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AnalystInParadise

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65. If we were dealing with a truly important part of the globe

Thu Mar 13, 2014, 11:18 PM

Mar 2014

I would agree with you. But Ukraine is not the Levant, Middle East, North Africa, Strait of Moulacca, or South China Sea. It is not a fulcrum on the world stage, we will gnash our teeth and try sanctions, but hell even the Germans are starting to back off of sanctions.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/obama-raises-stakes-crimean-standoff-putin-22805939

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Russian troops massing on the Ukranian border [View all] nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 OP

I call it another good reason to not interfere in squabble. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #1

there will be no cold war. Russia doesn't have the game for it. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #2

I think at a minimum, we have have another Cold War. If Putin invades Ukraine, then neverforget Mar 2014 #3

I agree, I think this is a guns of august scenario nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #4

Well that didn't take long bigdarryl Mar 2014 #5

Or AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #6

Unless... look back a hundred years nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #7

I expected it to go this far AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #13

For the moment, economically nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #15

But how AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #19

Article five nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #21

How does Article 5 AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #23

I said if POLAND invokes it nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #26

I am not trying to be a jerk AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #29

Tense, it could be as simple as a fighter getting too close to a border nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #35

Putin doesn't want Poland AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #44

Right now I expect economic sanctions and saber ratttling nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #49

That I can agree with AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #56

That is where events can take a life of their own nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #61

If we were dealing with a truly important part of the globe AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #65

That is where miscalculations come in nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #68

I can agree with that AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #69

And to me this is more like 1913 leading to 1914 nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #77

If the Brits are not serious AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #31

The brits have been giving signals that they want out of the EU nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #39

The Fulda Gap? rdharma Mar 2014 #40

So, you think that the US and Europe won't punish him economically? geek tragedy Mar 2014 #10

Europe won't punish Russia too hard AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #14

Well, we tend to reward certain other countries for occupations and illegal annexations Scootaloo Mar 2014 #55

I bash the hell out of Israel for doing geek tragedy Mar 2014 #60

Good. Our government doesn't Scootaloo Mar 2014 #64

It 's a big deal because it is a big deal geek tragedy Mar 2014 #71

Okay. Can you tell me why? Scootaloo Mar 2014 #72

It doesn't AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #75

For one, it's an unstable situation. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #78

So really, it IS just "Because Russia"? Scootaloo Mar 2014 #79

Well, if China tried to annex part of Korea or Thailand there would geek tragedy Mar 2014 #80

Ironically AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #83

Unlikely in any event because Russia was able to do a soft annexation geek tragedy Mar 2014 #84

People are trying to make this a big deal AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #74

That's sort of been my thought Scootaloo Mar 2014 #76

That's pretty naive view. KGB has nothing on CIA. functioning_cog Mar 2014 #36

Huh? AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #57

You and Putin underestimate the CIA at your peril functioning_cog Mar 2014 #59

What? AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #62

I'll bet you a DU donation of $10 the U.S. will go functioning_cog Mar 2014 #63

Let's define Serious bats AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #67

I want to say that I agree with both you and Nadin, bemildred Mar 2014 #91

A bully bullies. Not shocked at who supports this bully. William769 Mar 2014 #8

I think your bully analogy does not really work nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #9

There will be consequences for Crimea, let alone the rest of Ukraine. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #11

How? AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #20

Asset freezes on Russia's plutocratic buddies for one. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #22

And what would Russia's response be? AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #24

Unknown, probably torpedo Iran deal. nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #25

Two initial steps AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #28

Winter is over. Europe--unlike North America-- geek tragedy Mar 2014 #42

Yeah actually we have AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #54

Good analysis. Spot on. go west young man Mar 2014 #89

The U.S. does not need Russia. It will drag Europe kicking and screaming functioning_cog Mar 2014 #41

He's the worst kind of bully... one_voice Mar 2014 #30

Agreed! William769 Mar 2014 #47

I like worst Brother Buzz Mar 2014 #12

Das ist mir Wurst. nt rdharma Mar 2014 #48

worse? sad-cafe Mar 2014 #16

"At this time, the United States, will no longer accept the Russian Ruble as currency." Separation Mar 2014 #17

That is not too shocking actually. It follows the economic punishment nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #18

The U.S. can bury Russia economically AND functioning_cog Mar 2014 #43

Translates to: sacrifice more US middle class to do it, just like Iraq and Afghanistan... pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #66

No. Reagan cold war + Reagan tax cuts destroyed middle class. functioning_cog Mar 2014 #70

we have even more income disparity and our war on terror, war on drugs, war on immigration, ... pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #90

Apparently this development is a complete surprise to NSA and CIA who have just pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #27

Folks need to pick a spot. Last I heard, CIA started Ukraine functioning_cog Mar 2014 #45

I want to believe that even CIA isn't that fucking stupid. On other hand situation is totaly FUBAR pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #52

Sorry...dupe..I just posted this cilla4progress Mar 2014 #32

Not a problem nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #37

... seems Sunday will likely be a catalyst. My gut feeling is it's only the beginning, that this RKP5637 Mar 2014 #33

I did not expect him to go this far nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #38

His style reminds me of the strong armed dictatorial leaders in my youth. He seems RKP5637 Mar 2014 #51

I know exactly what you mean nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #53

I think Putin is an evil bigot. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #34

Why what a coincidence, that's what I think too! NuclearDem Mar 2014 #46

I would like to add one qualifier nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #50

Very true! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #73

I think Putin will open Olive Garden restaurants in Crimea ... kwassa Mar 2014 #58

..and they're all armed with e-cigs!!! U4ikLefty Mar 2014 #81

You know, your attempt at humor fails nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #82

Yes it was juvenile. I guess I should hang around adults more often, but U4ikLefty Mar 2014 #85

Even more juvenile nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #86

My issues result from smoking too much e-crack in the car with my toddler. U4ikLefty Mar 2014 #87

And even more juvenile. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #88