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whatthehey

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35. To some of course it is. To others it isn't. The dividing line is the question
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:28 AM
Mar 2014

Notre Dame offends some (usually far-removed) people of Irish descent. Minnesota likewise for usually similar scions of Scandinavia. Does Redskins offend more or less of the eponymous demographic? Hard to say. How many is enough? Only one decent survey done showed vast majority not bothered, but obviously some native groups are indeed offended.

There are a couple of potential approaches, both sensible and both problematic.

1) Go with the majority. Until a decent poll shows 50%+ offended, no reason to change. Democratic and reasonable. Problem there is you offend anything from a few affected people to 49.9% of them.

2) Change if you offend anyone with enough backing to make their complaints known. Sensitive and safe. Problem there is it's nigh impossible to find a name that evokes any emotion that excludes any offense to all. Some even object to animal nicknames.

An analogous point here is in what to call black people in America. The word I just used may offend some. It's obviously false for a start, even for full blood Masai, and the word has negative loading that predates blacks in America and has continued since. But African American offends those who feel no kinship to Africa and abjure implications of divided loyalty, as well as being fuzzy in regard to first generation immigrants from Africa who are not of the same ethnic group. I use it based on siilar polls that showed a plurality if not majority of blacks prefer it. If I use the same standard for the team, I'd have to support the majority who see it as no issue. It's not a word I use myself or would choose myself for a team though.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/08/how-many-native-americans-think-redskins-is-a-slur/

That's a no-brainer. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2014 #1
If the name evokes prowess and courage, I think it's ok. Maedhros Mar 2014 #18
Chomsky has a view: I think the correct one: Whisp Mar 2014 #20
to whom and how? In my tiny home town we were the Sanford Redskins. we were little kids, dionysus Mar 2014 #2
The word "redskins" has always been derogratory... Jeff In Milwaukee Mar 2014 #5
i get it i, i just mean, growing up, we never saw or meant anything malicious by it. it's for the dionysus Mar 2014 #36
I have a guitar... Jeff In Milwaukee Mar 2014 #54
guitar polish. works wonders for sticker goo... dionysus Mar 2014 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author CFLDem Mar 2014 #53
Not sure where you're getting your information... Jeff In Milwaukee Mar 2014 #57
I stand corrected. CFLDem Mar 2014 #60
To the people mounting a campaign to get Snyder to change it? Recursion Mar 2014 #15
I thought we were the Peoples Front of Laconia?? SQUEE Mar 2014 #65
Of course it is, don't be stupid. flvegan Mar 2014 #3
derogatory terms are not "everything" CreekDog Mar 2014 #4
Milk is not "a chimney" flvegan Mar 2014 #6
have your say CreekDog Mar 2014 #7
True, but... pipi_k Mar 2014 #43
ALL human beings have breasts joeglow3 Mar 2014 #52
That's true, but... pipi_k Mar 2014 #58
I cannot imagine how my User Name, for example, could be offensive to anyone. Maedhros Mar 2014 #19
That's an interesting, subjective and unsupported allegation... LanternWaste Mar 2014 #76
Dan Snyder is never going to change the name, unless NFL forces him npk Mar 2014 #8
Well, Snyder is known for making sensible, well-thought-out decisions, right? Recursion Mar 2014 #14
Brownskins Blackskins otohara Mar 2014 #9
Exactly n/t. Feral Child Mar 2014 #32
Offensive? technotwit Mar 2014 #10
Let us think on it and plug in some alternatives in. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #11
There wasn't this hand-wringing when the Bullets became the Wizards Recursion Mar 2014 #13
Nope, some folks just love to dig in and maintain as much nasty offense as possible. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #82
I always wanted a "Fighting Whities" tee shirt.... MADem Mar 2014 #29
Did they have Fighting Whities tighty whities? pintobean Mar 2014 #39
I doubt it, but if they put them on the market, they'd sell out, I'm sure. nt MADem Mar 2014 #42
They could call the practice squad the diapers TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #83
Yup. Shadowflash Mar 2014 #80
Dan Snyder is more concerned with keeping an offensive mascot than recruiting an offensive line Recursion Mar 2014 #12
Cownboys tie-in: The Washington Steers KamaAina Mar 2014 #48
Suppose the name was Washington Rednecks... HooptieWagon Mar 2014 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #17
Just sayin' defacto7 Mar 2014 #21
That didn't sound like what I had heard, so I double checked. Behind the Aegis Mar 2014 #24
I think "Redskins" is offensive, though "Seminoles" is not eridani Mar 2014 #22
What does President Obama think? Aerows Mar 2014 #23
The day is young, but I'll nominate this for best response of 3-26-14. n/t Smarmie Doofus Mar 2014 #33
... bullwinkle428 Mar 2014 #46
Obama has weighed in, I'm surprised you missed it. CreekDog Mar 2014 #50
Oh, okay Aerows Mar 2014 #66
Dan Snyder has already admitted that the name of his NFL team Jenoch Mar 2014 #25
It certainly is to some. bluedigger Mar 2014 #26
. XemaSab Mar 2014 #27
+1 CreekDog Mar 2014 #40
I wish the Indians would do away with Chief Wahoo altogether ok_cpu Mar 2014 #55
Not in the slightest, if they'd only change their LOGO. MADem Mar 2014 #28
16% indian & i am and always was offended. pansypoo53219 Mar 2014 #30
"Redskin" has ALWAYS been derogatory Scootaloo Mar 2014 #31
Apparently, that's not so. Proud Public Servant Mar 2014 #64
Red. Skins. Iggo Mar 2014 #34
To some of course it is. To others it isn't. The dividing line is the question whatthehey Mar 2014 #35
majority of whom needs to be offended? Native Americans? CreekDog Mar 2014 #38
The former would make the most sense whatthehey Mar 2014 #49
I don't need to be NA to be pissed off at deragatory and racist terms for NA. Iggo Mar 2014 #61
I refer you to the first sentence of the post to which you are indirectly responding whatthehey Mar 2014 #63
I'm not saying it's offensive to Indians. I'm saying it's offensive to me. Iggo Mar 2014 #67
Fair enough, but would you not give more credibility to the intended target nonetheless? Why not? whatthehey Mar 2014 #69
Surprised it lasted this long nt treestar Mar 2014 #37
How much pipi_k Mar 2014 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Mar 2014 #44
why don't you do your own work? CreekDog Mar 2014 #45
This isn't something pipi_k Mar 2014 #62
you're more offended at being ASKED if the name is offensive CreekDog Mar 2014 #68
Is that all pipi_k Mar 2014 #72
you are more offended at simply being asked, it's obvious from this and a previous poll/thread CreekDog Mar 2014 #73
Again, being asked pipi_k Mar 2014 #77
You are offended at being asked, it's why you've complained about this poll and the previous one CreekDog Mar 2014 #78
It most certainly is! KamaAina Mar 2014 #47
Unless you're talking about potatoes, it's offensive. Orrex Mar 2014 #51
Yes, not because I find it offensive (my belief doesn't count) rock Mar 2014 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author Proud Public Servant Mar 2014 #59
Quite offensive. Glassunion Mar 2014 #71
I think there are bigger fish to fry. DefenseLawyer Mar 2014 #74
No shit...agree totally... pipi_k Mar 2014 #75
well you think they shouldn't be offended anyway CreekDog Mar 2014 #81
Yes-- it should been changed years ago nt ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #79
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