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Jesus Malverde

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104. I think the point that totally went over your head

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:31 AM

Mar 2014

is that women in the 1950-1995 could dress in a western way and not cause a riot.

You seem to imply that freedom was some kind of cultural imperialism that was imposed by the evil socialist. (I don't get it.)

Regarding the Hijab.

Hijab" or "ḥijāb" (/hɪˈdʒɑːb/, /hɪˈdʒæb/, /ˈhɪ.dʒæb/ or /hɛˈdʒɑːb/; Arabic: حجاب‎, pronounced ) is a veil that covers the head and chest, which is particularly worn by a Muslim female beyond the age of puberty in the presence of adult males outside of their immediate family. It can further refer to any head, face, or body covering worn by Muslim women that conforms to a certain standard of modesty. It not only refers to the physical body covering, but also embodies a metaphysical dimension, where al-hijab refers to "the veil which separates man or the world from God". Hijab can also be used to refer to the seclusion of women from men in the public sphere. Most often, it is worn by Muslim women as a symbol of modesty, privacy and morality. According to the Encyclopedia of Islam and Muslim World, modesty in the Qur'an concerns both men's and women's "gaze, gait, garments, and genitalia." The Quran admonishes Muslim women to dress modestly and cover their breasts and genitals. The Quran has no requirement that women cover their faces with a veil, or cover their bodies with the full-body burqua or chador. Some claim that the Qur'an does not mandate Hijab.

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Shocking reaction to blonde woman caught on video as crowds of men swarm around her at Cairo Univ [View all] Liberal_in_LA Mar 2014 OP

Despicable behavior. So I wonder if these guys consider themselves 'straight', closeupready Mar 2014 #1

It must be a "man up" thing, creepy men trying to feel like manly men, I guess. What a RKP5637 Mar 2014 #116

it is men fearful of the ever changing role of women become independent and free of male control. seabeyond Mar 2014 #119

I'm always appalled that women still have to fight for rights. It's a constant WTF for me that RKP5637 Mar 2014 #121

appalling behavior do not go unnoticed and can be seen for what they are. seabeyond Mar 2014 #123

YUP....and what we are going to experience when Hillary DARES to run for Office VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #153

It will be 2008 doubled and all on her. Jamastiene Mar 2014 #192

You will soon discover that they hate women MUCH more than even minorities.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #193

Oh, I was born, raised, and live in a red state. Jamastiene Mar 2014 #195

Oh its going to be all out war! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #196

Exactly. Do you remember that thread from last month closeupready Mar 2014 #130

Yep, especially your last sentence. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2014 #133

Islam is always a great scapegoat for Western misogynists of any creed... nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #200

just pigs being pigs, nothing new. n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #2

Submission to the hijab is to blame. n/t Loudly Mar 2014 #3

Bullshit. redqueen Mar 2014 #10

also, it's not rare to see women's hair in Egypt JI7 Mar 2014 #15

Also, she's wearing a long, yellow scarf. That isn't her hair. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #53

and Saudi Arabia is not like that DrDan Mar 2014 #95

+1000. closeupready Mar 2014 #32

If that were true, they would be harrassing all the women on campus. Loudly Mar 2014 #38

many women ARE harassed there, just because it wasn't taped and put online JI7 Mar 2014 #61

Are you saying women who wear hijabs don't get harrassed in Egypt? Violet_Crumble Mar 2014 #66

I'm completely comfortable with being more of a feminist than your friend. Loudly Mar 2014 #67

I doubt very much yr more of a feminist than my friend... Violet_Crumble Mar 2014 #69

I got a sense of there being undue influence, at a minimum, from academic articles like this: Loudly Mar 2014 #71

Hah Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #81

I get a sense of there being undue Wikignorance... Violet_Crumble Mar 2014 #86

That's funny.... Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #170

Wow, what a snob. Loudly Mar 2014 #155

Wikipedia Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #173

You obviously have not tried to get an edit accepted at Wikipedia. Loudly Mar 2014 #177

Study: Wikipedia as accurate as Britannica EX500rider Mar 2014 #187

As Bart would say, Dude thanks for that. Loudly Mar 2014 #198

People like Loudly don't beleive Muslim women have minds Scootaloo Mar 2014 #77

Thumbs up Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #82

That doesn't surprise me in the slightest... Violet_Crumble Mar 2014 #87

That's a guy? A guy arguing that he's "more of a feminist' because... why? redqueen Mar 2014 #124

lol, that made me laugh. haha closeupready Mar 2014 #168

well they certainly can't in Cairo... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #156

You can't make the claim Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #80

Yeah, a bizarre post, and incredibly arrogant/presumptuous too. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #202

No, it's because she isn't with a man. Same as street harassment here... redqueen Mar 2014 #70

I'm not sure that's her hair. Boudica the Lyoness Mar 2014 #40

Of course it's a head scarf. Odd that the writer couldn't tell the difference pnwmom Mar 2014 #51

Well, it's the Daily Mail Scootaloo Mar 2014 #85

You're right. It sure says a lot about the DM and its readers. n't pnwmom Mar 2014 #107

Plus, that's NOT her hair! It's a bright headscarf. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #59

K&R! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2014 #118

^^^^ Some People don't get it ^^^^ Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #35

Interesting Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #83

If you read the article it's because of her tight pants. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #84

Bullshit again. This framing is fucked. redqueen Mar 2014 #127

Agreed Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #129

Her clothes nor anything else she was wearing caused it. Jamastiene Mar 2014 #194

Err... Egypt doesn't allow female reporters to wear hijab on TV Recursion Mar 2014 #48

There's been a secular pushback against Islamic usurpation of the Egyptian culture. Loudly Mar 2014 #54

Except... she's wearing a yellow head scarf Recursion Mar 2014 #56

If it is, then it's deceptively chosen to look like a mane of blond hair. Loudly Mar 2014 #57

According to The New York Times, about 90 percent of Egyptian women currently wear a headscarf Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #93

what a load . . . DrDan Mar 2014 #94

Many of the cultures there are very male-dominated quinnox Mar 2014 #4

Not news. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #89

Apparently in Egypt even women dressed very conservatively frequently get harassed. Vattel Mar 2014 #5

In America, too. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #6

Please cut the false equivalence maxsolomon Mar 2014 #31

Pfft. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #36

It is bad here, but it is much worse there. pnwmom Mar 2014 #60

Clueless. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #37

"The occasional wolf whistle" Recursion Mar 2014 #49

As someone who is familiar with that end of the world, you've got several things going on here... MADem Mar 2014 #58

Are you a woman in the United States? liberalhistorian Mar 2014 #64

I didn't know you were a woman. Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #65

You are not a woman are you? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #160

The point is the harassment is that much more extreme in some places pnwmom Mar 2014 #55

Sure it is Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #189

Thank you. Some people seem to think street harassment is no big deal. redqueen Mar 2014 #191

People/men are generally shitty everywhere. Anyone who denies that is either sheltered or blind. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #203

Why, there's no difference at all! Jgarrick Mar 2014 #165

in the US and around the world also , sexual abuse has nothing to do with what women are wearing JI7 Mar 2014 #17

Not to this extreme, but when I went to Europe with 2 blond friends pnwmom Mar 2014 #7

That poor woman Politicalboi Mar 2014 #8

what rape culture? nt TheFrenchRazor Mar 2014 #9

lol Tsiyu Mar 2014 #11

Not for nothing Madam Mossfern Mar 2014 #12

Daily Mailed again! FSogol Mar 2014 #13

What does the Daily Mail have to do with savage sexual assault by these males? seveneyes Mar 2014 #19

So what does help? leftynyc Mar 2014 #14

Did I say anything that comes close to that? Madam Mossfern Mar 2014 #28

Speak out - LOUDLY leftynyc Mar 2014 #76

I don't think you understood what I posted Madam Mossfern Mar 2014 #176

What if our "agenda" is Pro-woman instead... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #161

Hot pink boobs are like a toreador's cape to men siligut Mar 2014 #16

You misspelled 'misogynist assholes' redqueen Mar 2014 #18

Wishful thinking on my part . . . siligut Mar 2014 #20

Thanks to Catharine MacKinnon, it's at least illegal at work. redqueen Mar 2014 #22

I didn't see them grabbing at her, but the article says they did siligut Mar 2014 #23

I'd bet on at least a dismissive eyeroll, redqueen Mar 2014 #24

Yes, a male cop might even fall in line with the rest of the pack siligut Mar 2014 #27

Tailhook was when? maxsolomon Mar 2014 #33

Every time I go into the city of Philadelphia MadrasT Mar 2014 #96

So its all cleared up now? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #162

who said it was cleared up? maxsolomon Mar 2014 #178

well it is hardly what YOU described... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #181

You're still minimizing a persistent cultural issue. Whether you realize it or not. n/t nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #204

Wow, like a pack of animals...is that the first female they've ever encountered? Rex Mar 2014 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author woolldog Mar 2014 #52

I blame the men of DU for this NoOneMan Mar 2014 #25

because no one on DU ever denies Rape Culture..... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #163

At least the one's trivializing and minimizing the issue... LanternWaste Mar 2014 #167

bumpin shoulders with you.... hey dude.... seabeyond Mar 2014 #171

Yeah, it's all such a laugh, ain't it? nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #205

This shit will always be upsetting, but I wish I could say I was shocked. Threedifferentones Mar 2014 #26

Pepper spray, a taser and a platoon of female marines boomer55 Mar 2014 #29

Women report that they are harassed regardless of whether yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #30

+1 freshwest Mar 2014 #75

The madness in Egypt is the result of years of the saudi's exporting their radical islamic Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #34

More bashing of Islam? philosslayer Mar 2014 #39

really? n/t Skip Intro Mar 2014 #45

Not Islam in general. Radical Islamic fundamentalists -- not the same thing. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #62

Are you myopic? WinkyDink Mar 2014 #90

What you see as bashing of Islam, I see as sticking up for women's rights joeglow3 Mar 2014 #126

oh my. lmao. my my my. wow. hm. joeglow, having your support, as a woman, seabeyond Mar 2014 #128

They're only interested in women being empowered to make choices gollygee Mar 2014 #140

exactly. thru out the thread i am getting that feel. and thru out. a man issue... to control and seabeyond Mar 2014 #143

we wimminz get a little uppity and out comes the tits... SI... and other means seabeyond Mar 2014 #145

Because they secretly resent us sexually...they think our bodies give us some VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #166

i see it as THAT conditioned. and separated from their authentic self. which to me, is the ultimate seabeyond Mar 2014 #172

Okay...weak and sad VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #182

I see you are looking for more attention joeglow3 Mar 2014 #212

So why do some people (not necessarily you) only "stick up for women's rights" nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #206

It is easier the more obvious it is. joeglow3 Mar 2014 #213

I bash fundies of all shapes and sizes, you in the right place? snooper2 Mar 2014 #132

Pointing out a problem in some sects of Islam is not bashing MosheFeingold Mar 2014 #148

I am with the previous poster....I bash ALL Fundamentalism... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #180

Wow - n/t rumdude Mar 2014 #43

Afghanistan in the 1960s (photos) rumdude Mar 2014 #44

Thanks for the link Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #74

Something clearly changed. n/t Skip Intro Mar 2014 #46

you are comparing Beach Pics to Protest Pics ? JI7 Mar 2014 #79

Well thanks for asking... lets look at the women of Cairo University over the years.... Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #91

Yes, let's DO look at the pictures of Cairo University over the years. Scootaloo Mar 2014 #97

Strange takeaway. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #99

You really don't know what you're talking about Scootaloo Mar 2014 #100

I think the point that totally went over your head Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #104

And they still can, and do so every day Scootaloo Mar 2014 #109

Now we've moved into some kind of performance art. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #111

Dress code police... In Egypt. Scootaloo Mar 2014 #114

Who the fuck is Pam? From the article... Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #117

Forget it, dude. You won't get a word of condemnation out of him unless you got video of the mob Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #144

Pamela Geller, a far right wing nut who is islamophobic Mosby Mar 2014 #185

thanks...nt Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #197

Aha, thanks Scootaloo Mar 2014 #190

Western democracy isn't always either. Look at Texas or Virginia these days. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #207

This isn't about fucking clothing!!!! redqueen Mar 2014 #135

control and dominance of womens sexuality and is world wide, not just muslim countries. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #136

Totally agree.. it's about culture and conservative religious poison. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #137

wrong. it is a man issue. it is not a conservative, or religion or.... issue. it is a man issue seabeyond Mar 2014 #139

Agreed Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #142

i hear ya. you are rolling me along in thought. as are the ones that only support womens rights if seabeyond Mar 2014 #146

maybe this is what rainn was talking about. people taking away from responsibility of to shift to seabeyond Mar 2014 #141

We have no problem calling out the issue when it's bullying a kid over a My Little Pony backpack. redqueen Mar 2014 #154

they want their excuses. they need them. how many of us lets the little bully have the excuse for seabeyond Mar 2014 #157

the bottom line. why men are sooo fuggin pissed off. i GET it. euraka. lol. why they are so seabeyond Mar 2014 #149

oh oh oh and it is so fuggin important, detrimental for women to allow men their excuses cause seabeyond Mar 2014 #150

What about the female journalists sexually assaulted in Egypt? kwassa Mar 2014 #41

Things like this make one realize how good we have it in 'the West'...n/t rumdude Mar 2014 #42

Makes me realize how far we have to go 'all over the world'. nt redqueen Mar 2014 #68

That's the thing, redqueen. Feral Child Mar 2014 #92

Religion is one of the strongest reinforcers of patriarchal values. redqueen Mar 2014 #125

Agreed. n/t Feral Child Mar 2014 #134

this makes one realize how prevalent this bullshit attitude is and more angry that even in the west seabeyond Mar 2014 #102

It is so much better here... rumdude Mar 2014 #151

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Yeah. Our womenfolk should just shut up and count their blessings. Right? Iggo Mar 2014 #175

What a thoughtful thing to say. bravenak Mar 2014 #183

You literally just threw back in her face her own father in law's fucked-up argument. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #186

Inability to see past one's own nose. A common affliction, unfortunately. n/t nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #209

Some of us are trying, at least. Others don't seem to be trying very hard. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #208

In general, yes, but Arugula Latte Mar 2014 #179

Shame on the men who didn't defend her. flvegan Mar 2014 #47

Since when does wearing a long yellow head scarf makes you a blonde? pnwmom Mar 2014 #50

It took this many posts for this to get asked? I've been sitting here wondering the exact same thing Number23 Mar 2014 #72

Really gollygee Mar 2014 #98

Thank you! Madam Mossfern Mar 2014 #184

Since the Daily Mail needed her to be a blonde for that "extra outrage" Scootaloo Mar 2014 #101

not really. in this thread we have a man telling us how blessed us women should feel living in the seabeyond Mar 2014 #103

I love that argument Scootaloo Mar 2014 #110

You've nailed it in every post in this thread. Thank you. closeupready Mar 2014 #131

You're right -- that's probably it. nt pnwmom Mar 2014 #105

Yeah, I saw the Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #164

I wonder what would Aerows Mar 2014 #63

Wasn't there also an incident in Central Park Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #73

before 9/11 i think, it was one of those news stories which were kind of totally forgotten JI7 Mar 2014 #78

"some people had tried to undress her "?? NO. Some MEN "had tried to undress her." WinkyDink Mar 2014 #88

You have your agenda don't you upaloopa Mar 2014 #106

Women weren't the offenders. Why pretend they were? n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #108

If you hate men that's your life upaloopa Mar 2014 #112

making a truthful statement as opposed to a non truthful statement means winky hates men? one must seabeyond Mar 2014 #113

It's not about hating men. It's about, as you say, being specific. pnwmom Mar 2014 #115

Now you are more specific upaloopa Mar 2014 #122

The word "people" isn't as specific. When wasn't I clear? n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #138

But you don't have an agenda at all, do you? Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #120

Why is saying "people" not hating all people gollygee Mar 2014 #147

Certain types see 'man hating' any time misogyny/patriarchy is discussed. redqueen Mar 2014 #159

For the same reason any person of color who complains about even the most egregious racism nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #210

Conflating accuracy and agenda seems to be your agenda... LanternWaste Mar 2014 #169

Correcting the record? Yeah, some people have that 'agenda'. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #188

That is normal, due to built-in hormones they can't control!~ treestar Mar 2014 #158

so we are told. ALAS, .... i am here to stand with my brothers in an afront to the caricature seabeyond Mar 2014 #174

Said NO ONE on DU ever. nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #201

Heterosexual men on DU scapegoat Islam for misogyny born of patriarchal closeupready Mar 2014 #211

Holy fucking shit. ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #199