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markpkessinger

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Tue Mar 25, 2014, 02:17 AM Mar 2014

Why do we tolerate mega-wealth? [View all]

This is a Facebook Note written by a friend of mine, Frank Dana, that was so good I thought folks here might enjoy reading it.

[font size=4]Why do we tolerate mega-wealth?[/font]
By Frank R. Dana

(I wrote this about a year ago, initially as a comment on someone else's post, then as a status update of my own. In honor of the information I posted today, based on an Oxfam report, that EIGHTY-FIVE people control the same amount of wealth as the lower half of the *world* population, I'm reiterating...)

...Why do we tolerate mega-wealth? — Not mere millionaires, but really obscene, couldn't-possibly-use-it-all accumulations of untold multiple billions of dollars? Your Bill Gateses your Saudi sheiks, your Apple Computers. (And this isn't about Apple's corporate value, but its wealth — some say they could be sitting on as much as $100 billion.) Societally, I mean, why do we accept, admire, even praise the "achievement" of consolidating so much wealth into the control of one entity?

If your small fishing village was experiencing a famine, or if your country had instituted wartime rationing of food, it wouldn't be considered "okay" for some morbidly obese glutton to be stuffing himself to death with food while everyone around him fought not to starve. Even if he obtained the food fairly, heck even if he produced every bite of it himself, it would still be viewed as shameful to be wallowing in such excesses of consumption. It wouldn't have to be illegal, or even "wrong", to be viewed as morally lacking, and most people would take a dim view of someone with such a gluttonous appetite, and so little self-awareness or empathy for the other members of the community. Fatso would get the stink-eye, for sure.

Yet, when someone scrapes together a pile of gold big enough to choke the Nile and shoves it in their basement, we marvel at their achievement and praise their "success", as if what they've accumulated are merely points on a scoreboard, and not actual, fungible resources. (Money, dammit, IS a commodity, if perhaps a uniquely volatile one.) Why do we drool over Apple's $100 billion corporate bank account, and devour breathlessly-written pieces on what a "problem" they have trying to figure out how to spend all that cash, without even raising the question of whether their massive wealth is a good thing? How could it not be, right?

Wouldn't it be appropriate (perhaps even more appropriate) to instead react with something like, "Holy shit, Apple so overprices their products, and/or underpays their employees or suppliers, that they're sitting on $100 billion in CASH from being the peddlers of wildly unnecessary digital toys."? Why would it be wrong to consider their massive wealth and the process by which they achieved it just as gluttonous, shameful, and reprehensible as our theoretical food-hoarder?

Or, take Bill Gates. Now, he's done a lot of really amazing things with his wealth, things which are undeniably praiseworthy. I have absolutely no desire to diminish the incredibly generosity he's demonstrated, with his incredibly vast personal fortune. But, thing is, he didn't HAVE to do that. (Which makes it all the more laudable, of course.) He could just as easily have sat on the entire $70+ billion or whatever it was, or swam around in it like Scrooge McDuck. So, why would we (again, societally) favor people having that option? Why was it even "okay" that he became worth so much to begin with, regardless of what he did or didn't ultimately choose to do with the money? Why are we so unquestioningly worshipful of financial gluttony?
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Why do we tolerate mega-wealth? [View all] markpkessinger Mar 2014 OP
Social conditioning in regards to capitalism and the American identity. go west young man Mar 2014 #1
Tolerate? yeoman6987 Mar 2014 #27
Good point. go west young man Mar 2014 #38
But we didnt' used to "allow" it. The tax rate was very high on the wealthy mountain grammy Mar 2014 #42
I was going to say because of capitalism deeply embedded into American identity, LWolf Mar 2014 #52
I'm the same way.. go west young man Mar 2014 #64
Yes. LWolf Mar 2014 #68
The simple truth is always amazingly elegant. Fridays Child Mar 2014 #2
I should probably check with him on that, but . . . markpkessinger Mar 2014 #4
If you ask him, let us know. Fridays Child Mar 2014 #5
Because enough of us think we'll have that much wealth "someday" to carry it on Recursion Mar 2014 #3
Because freedom, of course... Wounded Bear Mar 2014 #6
It's a good article newdemocrat999 Mar 2014 #7
i guess we are very good at tolerating other people's poverty srican69 Mar 2014 #10
Because command economies go catastrophically wrong. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2014 #8
Seriously? markpkessinger Mar 2014 #15
Sure. It's even called "the Third Way" because of that Recursion Mar 2014 #17
That would seem to be the route . . . markpkessinger Mar 2014 #19
Welcome to the Post-Scarcity Economy Recursion Mar 2014 #20
Show us Third Way links Enthusiast Mar 2014 #21
Sure. Yglesias was the clearest writer on it. Recursion Mar 2014 #22
Try as I might, I could find nothing where Yglesias refers to Third Way. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #29
News flash: actual politicians are as disappointing to third way activists as they are to liberal Recursion Mar 2014 #33
Corporate economics are much more complex than that joeglow3 Mar 2014 #36
Oh, really? Bullshit! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #50
I say this as a CPA who works in the tax department of a Fortune 500 company joeglow3 Mar 2014 #55
BFD. The truth remains the truth. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #56
The truth as you make it up. joeglow3 Mar 2014 #57
US corporate taxes are too low! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #62
You did not answer my questions joeglow3 Mar 2014 #63
I do. He doesn't. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2014 #51
based on Corporate finance 101.. srican69 Mar 2014 #9
Meh. Viable 3D printers are a decade away at most. Recursion Mar 2014 #24
sorry I totally missed your point .. What has 3D printers got to do with anything? unless srican69 Mar 2014 #45
I think we're slowly awakening to how ridiculous it is. reformist2 Mar 2014 #11
k&r n/t RainDog Mar 2014 #12
It's a shell game... ReRe Mar 2014 #13
We have a real large percentage of ass-kissers in our population! dmosh42 Mar 2014 #14
Because we are going to be rich ourselves one day treestar Mar 2014 #16
Part of it is that marions ghost Mar 2014 #18
this. PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #41
Good observation, marion's ghost. (nt) Kurovski Mar 2014 #60
Answer is partly in the thread immediately above this in the Greatest page n2doc Mar 2014 #23
Yeah, why does JK Rowling have to keep writing books? Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #25
Not really the point now, is it? WinkyDink Mar 2014 #28
The subject of the thread is "tolerating mega-wealth". Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #30
Don't bash the insanely rich because they use their tax cuts wisely... Larry Ogg Mar 2014 #26
greed + fig leaf = incredibly persuasive argument unblock Mar 2014 #31
The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us cantbeserious Mar 2014 #32
"viewed as shameful to be wallowing" moondust Mar 2014 #34
Why do you have to use terms like "fatso" joeglow3 Mar 2014 #35
I didn't use it . . . markpkessinger Mar 2014 #37
So, why re-post stuff with such disparaging comments? joeglow3 Mar 2014 #39
Because I think we're all adults here . . . markpkessinger Mar 2014 #48
I don't mind that people get mega wealthy LittleBlue Mar 2014 #40
John Calvin steve2470 Mar 2014 #43
This WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #44
Because we're still dumb enough to equate wealth with virtue... Orsino Mar 2014 #46
that was my point exactly, nailed it nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #67
Oh, and as for Bill Gates... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #47
And, the Bill Gates Foundation is trying to dismantle public education... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #49
Same question in shorter version... Bigmack Mar 2014 #53
I like that. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #54
Can't find a better alternative. One_Life_To_Give Mar 2014 #58
Some wealthy are hoarders. It's a sickness. (Not joking here) Kurovski Mar 2014 #59
Absolutely it is an illness--an addictive illness marions ghost Mar 2014 #61
Thank you! Kurovski Mar 2014 #65
There was this at the end of the article: Kurovski Mar 2014 #66
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