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54. "But since Michelle has NEVER been a teacher, what the hell does she know about a classroom"

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Fri Mar 21, 2014, 11:28 PM

Mar 2014

What are you talking about? So according to you, even a mother of school aged children doesn't understand how a classroom works?

Rant off, but education policy is my #1 issue. And this president, his wife and my party have thrown teachers under the bus just as much as Bush and Reagan did. Race to the Top is nothing more than a rebranding of "A Nation At Risk."

And using the Chinese education system as a model for improvement is nonsense. Come to Suzhou, Michelle. Sit down with a few of the teachers at my school. I dare you. I don't expect it. It doesn't fit the preconceived narrative.

It seems as though you are the one building a "narrative." I didn't see anywhere she said or that you even acknowledge that she said that China was a model. She simply stated she was interested in seeing the educational initiatives there and maybe taking some back to the States. You seem to have run with everything else all by yourself.

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I Just Lost My Mind Listening to the Cluelessness of the First Lady in China [View all] Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 OP

Is there a Chinese word for "politics"? Schema Thing Mar 2014 #1

mian zi Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #12

In Japanese, that is "Mentsu" and it means face here too so I guess you are being ironic. Bonobo Mar 2014 #26

I had to look "mentsu" up Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #68

politics 2013 kardonb Mar 2014 #64

Absolutely davidpdx Mar 2014 #113

She's not there to take over China. She's there as a goodwill ambassador. :) Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #2

+1 nt MADem Mar 2014 #6

Exactly, this is not some bollywood celebrity tour ... this is the first lady ... MindMover Mar 2014 #41

+1 treestar Mar 2014 #80

Yup. Even if the OP had said, "Oops! she won't be able to take ideas home, 'cause schools here... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #109

+1 cordelia Mar 2014 #112

My thougts exactly. JNelson6563 Mar 2014 #88

Maybe he forgot that politicians visiting countries get shown the creme de la creme of that country Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #108

Well put davidpdx Mar 2014 #115

i think she was just being nice JI7 Mar 2014 #3

Well, she could NOT say 'I look forward to seeing your shitty schools, take me to the worst ones!' Tx4obama Mar 2014 #4

precisely steve2470 Mar 2014 #10

Why not? That's what a certain crowd on DU expects! Bernie Sander's wife would do just that! KittyWampus Mar 2014 #38

I think you just described my country of origin nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #5

jobs are gotten by interview. promotions by party membership or "who you know and blow." Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #13

Not limited to China nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #14

Classrooms are without internet because schools are afraid the students will learn something not Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #16

In Mexico it's both in rural areas. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #19

Sounds like an American classroom.... n/t DebJ Mar 2014 #7

I was thinking the same thing. (n/t) spin Mar 2014 #137

There's a CAA office in Beijing? villager Mar 2014 #8

Yes. . .there is. But it really doesn't talk to the office in LA that much. Go to their website Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #9

Films are getting financing from China and then they have to be shown to the Chinese cui bono Mar 2014 #32

This is diplomatic-ese, not English. Don't worry about it. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #11

Wow, another misplaced anger post frazzled Mar 2014 #15

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #18

Oh, and now you insult me? frazzled Mar 2014 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #29

I am not even going to dignify that crap with a response. Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #31

I invite DUers to put this through Google Translate frazzled Mar 2014 #44

You had to use Google translate for that can you called me a clueless mei guo ren Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #47

Hello? You were the one who called me a clueless Westerner. frazzled Mar 2014 #49

You are. You don't live here! I DO!!!! Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #50

Wow...you sound just like the teachers you claim to despise with this tripe... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #56

and you do not live here.. SunsetDreams Mar 2014 #74

This is how Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #83

You are w-a-y out of line Sheepshank Mar 2014 #103

You are promoting a fallacy as the basis for your argument. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #129

Yeah, not everyone speaks Chinese but she had the interest to put it through Cha Mar 2014 #58

I remember when I was arrogant enough to think Bonobo Mar 2014 #65

I think he's just angry and unhappy nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #51

He's just "upset," frazzled. You know how it is with some when they're angry Number23 Mar 2014 #55

Google translate says: Ptah Mar 2014 #46

Aren't you afraid that the Chinese spooks are reading your posts, especially Zorra Mar 2014 #17

Not at all. They are more concerned with Weibo, Sinablog, 168 and RenRenWang Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #20

So China is not really anything like the dark, repressive communist dictatorship that Americans Zorra Mar 2014 #22

Nope. . .and it took my moving here to learn it. Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #23

Thanks. Zorra Mar 2014 #48

Jiang Jie Shi was a military dictator. He was known as Generalissmo. Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #52

Correct on all six of the above. You get an A+, teach. nt Zorra Mar 2014 #131

Not the communist bit, I think. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2014 #87

her kids go to elite special xtra clean and well kept schools. she will relate nt msongs Mar 2014 #21

they're also at a slightly higher risk of being kidnapped. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #24

Have you ever heard of the "Secret Service"? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #71

Well, now, to be fair... Mister Ed Mar 2014 #82

Carter sent Amy to public school. former9thward Mar 2014 #132

Quite so. Mister Ed Mar 2014 #133

Point. n/t Smarmie Doofus Mar 2014 #25

Less...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #110

I hardly think she is as clueless as you do. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #28

She's certainly no George W Bush or Mitt Romney who WOULD fall for that crap VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #59

Harvard alums also. GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #138

Jesus! It's called DIPLOMACY, Mr./Ms. PhD candidate. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #30

+1 cui bono Mar 2014 #34

When they use it as part of Race to the Bottom (I mean top) and require more standardized testing Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #36

What the hell does Race to the Bottom Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #40

Why don't you write a letter to Michelle about your first-hand experiences? DebJ Mar 2014 #102

I think writing her a letter is an excellent idea davidpdx Mar 2014 #116

Just curious, are you part of an organized religion? Takket Mar 2014 #33

Chabad house member in Shanghai. Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #37

ok thanks Takket Mar 2014 #42

Are you serious? There's a Chabad over there? Your wife converted. Talk about culture shock. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #53

Not for nothing but just what do you think she does? PeteSelman Mar 2014 #35

Yep, wickerwoman Mar 2014 #39

You mean the fraudulent transcripts and teachers being told that their gradebook doesn't matter Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #43

I seriously doubt Michelle Obama is clueless about any of that. phleshdef Mar 2014 #45

"But since Michelle has NEVER been a teacher, what the hell does she know about a classroom" Number23 Mar 2014 #54

Not to mention spending many years in a classroom herself. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #57

I think so too. This OP is strange and seems to be very angry for reasons I can't figure out Number23 Mar 2014 #60

would you accept that logic in terms of say child medicine dsc Mar 2014 #106

Ummm... don't YOU judge doctors by your experiences with them? Doesn't everyone? Number23 Mar 2014 #123

I don't think she's going to be fooled. progressoid Mar 2014 #61

It is the diplomatic equivalent "of course that outfit doesn't make your bum look fat!" 1monster Mar 2014 #62

She's just playing the game .. a lot of fluff and photo ops .. she's not suppose to be an activist. YOHABLO Mar 2014 #63

Sounds like YOU should be doing something...Michelle is going about it a different way. U live there judesedit Mar 2014 #66

Oh shit, you've done it now!!!! DeSwiss Mar 2014 #67

It's sounds so eerily similar to America. Teaching the masses mountain grammy Mar 2014 #69

That's what it sounds like to me. LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #81

We experience Chinese students here in Australian Universities Buddha2B Mar 2014 #70

International political culture and accepted protocol necessitates that the First Lady is supposed Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #72

I wonder how it would go over in America if the French First Lady attacked American education Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #73

Nailed it nt SunsetDreams Mar 2014 #75

She's been well prepared by the State Dept. wonks who have been shown the same lies. Warpy Mar 2014 #76

lol Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #77

Do you really believe that what she said out front for all ears to hear and all eye to read Wash. state Desk Jet Mar 2014 #78

Why are you so mad at her? I live in Gerald Ford's home town & my Poli Sci class catbyte Mar 2014 #79

Her job is to go on the tours and be friendly, not fact-finding and criticism JVS Mar 2014 #84

Attacking the first lady. Skinner Mar 2014 #85

I wish I could rec this post +1000 times HipChick Mar 2014 #118

The opposite of Ms. Obama you say? Anyone remember this guy? Rex Mar 2014 #121

Pretty Much-do we send all the good will ambassadors to the USA to the worst parts of the US? Johonny Mar 2014 #125

nvm found the answer nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #128

How dare you move the curtain? Brickbat Mar 2014 #86

What is she supposed to do,point and laugh? sufrommich Mar 2014 #89

So you think she can simply go wherever the hell she wants in China? randome Mar 2014 #90

Well, OK... SidDithers Mar 2014 #91

Well, aside from the Puglover Mar 2014 #92

Outrageous!!... SidDithers Mar 2014 #93

At least the first few words in the OP are true. Rex Mar 2014 #120

It's too bad... Nine Mar 2014 #94

Exactly, Nine.. rage and "losing my mind" is more important than a teaching moment. Cha Mar 2014 #97

The outrage engendered by your OP hints at a deeper truth: Smarmie Doofus Mar 2014 #95

I think you lost your mind a long, long time ago... Jeff In Milwaukee Mar 2014 #96

unrec for a completely misdirected rant ( seemingly purpose-built to flame) bobduca Mar 2014 #98

BOOM! You knocked that one out of the park! Rex Mar 2014 #119

Fail #1: Not understanding the workings and constraints of symbolic diplomacy. Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #99

I don't understand betsuni Mar 2014 #100

It's the "appeal to authority" fallacy. eom tarheelsunc Mar 2014 #104

Nothing fails so routinely as condescending to the Obamas BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #101

The outrage seems disporportionate to the severity and reality of Michelle's crime. Sheepshank Mar 2014 #105

Thank you for your insight randr Mar 2014 #107

Well, I Think She isn't "Clueless", but I do appreciate Your Insight fascisthunter Mar 2014 #111

Aw. Iggo Mar 2014 #114

My good friend davidpdx Mar 2014 #117

FLOTUS is a goodwill ambassador, there to see the sights, smile, and spread, y'know, good will Hekate Mar 2014 #122

WE ARE UNDER ATTACK FROM THE RIGHT!!!!!!! mfcorey1 Mar 2014 #124

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #126

you really could have written an excellent and truthful essay about the public schools in China Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #127

It's The Way Of The World... WillyT Mar 2014 #130

I taught English at a normal school in Beijing 30 years ago. geardaddy Mar 2014 #134

Thanks for the insights greatlaurel Mar 2014 #135

Unrec. FSogol Mar 2014 #136

Rec Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #139