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Recursion

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12. Dan Snyder is more concerned with keeping an offensive mascot than recruiting an offensive line
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:32 AM
Mar 2014

I bring that up because he's shown time and time again that as long as the franchise remains a cash cow, he won't even do basic stuff like competently run a football team, let alone address social concerns about the name. Hell, this is the man who manages to lose money on a water park. How do you manage to do that?

Anyways, I hate to keep beating this dead horse, but a lot of people miss the history of the name. So, a rundown:

In 1932, some investors in Boston got together the money to buy the Newark Tornadoes, a defunct football team. They made a revenue sharing deal with the oldest baseball team in Boston, the Boston Braves, to use their stadium (it's now the soccer field in Boston University's west campus, though I think they may be building a dorm there now). As was the common practice then, they named the football team after the much more popular baseball team (see the New York Giants), in the hopes that baseball could add some visibility to the relatively unknown sport "gridiron foot ball".

In (this is from memory, so I may be off by a few years) 1934, professional racist and vicious scumbag George Preston Marshall -- a man who ended up leaving his fortune in his will to charity in 1970 with the stipulation that it could be used for no causes that involve racial integration -- bought the team. He tried to negotiate a better deal with the baseball Braves, failed, and decided to move the team instead to play with an upstart new baseball franchise in Boston, the "Red Sox" (ironically, named after a black team from Norfolk, VA). Since the "Braves" tie-in didn't make any more sense, but they didn't want to find a new logo, they chose "Redskins". It had nothing to do with a batting coach of alleged Cherokee origin (he wasn't). It had nothing to do with "honoring" anybody. It didn't even have anything intentionally to do with insulting anyone. It was a marketing decision, plain and simple, to tie in with the more established team to help sell merchandising. When the team left for DC in 1936 (and it's pretty well established this was Marshall's plan all along, despite his assurances to the contrary to Boston -- some aspects of professional sports never change), they kept the name (despite the fact that the Senators -- now the Minnesota Twins, not the Senators who are now the Texas Rangers -- were as established a brand as the Red Socks were).

I want to make this clear because proponents of the name seem to keep skipping this fact:

The name "Redskins" was chosen to capitalize on a stadium leasing relationship that has been defunct for almost 80 years at this point. Nothing more.

The name was not chosen as any sort of tie-in with the Dallas Cowboys -- the Dallas franchise wouldn't exist for another 30 years. But if it was changed for marketing reasons once, there's absolutely no reason it shouldn't be changed for marketing reasons again.

Now, personally I'd like to see the team named the Tornadoes again, just for the closure of the thing. Failing that, if we assume the Cowboys-Redskins rivalry has to stay marketable, there's nothing wrong with the Bandits, particularly given the Beltway aspect. For that matter, I always liked the name "DC Bullets" (they're now the much-pitied Washington Wizards of the NBA), but I know that would bother a lot of people. But it would still have a "Cowboys" tie-in.

But for that matter, why should the rivalry be reflected in the names? There's nothing in the names of the Eagles and Giants that makes it a rivalry. There's nothing in the name "Bills" that makes the team its own greatest enemy. Dallas and Washington will still be middling teams of the NFC who will generally fight each other for playoff berths. The rivalry is in the standings, not the names. And while we're on that subject, why should the NFL keep letting that be the biggest rivalry in the game? That sucks a lot of oxygen out of the rest of the NFC, and for that matter the AFC too. If they had more flexibility in promoting grudge matches, the league as a whole would win. But that kind of thinking rarely gets far in the leagues.

Anyways, this is just kind of my stump rant about the team. It's name should change. More and more news organizations should be pressured into referring to them as "Washington's football franchise" (there's motion that way in the Post -- that would be a huge win). Change the name. And then, for God's sake, stop overpaying for quarterbacks and recruit an offensive line to protect the ones you have.

That's a no-brainer. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2014 #1
If the name evokes prowess and courage, I think it's ok. Maedhros Mar 2014 #18
Chomsky has a view: I think the correct one: Whisp Mar 2014 #20
to whom and how? In my tiny home town we were the Sanford Redskins. we were little kids, dionysus Mar 2014 #2
The word "redskins" has always been derogratory... Jeff In Milwaukee Mar 2014 #5
i get it i, i just mean, growing up, we never saw or meant anything malicious by it. it's for the dionysus Mar 2014 #36
I have a guitar... Jeff In Milwaukee Mar 2014 #54
guitar polish. works wonders for sticker goo... dionysus Mar 2014 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author CFLDem Mar 2014 #53
Not sure where you're getting your information... Jeff In Milwaukee Mar 2014 #57
I stand corrected. CFLDem Mar 2014 #60
To the people mounting a campaign to get Snyder to change it? Recursion Mar 2014 #15
I thought we were the Peoples Front of Laconia?? SQUEE Mar 2014 #65
Of course it is, don't be stupid. flvegan Mar 2014 #3
derogatory terms are not "everything" CreekDog Mar 2014 #4
Milk is not "a chimney" flvegan Mar 2014 #6
have your say CreekDog Mar 2014 #7
True, but... pipi_k Mar 2014 #43
ALL human beings have breasts joeglow3 Mar 2014 #52
That's true, but... pipi_k Mar 2014 #58
I cannot imagine how my User Name, for example, could be offensive to anyone. Maedhros Mar 2014 #19
That's an interesting, subjective and unsupported allegation... LanternWaste Mar 2014 #76
Dan Snyder is never going to change the name, unless NFL forces him npk Mar 2014 #8
Well, Snyder is known for making sensible, well-thought-out decisions, right? Recursion Mar 2014 #14
Brownskins Blackskins otohara Mar 2014 #9
Exactly n/t. Feral Child Mar 2014 #32
Offensive? technotwit Mar 2014 #10
Let us think on it and plug in some alternatives in. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #11
There wasn't this hand-wringing when the Bullets became the Wizards Recursion Mar 2014 #13
Nope, some folks just love to dig in and maintain as much nasty offense as possible. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #82
I always wanted a "Fighting Whities" tee shirt.... MADem Mar 2014 #29
Did they have Fighting Whities tighty whities? pintobean Mar 2014 #39
I doubt it, but if they put them on the market, they'd sell out, I'm sure. nt MADem Mar 2014 #42
They could call the practice squad the diapers TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #83
Yup. Shadowflash Mar 2014 #80
Dan Snyder is more concerned with keeping an offensive mascot than recruiting an offensive line Recursion Mar 2014 #12
Cownboys tie-in: The Washington Steers KamaAina Mar 2014 #48
Suppose the name was Washington Rednecks... HooptieWagon Mar 2014 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #17
Just sayin' defacto7 Mar 2014 #21
That didn't sound like what I had heard, so I double checked. Behind the Aegis Mar 2014 #24
I think "Redskins" is offensive, though "Seminoles" is not eridani Mar 2014 #22
What does President Obama think? Aerows Mar 2014 #23
The day is young, but I'll nominate this for best response of 3-26-14. n/t Smarmie Doofus Mar 2014 #33
... bullwinkle428 Mar 2014 #46
Obama has weighed in, I'm surprised you missed it. CreekDog Mar 2014 #50
Oh, okay Aerows Mar 2014 #66
Dan Snyder has already admitted that the name of his NFL team Jenoch Mar 2014 #25
It certainly is to some. bluedigger Mar 2014 #26
. XemaSab Mar 2014 #27
+1 CreekDog Mar 2014 #40
I wish the Indians would do away with Chief Wahoo altogether ok_cpu Mar 2014 #55
Not in the slightest, if they'd only change their LOGO. MADem Mar 2014 #28
16% indian & i am and always was offended. pansypoo53219 Mar 2014 #30
"Redskin" has ALWAYS been derogatory Scootaloo Mar 2014 #31
Apparently, that's not so. Proud Public Servant Mar 2014 #64
Red. Skins. Iggo Mar 2014 #34
To some of course it is. To others it isn't. The dividing line is the question whatthehey Mar 2014 #35
majority of whom needs to be offended? Native Americans? CreekDog Mar 2014 #38
The former would make the most sense whatthehey Mar 2014 #49
I don't need to be NA to be pissed off at deragatory and racist terms for NA. Iggo Mar 2014 #61
I refer you to the first sentence of the post to which you are indirectly responding whatthehey Mar 2014 #63
I'm not saying it's offensive to Indians. I'm saying it's offensive to me. Iggo Mar 2014 #67
Fair enough, but would you not give more credibility to the intended target nonetheless? Why not? whatthehey Mar 2014 #69
Surprised it lasted this long nt treestar Mar 2014 #37
How much pipi_k Mar 2014 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Mar 2014 #44
why don't you do your own work? CreekDog Mar 2014 #45
This isn't something pipi_k Mar 2014 #62
you're more offended at being ASKED if the name is offensive CreekDog Mar 2014 #68
Is that all pipi_k Mar 2014 #72
you are more offended at simply being asked, it's obvious from this and a previous poll/thread CreekDog Mar 2014 #73
Again, being asked pipi_k Mar 2014 #77
You are offended at being asked, it's why you've complained about this poll and the previous one CreekDog Mar 2014 #78
It most certainly is! KamaAina Mar 2014 #47
Unless you're talking about potatoes, it's offensive. Orrex Mar 2014 #51
Yes, not because I find it offensive (my belief doesn't count) rock Mar 2014 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author Proud Public Servant Mar 2014 #59
Quite offensive. Glassunion Mar 2014 #71
I think there are bigger fish to fry. DefenseLawyer Mar 2014 #74
No shit...agree totally... pipi_k Mar 2014 #75
well you think they shouldn't be offended anyway CreekDog Mar 2014 #81
Yes-- it should been changed years ago nt ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #79
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