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ellisonz

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150. He can get a public defender for free.

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 11:46 PM

Mar 2012

If that public defender is incompetent he can request a new trial. He should have thought about that before he raised that gun and pulled the trigger.

You can access the complete police report from this article as a PDF: http://www.jsonline.com/news/ozwash/slinger-homeowner-wont-be-charged-in-fatal-shooting-9q4mdbl-143712626.html

I get it, you don't like duty to retreat, but frankly, it's been a sound legal principle for quite a long time. All these new Castle and Stand Your Ground laws are carbon copies of the right-wing agenda. You can stop with the hypotheticals and start doing so objective research into how these laws are applied. Here's a start: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/24/opinion/floridas-disastrous-self-defense-law.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

This should have gone to court. I hope the Morrison family contacts the State Attorney General's Office and the Justice Department.

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No charges filed against homeowner accused of shooting Bo Morrison [View all] Are_grits_groceries Mar 2012 OP

I thought Castle Doctrine only applied if the intruder was IN your house auburngrad82 Mar 2012 #1

It was an enclosed porch I think.... Little Star Mar 2012 #2

Twice I have chased intruders from my home. I have never had to fire a shot. Just hearing a rifle appleannie1 Mar 2012 #3

I once heard a personal safety expert say -- Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2012 #4

It is more common in defensive gun usages for no shots to be fired... Lizzie Poppet Mar 2012 #5

He was drugged up. Drahthaardogs Mar 2012 #141

moreover, in the event you do need to discharge your shotgun.. frylock Mar 2012 #7

Depend what you stoke it with .... BOHICA12 Mar 2012 #34

I worked in a PD for 15 years. Most burglars are not armed and more homeowners are shot with their appleannie1 Mar 2012 #11

That's the best weapon for home defense, but a dog is the best thing. Incitatus Mar 2012 #43

it is a universally known sound somehow ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #15

Seems reasonable considering it was in the dark at 2am. Pacafishmate Mar 2012 #6

i don't think it was reasonable to shoot him JI7 Mar 2012 #25

Nonsense. ellisonz Mar 2012 #29

Assuming the homeowner is telling the truth that Morrison really did "take a step towards" brentspeak Mar 2012 #8

This is the problem with these shoots... orwell Mar 2012 #9

Doing either is a good way to get killed dmallind Mar 2012 #10

I really don't want to ever kill someone ohheckyeah Mar 2012 #12

that's a good idea ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #16

Yeah, the shooter was in genuine danger and "needed to defend himself" brentspeak Mar 2012 #13

"Shoot to wound" is Hollywood fiction. Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #17

Is firing a warning shot also a "Hollywood fiction"? brentspeak Mar 2012 #18

Warning shots are Hollywood Fiction. ksbsnowowl Mar 2012 #20

He can legally shoot dead an unarmed intruder brentspeak Mar 2012 #86

You have the location wrong. It was the back porch, and he likely trespassed to get there. piedmont Mar 2012 #23

Oh really? Straw Man Mar 2012 #154

Probably raising his right hand to apologize... ellisonz Mar 2012 #30

I think a culture of "don't break into someone's home at 2 am" would have worked even better. nt piedmont Mar 2012 #33

Baloney. ellisonz Mar 2012 #40

Would I want this to happen to a family member? ksbsnowowl Mar 2012 #45

"Play stupid games, win stupid prizes." ellisonz Mar 2012 #55

You can do better than cut-n-paste piedmont Mar 2012 #47

This was a party next to the guys house. ellisonz Mar 2012 #54

And this was 2 am, an hour after police were called piedmont Mar 2012 #115

"committing suicide-by-homeowner." ellisonz Mar 2012 #117

It's how our society is ordered gratuitous Mar 2012 #14

+1 Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #38

... SammyWinstonJack Mar 2012 #102

and got root Mar 2012 #19

That seems justifiable... Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #21

yeah, but i still don't think it was justified, he could/should have just called the cops JI7 Mar 2012 #22

As said above, if I find someone in my house... Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #24

in this case the guy was not inside the home, he was in the porch area hiding from cops JI7 Mar 2012 #26

As explained above, it apparently was a fully enclosed sun room... Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #27

It's a fully enclosed porch, not a typical porch but more akin to a sunroom. Selatius Mar 2012 #79

If this guy grabs a baseball bat instead of a gun... ellisonz Mar 2012 #28

Or the kid gets beat to death by a blunt instrument... Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #31

Nonsense... ellisonz Mar 2012 #35

THis one is far from inexcusable....the guy came into the other guys house... Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #36

Rubbish. ellisonz Mar 2012 #39

I wouldn't expect my kids to be drunk and then break into someone's house to hide from the police Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #48

I did all the time, we usually just left the party if the cops were called Hippo_Tron Mar 2012 #155

Perhaps you missed this.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #41

He didn't have a scratch on him. ellisonz Mar 2012 #44

Nice falsified account in that article there. ksbsnowowl Mar 2012 #46

If it was so dark... ellisonz Mar 2012 #56

The light was off and he could not see what Morrison was doing brentspeak Mar 2012 #157

Did you take video? nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #158

And what exactly does distance have to do with it? X_Digger Mar 2012 #50

We frankly have no idea if we walked toward him... ellisonz Mar 2012 #66

Did you forget the DA's statement, again, or is that intentional? X_Digger Mar 2012 #87

Intentional? ellisonz Mar 2012 #88

So the DA wouldn't have pressed charges, even without castle doctrine, and your response is.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #93

Somehow I think you have an agenda... ellisonz Mar 2012 #94

Nice deflection. X_Digger Mar 2012 #96

What makes you think the DA and the police conducted a fair investigation? ellisonz Mar 2012 #98

Another dodge. X_Digger Mar 2012 #103

And you're defending a killer... ellisonz Mar 2012 #111

And another dodge.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #114

What makes you think the D.A. couldn't indict him and let a jury decide? n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #116

"Couldn't"? None. But that wasn't the question, was it? n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #118

Exactly. He's making a choice, and no one is under any obligations to make apologies for this dude. ellisonz Mar 2012 #119

"knowing full well the kid was likely not armed" -- equivocate much? X_Digger Mar 2012 #120

Should go to trial... ellisonz Mar 2012 #121

I notice you still haven't answered my question. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #122

The answer to your question is that the D.A. is making a choice... ellisonz Mar 2012 #124

That's a dodge, not an answer. X_Digger Mar 2012 #126

Malice aforethought. ellisonz Mar 2012 #130

That word.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #133

You really don't help your argument... ellisonz Mar 2012 #138

What leads you to believe that the homeowner intended to kill the intruder? X_Digger Mar 2012 #139

He's an experienced gun owner. ellisonz Mar 2012 #140

That's another dodge. X_Digger Mar 2012 #143

There's no dodge there at all. ellisonz Mar 2012 #144

Why do people like not answering my questions? X_Digger Mar 2012 #145

I know where you stand on these issues. ellisonz Mar 2012 #146

Lol, so you didn't actually answer the previous question. Okay. X_Digger Mar 2012 #147

You couldn't buy a clue... ellisonz Mar 2012 #148

Without "Castle Law" the homeowner would have been found justified anyway. ksbsnowowl Mar 2012 #42

Yeah, in this particular case, and after the fact. krispos42 Mar 2012 #32

They aren't saying who called the police in the first place... ellisonz Mar 2012 #37

Actually, the DA and the cops are saying the defending homeowner called police in the first place. ksbsnowowl Mar 2012 #49

So he knew there was the party... ellisonz Mar 2012 #57

Because no bad people ever came to a party? nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #90

Stupid question. ellisonz Mar 2012 #92

It's a very relevant question. You seem to believe that a party somehow means that the homeowner Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #97

You seem to believe one ought to shoot first, and ask questions later... ellisonz Mar 2012 #100

When you find someone skulking within your house, yes. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #101

Hope you don't shoot the neighbors kid some weekened... ellisonz Mar 2012 #104

20 years old is now a kid? Soon it will be 25 or maybe 30. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #105

No, I wasn't in the "in" crowd. krispos42 Mar 2012 #51

Well I did go to such parties... ellisonz Mar 2012 #58

Maybe Bo should have manned up and accepted the underage drinking citation instead of breaking... JVS Mar 2012 #62

Really? ellisonz Mar 2012 #64

Really! It's not the homeowner's job to know the intentions of the guy breaking into his house JVS Mar 2012 #71

"or use the doorbell and ask to enter." ellisonz Mar 2012 #74

Do you believe that Bo is entitled to enter other people's houses without their consent? JVS Mar 2012 #77

Do you believe a homeowner is entitled to shoot an unarmed drunk kid in cold blood? ellisonz Mar 2012 #78

How are you defining 'cold blood'?? Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #81

As in he knew there was a party, he confronted them, he then called the cops... ellisonz Mar 2012 #82

When someone breaks into your house it isn't "cold blood" JVS Mar 2012 #83

He had time to ask him what he was doing there... ellisonz Mar 2012 #84

Never knew someone who hid in a house though. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #91

He hid in a covered porch. That's how the houses are built there... ellisonz Mar 2012 #95

Why can't you grasp what a covered ENCLOSED porch is? nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #99

What don't you understand about malice with forethought? n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #106

Because this has nothing to do with this case. You want it to, but it does not. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #107

The hell it doesn't. ellisonz Mar 2012 #108

The fact that he had a gun really burns you up doesn't it? Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #110

"The fact that he had a gun really burns you up doesn't it?" ellisonz Mar 2012 #131

Wait he had a father? Well that changes everything. Please post some more stories where homeowners Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #135

And from the abstract view, withhindsight and evidence krispos42 Mar 2012 #134

Negative. ellisonz Mar 2012 #137

"Judicial review" krispos42 Mar 2012 #149

He can get a public defender for free. ellisonz Mar 2012 #150

Sure, a public defender for free. krispos42 Mar 2012 #152

Mr. Morrison wasn't an angel... ellisonz Mar 2012 #153

Yeah I remember all the times I got drunk in high school...then ran from the cops, then broke into Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #52

Well I hope you never feel "threatened" enough... ellisonz Mar 2012 #59

So if you succesfully defend yourself (not have any harm come to you) it is murder? Kurska Mar 2012 #53

These are the facts. ellisonz Mar 2012 #61

This person broke into this house...why is this hard to understand? Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #65

Under a bullshit law. ellisonz Mar 2012 #67

You think you should have to run in your own house? Are you kidding me? Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #68

I think you have a duty to responsibly employ deadly force. ellisonz Mar 2012 #70

Al Sharpton's will read it and think to himself... Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #72

Actually Ed Schultz is already all over this case... ellisonz Mar 2012 #73

Castle law and stand your ground are two very different things...but you know that. Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #75

Your question should be "Did you ever break into someone's home while fleeing the cops?" JVS Mar 2012 #60

There's more to this story. ellisonz Mar 2012 #63

You want it to be the same, and it's really,really not. Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #69

Yeah it is... ellisonz Mar 2012 #76

I'm sad for his family, but his son should not have broken into a house...he wasn't stalked, he Joe the Revelator Mar 2012 #80

Exactly.. sendero Mar 2012 #109

If you don't like people who break into houses getting shot, Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #85

Do you haved any empathy for the dead young man? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #128

I do have a kind of world-weary empathy for people who get themselves killed by doing stupid things. Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #129

Why not let a jury decide? treestar Mar 2012 #89

That might require the D.A. to bend over... ellisonz Mar 2012 #112

Then the homeowner would have some pretty high legal defense costs. kiva Mar 2012 #113

That's no reason not to charge someone with a crime they may well have committed treestar Mar 2012 #132

But that's the job of the DA's office, kiva Mar 2012 #151

That's how it works in the UK. Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #127

According to this, that doesn't seem to be the case Hippo_Tron Mar 2012 #156

What gets lost in this discussion... Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #123

One where we fear criminals dsc Mar 2012 #125

Listen to what the DA dude says on the video. It's not just Castle Doctrine. slackmaster Mar 2012 #136

Guns provide an illusion of safety. McCamy Taylor Mar 2012 #142

I prefer a pair of cybermen. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #159