimum, we have have another Cold War. If Putin invades Ukraine, then neverforget Mar 2014 #3

I agree, I think this is a guns of august scenario nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #4

Well that didn't take long bigdarryl Mar 2014 #5

Or AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #6

Unless... look back a hundred years nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #7

I expected it to go this far AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #13

For the moment, economically nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #15

But how AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #19

Article five nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #21

How does Article 5 AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #23

I said if POLAND invokes it nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #26

I am not trying to be a jerk AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #29

Tense, it could be as simple as a fighter getting too close to a border nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #35

Putin doesn't want Poland AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #44

Right now I expect economic sanctions and saber ratttling nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #49

That I can agree with AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #56

That is where events can take a life of their own nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #61

If we were dealing with a truly important part of the globe AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #65

That is where miscalculations come in nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #68

I can agree with that AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #69

And to me this is more like 1913 leading to 1914 nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #77

If the Brits are not serious AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #31

The brits have been giving signals that they want out of the EU nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #39

The Fulda Gap? rdharma Mar 2014 #40

So, you think that the US and Europe won't punish him economically? geek tragedy Mar 2014 #10

Europe won't punish Russia too hard AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #14

Well, we tend to reward certain other countries for occupations and illegal annexations Scootaloo Mar 2014 #55

I bash the hell out of Israel for doing geek tragedy Mar 2014 #60

Good. Our government doesn't Scootaloo Mar 2014 #64

It 's a big deal because it is a big deal geek tragedy Mar 2014 #71

Okay. Can you tell me why? Scootaloo Mar 2014 #72

It doesn't AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #75

For one, it's an unstable situation. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #78

So really, it IS just "Because Russia"? Scootaloo Mar 2014 #79

Well, if China tried to annex part of Korea or Thailand there would geek tragedy Mar 2014 #80

Ironically AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #83

Unlikely in any event because Russia was able to do a soft annexation geek tragedy Mar 2014 #84

People are trying to make this a big deal AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #74

That's sort of been my thought Scootaloo Mar 2014 #76

That's pretty naive view. KGB has nothing on CIA. functioning_cog Mar 2014 #36

Huh? AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #57

You and Putin underestimate the CIA at your peril functioning_cog Mar 2014 #59

What? AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #62

I'll bet you a DU donation of $10 the U.S. will go functioning_cog Mar 2014 #63

Let's define Serious bats AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #67

I want to say that I agree with both you and Nadin, bemildred Mar 2014 #91

A bully bullies. Not shocked at who supports this bully. William769 Mar 2014 #8

I think your bully analogy does not really work nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #9

There will be consequences for Crimea, let alone the rest of Ukraine. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #11

How? AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #20

Asset freezes on Russia's plutocratic buddies for one. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #22

And what would Russia's response be? AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #24

Unknown, probably torpedo Iran deal. nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #25

Two initial steps AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #28

Winter is over. Europe--unlike North America-- geek tragedy Mar 2014 #42

Yeah actually we have AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #54

Good analysis. Spot on. go west young man Mar 2014 #89

The U.S. does not need Russia. It will drag Europe kicking and screaming functioning_cog Mar 2014 #41

He's the worst kind of bully... one_voice Mar 2014 #30

Agreed! William769 Mar 2014 #47

I like worst Brother Buzz Mar 2014 #12

Das ist mir Wurst. nt rdharma Mar 2014 #48

worse? sad-cafe Mar 2014 #16

"At this time, the United States, will no longer accept the Russian Ruble as currency." Separation Mar 2014 #17

That is not too shocking actually. It follows the economic punishment nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #18

The U.S. can bury Russia economically AND functioning_cog Mar 2014 #43

Translates to: sacrifice more US middle class to do it, just like Iraq and Afghanistan... pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #66

No. Reagan cold war + Reagan tax cuts destroyed middle class. functioning_cog Mar 2014 #70

we have even more income disparity and our war on terror, war on drugs, war on immigration, ... pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #90

Apparently this development is a complete surprise to NSA and CIA who have just pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #27

Folks need to pick a spot. Last I heard, CIA started Ukraine functioning_cog Mar 2014 #45

I want to believe that even CIA isn't that fucking stupid. On other hand situation is totaly FUBAR pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #52

Sorry...dupe..I just posted this cilla4progress Mar 2014 #32

Not a problem nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #37

... seems Sunday will likely be a catalyst. My gut feeling is it's only the beginning, that this RKP5637 Mar 2014 #33

I did not expect him to go this far nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #38

His style reminds me of the strong armed dictatorial leaders in my youth. He seems RKP5637 Mar 2014 #51

I know exactly what you mean nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #53

I think Putin is an evil bigot. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #34

Why what a coincidence, that's what I think too! NuclearDem Mar 2014 #46

I would like to add one qualifier nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #50

Very true! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #73

I think Putin will open Olive Garden restaurants in Crimea ... kwassa Mar 2014 #58

..and they're all armed with e-cigs!!! U4ikLefty Mar 2014 #81

You know, your attempt at humor fails nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #82

Yes it was juvenile. I guess I should hang around adults more often, but U4ikLefty Mar 2014 #85

Even more juvenile nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #86

My issues result from smoking too much e-crack in the car with my toddler. U4ikLefty Mar 2014 #87

And even more juvenile. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #88